Ouch - Bickley Eviscerates Keim

[Dback Jon]

Is it not the job of the general manager to plan for the future of the football team?

It is, but back in the BASK days it seemed the board had pretty general consensus that it was a team effort, and BA had a huge influence on draft day, hence "BASK" And BA certainly wasn't fond or wanting to break in a new QB, or plan for the future. Everything in that time from was geared for that season, at the expense of the future.

 

[Solar7]

It is, but back in the BASK days it seemed the board had pretty general consensus that it was a team effort, and BA had a huge influence on draft day, hence "BASK" And BA certainly wasn't fond or wanting to break in a new QB, or plan for the future. Everything in that time from was geared for that season, at the expense of the future.

BA said a million times that he wanted to leave this team with a QB, though.

Honestly, the only decent QB we had a chance to acquire without selling the farm was Dak Prescott. Can't fault them for missing on one guy.

 

[Dback Jon]

BA said a million times that he wanted to leave this team with a QB, though.

Honestly, the only decent QB we had a chance to acquire without selling the farm was Dak Prescott. Can't fault them for missing on one guy.

Cough..Patrick Mahomes..cough

but no, we had to have Hassan Reddick, one of BA's Temple guys

 

[iLLmatiC]

All I know is Keim better start hitting some singles and doubles with his draft picks and signings. This roster is total poo.

 

[Solar7]

Cough..Patrick Mahomes..cough

but no, we had to have Hassan Reddick, one of BA's Temple guys

Mahomes got taken before our pick. Hindsight is 20/20, but do you really think at the time the fan base wouldn't have rioted if we gave up a first rounder to move up just a few spots?

 

[Dback Jon]

Mahomes got taken before our pick. Hindsight is 20/20, but do you really think at the time the fan base wouldn't have rioted if we gave up a first rounder to move up just a few spots?

KC traded up. Switched 1st rounders and a 2018 1st, which was low

I would have been estatic with that

 

[Solar7]

KC traded up. Switched 1st rounders and a 2018 1st, which was low

I would have been estatic with that

In hindsight, I'm sure you would have. So would I. But I loved Mahomes and would have thrown a chair though my TV if we'd given up a first rounder to move up three spots for a guy with a bunch of question marks at the time.

 

[The6]

On the plus side we should be major players in next year's free agency. All that dead money is gone and we will have something like $70m to throw around.

With a new GM to spend it.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

This both funny and sad to me funny because of the way a lot of people were predicting Playoffs or Super Bowl after the offseason sad because the flaws that were so obvious to us longtime watchers of Cardinal football were overlooked by so many

Really?? Please post a link to the crack smoker who predicted a SB for THIS team.

 

[Son of RedRage]

or 6 injury prone offensive lineman.

And a partridge in a pear treeeee!

 

[TheCardFan]

Mahomes got taken before our pick. Hindsight is 20/20, but do you really think at the time the fan base wouldn't have rioted if we gave up a first rounder to move up just a few spots?

Hindsight is 20/20.

It would have been interesting. Arians would have let Mahomes sit for a year and maybe Arians wouldn't have retired. If he did, would we have pulled the trigger on KK last year? Think about where we would be this year with those moves.

 

[PACardsFan]

Mahomes got taken before our pick. Hindsight is 20/20, but do you really think at the time the fan base wouldn't have rioted if we gave up a first rounder to move up just a few spots?

I'm pretty certain that if KC hadn't traded up like 10 spots (maybe more), we were prepared to take Mahomes. I don't think the Cardinals ever saw the Chiefs doing that. Kudos to the Chiefs & Andy Reid. Ballsy move that will probably result in a title or two, or three. Mahomes by himself was very good. Mahomes coupled with Reid is lethal. Love watching the kid play!

 

[Gandhi]

Well if you thought it was doom and gloom in here now.....if the Cardinals lose to Seattle the season is officially over. There's no way this team is going to come back from 4 games down in the division.
It'll be an all time low - knocked out of the playoffs in September.

I could not find any statistic with teams starting 0-2-1, but since 2007 (don’t know why they choose that year) 98 teams has started 0-2. 12 of them has reached the playoffs.

Since 1980 six teams that has started 0-3 has made the playoffs.

I think you can safely assume that the season is already over.

 

[Gandhi]

In hindsight, I'm sure you would have. So would I. But I loved Mahomes and would have thrown a chair though my TV if we'd given up a first rounder to move up three spots for a guy with a bunch of question marks at the time.

Really? I would have wanted them to get either Watson or Mahomes, no hindsight. It was right after the season where Palmer suffered a season ending injury, and we got to see what they had in Drew Stanton, while nobody really knew what was going to happen with Palmer.

I remember being completely bummed out when first the Texans and then the Chiefs traded up in front of the Cards.

 

[PACardsFan]

I could not find any statistic with teams starting 0-2-1, but since 2007 (don’t know why they choose that year) 98 teams has started 0-2. 12 of them has reached the playoffs.

Since 1980 six teams that has started 0-3 has made the playoffs.

I think you can safely assume that the season is already over.

Playoffs? Are we talking playoffs? Where is Jim Mora when we really need him. LOL

 

[PACardsFan]

In hindsight, I'm sure you would have. So would I. But I loved Mahomes and would have thrown a chair though my TV if we'd given up a first rounder to move up three spots for a guy with a bunch of question marks at the time.

I loved Mahomes too, but thought that we could stay put & still nab him. There was no one in front of us that needed him, and he was not your prototypical NFL QB prospect. At TT, he consistently threw off his back foot & that style of football hadn't been exactly embraced at the NFL level. This being said, I would have been fine moving up & losing a 1st rounder in the process. When you have been a diehard fan for 55 years & you've had 1 Cardinal QB in the HoF, then you do what it takes to potentially get one. And Warner was just a short term bandaid.

Can't win SB's without a standout QB. The only "good" years we've had, we had "good" QB's (Charley Johnson, Jim Hart, Neil Lomax, Kurt Warner (I'll give him a "great" label), and Palmer). And Warner & Palmer were short term bandaids. We struck out with Leinart, but so what. You keep drafting "potential great QB's, until you nail one. I hate the Packers & Colts for their fortune in having like 20 years of great QB play. Some on this board dislike my supposedly blind support of K1, but walk in my shoes for 55 years, and you'll better understand.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I could not find any statistic with teams starting 0-2-1, but since 2007 (don’t know why they choose that year) 98 teams has started 0-2. 12 of them has reached the playoffs.

Since 1980 six teams that has started 0-3 has made the playoffs.

I think you can safely assume that the season is already over.

Over in the sense that we shouldn't realistically expect playoffs? Sure, but this year was always about the development of the young players and the team as a whole.

As long as the team is showing progress throughout the season, especially Kyler and Kliff, than this season will have been what it needed to be.

 

[TheCardFan]

I could not find any statistic with teams starting 0-2-1, but since 2007 (don’t know why they choose that year) 98 teams has started 0-2. 12 of them has reached the playoffs.

Since 1980 six teams that has started 0-3 has made the playoffs.

I think you can safely assume that the season is already over.

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[Solar7]

Really? I would have wanted them to get either Watson or Mahomes, no hindsight. It was right after the season where Palmer suffered a season ending injury, and we got to see what they had in Drew Stanton, while nobody really knew what was going to happen with Palmer.

I remember being completely bummed out when first the Texans and then the Chiefs traded up in front of the Cards.

I loved Mahomes too, but thought that we could stay put & still nab him. There was no one in front of us that needed him, and he was not your prototypical NFL QB prospect. At TT, he consistently threw off his back foot & that style of football hadn't been exactly embraced at the NFL level. This being said, I would have been fine moving up & losing a 1st rounder in the process. When you have been a diehard fan for 55 years & you've had 1 Cardinal QB in the HoF, then you do what it takes to potentially get one. And Warner was just a short term bandaid.

Can't win SB's without a standout QB. The only "good" years we've had, we had "good" QB's (Charley Johnson, Jim Hart, Neil Lomax, Kurt Warner (I'll give him a "great" label), and Palmer). And Warner & Palmer were short term bandaids. We struck out with Leinart, but so what. You keep drafting "potential great QB's, until you nail one. I hate the Packers & Colts for their fortune in having like 20 years of great QB play. Some on this board dislike my supposedly blind support of K1, but walk in my shoes for 55 years, and you'll better understand.

I think people are really forgetting or glossing over the general mood at that draft class's QBs because in the present, Watson and Mahomes are really good, with Trubisky at least solid.

Tons of mock drafts, tons of pundits, a very vocal at least half of this board, said that these QBs probably weren't even worth first round picks, or were worth later first round picks, and it would be smarter to wait until the following year when there was a bountiful crop of guys coming out.

A first round pick to move three spots, or one spot, is almost never worth it when talking about unproven players. I know we can look back and all wish we had Mahomes, but remember, this was a team that at least in theory was supposed to contend one last time with Palmer at the helm. Sacrificing our future like that would have sent this board up a wall.

Especially because we would have had no idea that the Chiefs or Texans were offering up what they did. We would have looked like an organization that got fleeced for a QB we all would have thought would still be there at #13. The funny thing is, too, if we move up for one of those guys, I bet Watson or Mahomes don't go before #13, since everyone had us circled on the map as the team that was going to go QB. The Texans only vaulted us because they knew we'd take Watson.

 

[PACardsFan]

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That video just never gets old. Just the picture makes me laugh!

 

[DVontel]

I think people are really forgetting or glossing over the general mood at that draft class's QBs because in the present, Watson and Mahomes are really good, with Trubisky at least solid.

Tons of mock drafts, tons of pundits, a very vocal at least half of this board, said that these QBs probably weren't even worth first round picks, or were worth later first round picks, and it would be smarter to wait until the following year when there was a bountiful crop of guys coming out.

A first round pick to move three spots, or one spot, is almost never worth it when talking about unproven players. I know we can look back and all wish we had Mahomes, but remember, this was a team that at least in theory was supposed to contend one last time with Palmer at the helm. Sacrificing our future like that would have sent this board up a wall.

Especially because we would have had no idea that the Chiefs or Texans were offering up what they did. We would have looked like an organization that got fleeced for a QB we all would have thought would still be there at #13. The funny thing is, too, if we move up for one of those guys, I bet Watson or Mahomes don't go before #13, since everyone had us circled on the map as the team that was going to go QB. The Texans only vaulted us because they knew we'd take Watson.

Trubisky sucks & holds that great supporting cast tremendously. Now you’re going to bring up his stats against awful teams to counter it.

 

[Solar7]

Trubisky sucks & holds that great supporting cast tremendously. Now you’re going to bring up his stats against awful teams to counter it.

Nah, he’s not great by any means. I won’t be stumping for him. But that class as a whole is a lot better than it initially was sold as.

He’s had a couple of good games, and you would hope that with Nagy and what they gave up for him, that you’d get more than that.

Edit: Sorry, I know this ties into the Dalton and Cousins argument, but like we’ve talked about expectations... they produced pretty damn well for the investment of a 2nd and 4th round pick, respectively. Going #2 overall for Trubisky, the expectations have to be a lot higher.

And Cousins has to have higher expectations with that fully guaranteed contract too.

 

[GatorAZ]

I can’t remember my pre-draft take on Mahomes but I loved Watson and hated Trubisky. FWIW Trubisky, like Murray, only started for year (with some scattered starts before his last year in college) really took a big leap in their 2nd NFL season. Mayfield, Mahomes and Watson were the real deal right away but they had multiple seasons starting in college. They were more equipped to handle it right away.

You’d think BA would’ve been much higher on Mahomes than Watson due to size and arm. With Carson on his last leg it’s unforgivable they weren’t more aggressive in a strong QB draft.

 

[Solar7]

I can’t remember my pre-draft take on Mahomes but I loved Watson and hated Trubisky. FWIW Trubisky, like Murray, only started for year (with some scattered starts before his last year in college) really took a big leap in their 2nd NFL season. Mayfield, Mahomes and Watson were the real deal right away but they had multiple seasons starting in college. They were more equipped to handle it right away.

You’d think BA would’ve been much higher on Mahomes than Watson due to size and arm. With Carson on his last leg it’s unforgivable they weren’t more aggressive in a strong QB draft.

Meh. Again, I think we WERE aggressive but couldn’t possibly drop a first round pick to move up three spots. That’s unprecedented in the top 5, much less 10-15.

 

[GatorAZ]

Meh. Again, I think we WERE aggressive but couldn’t possibly drop a first round pick to move up three spots. That’s unprecedented in the top 5, much less 10-15.

Why would it have costed us a 1st to move up three spots? Buffalo would’ve rather moved back 3 spots and taken a 2nd+ rather than moving to #27 and picking up an extra 1st, IMO.

If we were giving up a first we’re jumping 6-7 spots into the top-10.