Pacman Jones Suspended for 1 Season

[Ryanwb]

Really? Your office cares what you do in your office hours? They dictate what you can and can't do once you're off the clock? They can fire you even if you come into work every day on time and perform at an above average level (last season, Pacman Jones was better than all three Cardinals cornerbacks put together)?

To a degree yes.... some companies have drug testing, some companies, like mine, will fire you for a felony conviction even if it didn't occur during your working hours

 

[Mulli]

Really? Your office cares what you do in your office hours? They dictate what you can and can't do once you're off the clock? They can fire you even if you come into work every day on time and perform at an above average level (last season, Pacman Jones was better than all three Cardinals cornerbacks put together)?

Is Pacman a guy that I'd like to put up in my house? Of course not. Does he deserve this punishment? Heck, no. This is a white league trying to send a message to its players that they can't be as black as they wanna be. The NFL is telling its players that the League will not turn into the NBA.

It's a real shame that you get punished harder by the NFL for hanging out with the wrong people on your own time than if you stomp on an unprotected player's noggin in front of 65,000 people.

What?

 

[Gambit]

So what are the odds the headline will read Game Over for PacMan?

At least PacMan didn't get caught with aSteroids

 

[joeshmo]

Really? Your office cares what you do in your office hours? They dictate what you can and can't do once you're off the clock?

They cant dictate what you can or cannot do but it is clearly written in all contracts sign by the players, that to play in the NFL you have to abide by the off field conduct policies, policies a black NFLPA Union Rep agreed to. So in a way the NFL can tell you what you can or cannot do and the players signed off on it.

It is clear in that signed document you must let the NFL league offices know of any arrests or incidents in a timely manner. Jones had over 10 alltercations since being in the NFL and did not report 2 of them last year which is a clear defualt on the contract he signed when he entered the NFL.

And since when is biting a police officer, punching strippers then biting and punching a security gaurd, "being Black". Has nothing to do with being black or white and averything to do with being a piece of crap.

Plus lets not even mention it was the palyers who represent the union who stated after the Vegas altercation they would like to see much more harsh punishment for actions such as this. It is Jones own peers whom most are black that asked the NFL offices to do something much more harsh concerning off field altercations.

 

[Mulli]

My "job" hassled me over cable bills I was late in paying ten years ago.

 

[kerouac9]

To a degree yes.... some companies have drug testing, some companies, like mine, will fire you for a felony conviction even if it didn't occur during your working hours

Right, but Pacman has those same drug screenings (probably way more strenuous and often) and doesn't have a felony conviction. So what has he done that warrants this?

What?

C'mon. People here have been cheering Pacman to fail since he was on camera at the NFL draft with his chains, grill, and pimp cup. You don't hear people complain about the NBA's "image problem"? The NFL isn't stupid. They know that they have the goose that lays the golden egg. They don't really care about quality of play or anything else. They care about marketing. And if you have a league that gets ever more hip-hop with guys like Jones making headlines for not doing anything (remind me again what he did at that club? not his friends, him) except engaging in hip-hop style behavior (NBA-style), the NFL is going to nip that in the bud.

Did Michael Pittman get suspended for even one game for slamming his Escalade into his wife's Beemer? That's not worse than taking $40 grand into a strip club?

 

[Pariah]

This is a white league trying to send a message to its players that they can't be as black as they wanna be.

Are you equating "blackness" with criminal activity?

 

[Zeno]

Really? Your office cares what you do in your office hours? They dictate what you can and can't do once you're off the clock? They can fire you even if you come into work every day on time and perform at an above average level (last season, Pacman Jones was better than all three Cardinals cornerbacks put together)?

Is Pacman a guy that I'd like to put up in my house? Of course not. Does he deserve this punishment? Heck, no. This is a white league trying to send a message to its players that they can't be as black as they wanna be. The NFL is telling its players that the League will not turn into the NBA.

It's a real shame that you get punished harder by the NFL for hanging out with the wrong people on your own time than if you stomp on an unprotected player's noggin in front of 65,000 people.

Actually, in my case yes they can. If I had that many run ins with law enforcement I would be on the street.

Obviously you can probably get away with it when you work for a small business somewhere but I work for the Federal gov't and they'd yank my clearance and fire me in no time. Of course I'd have been warned and or suspended the first time and had there been other incidents they would fire me without hesitation.

 

[abomb]

Wow. That is really good for the league.

 

[40yearfan]

Really? Your office cares what you do in your office hours? They dictate what you can and can't do once you're off the clock? They can fire you even if you come into work every day on time and perform at an above average level (last season, Pacman Jones was better than all three Cardinals cornerbacks put together)?

Is Pacman a guy that I'd like to put up in my house? Of course not. Does he deserve this punishment? Heck, no. This is a white league trying to send a message to its players that they can't be as black as they wanna be. The NFL is telling its players that the League will not turn into the NBA.

It's a real shame that you get punished harder by the NFL for hanging out with the wrong people on your own time than if you stomp on an unprotected player's noggin in front of 65,000 people.

Yeah, you're right K9. We need quotas in the NFL. Since blacks are 12% of the population, I think we should have it that 12% of all NFL players are black. Since we probably have 50% blacks in the NFL right now, we'll tell the 38% who are going to get laid off that it was your idea. Gotta have parity you know.

 

[Mulli]

Poor Adam. Such a victim.

 

[joeshmo]

You don't hear people complain about the NBA's "image problem"?

Um that is exactly what most poeple and the media are talking about. They have been talking about for some time now.

 

[40yearfan]

Right, but Pacman has those same drug screenings (probably way more strenuous and often) and doesn't have a felony conviction. So what has he done that warrants this?



C'mon. People here have been cheering Pacman to fail since he was on camera at the NFL draft with his chains, grill, and pimp cup. You don't hear people complain about the NBA's "image problem"? The NFL isn't stupid. They know that they have the goose that lays the golden egg. They don't really care about quality of play or anything else. They care about marketing. And if you have a league that gets ever more hip-hop with guys like Jones making headlines for not doing anything (remind me again what he did at that club? not his friends, him) except engaging in hip-hop style behavior (NBA-style), the NFL is going to nip that in the bud.

Did Michael Pittman get suspended for even one game for slamming his Escalade into his wife's Beemer? That's not worse than taking $40 grand into a strip club?

He probably got away with it because he's black.

 

[kerouac9]

They cant dictate what you can or cannot do but it is clearly written in all contracts sign by the players, that to play in the NFL you have to abide by the off field conduct policies, policies a black NFLPA Union Rep agreed to. So in a way the NFL can tell you what you can or cannot do and the players signed off on it.

It is clear in that signed document you must let the NFL league offices know of any arrests or incidents in a timely manner. Jones had over 10 alltercations since being in the NFL and did not report 2 of them last year which is a clear defualt on the contract he signed when he entered the NFL.

And since when is biting a police officer, punching strippers then biting and punching a security gaurd, "being Black". Has nothing to do with being black or white and averything to do with being a piece of crap.

Plus lets not even mention it was the palyers who represent the union who stated after the Vegas altercation they would like to see much more harsh punishment for actions such as this. It is Jones own peers whom most are black that asked the NFL offices to do something much more harsh concerning off field altercations.

I really don't have a problem with any of that. I'm saying that what CardNots is saying about him being fired for less than Pacman did is contrafactual unless he works for the FBI or gets elected every two years.

The players union has every right to manage their own. They do a much better job of regulating their members then the NBA union does. They know that the NFL has a great marketing machine running, too. But don't anyone here pretend that Pacman didn't come under the microscope before the Draft happened and that this (2 out of 10) is a nice excuse to drop the hammer on the most Hip-hop player in the NFL.

Stomping a guys dome on the field = 4 games
Biting and punching a security guard in February = 1 season.

This is about sending a message to the other players in the NFL about how they should live their lives off the field. That's fine. But Leonard Little killed someone and nothing happened. He drove drunk again and nothing happened.

For all we know, Jones isn't even in the NFL's substance abuse policy.

 

[joeshmo]

Pittman was suspended for 3 games, and he notified the league offices of the altercation as per the contract he signed.

But that was under a different CBA with different punishments allowed for off field conduct.

 

[Mulli]

If the NFL thinks it needs to do more than it used to, I have no problem with that.

And yes, I am confident I would get fired for doing less than what Pacman did. No question.

 

[kerouac9]

Um that is exactly what most poeple and the media are talking about. They have been talking about for some time now.

I know. It was a rhetorical question. My thesis is that this isn't about not reporting 2 of 10 run-ins with police (have any of those issues advanced to even an indictment, much less a trial or conviction?). This is about drawing a clear line to players that the NFL won't watch itself become the NBA.

I'm fine with that, but people should understand what they're watching and what they're cheering for.

 

[HoodieBets]

Im kind of in agreement with K9 on this one. He has no felony conviction, and if you really want to talk run-ins with the law, shouldnt Ray Lewis have a lifetime ban in the league? Pacman just like Ray was never convicted.

BTW for those that say we dodged a bullet by not drafting him i couldnt laugh more. He has done more in his time with the Titans then Rolle will ever do with the Cards. Pacman has been a much better NFL player than Rolle, and its hard to even question that.

 

[Pariah]

Stomping a guys dome on the field = 4 games
Biting and punching a security guard in February = 1 season.

This is about sending a message to the other players in the NFL about how they should live their lives off the field. That's fine. But Leonard Little killed someone and nothing happened. He drove drunk again and nothing happened.

Couple of things...

1. Don't you think any of Jones' past transgressions were factored into this suspension?

2. Just because something was given a lighter penalty in the past doesn't make it right. There's a new sheriff in town, and it doesn't seem to me that he's going to put up with a lot of BS.

And, in regards to the other issues of private employers firing workers for criminal behavior off the clock--it happens all the time. If I had a wrap-sheet like Pacman's, I'd be out of work, too.

 

[kerouac9]

Are you equating "blackness" with criminal activity?

Remind me again the "criminal activity" that Pacman Jones actually engaged in? That's why my question is. If the guy actually committed a crime, then he should be punished, both legally and by the league. It just seems like the NFL decided that they've had enough of a guy who hangs around with a hip-hop crowd who does seem to attract trouble.

Didn't Sean Taylor actually plead no contest to shooting at people from his car and he was only suspended for four games? Jamal Lewis facilitated a cocaine deal and got four games. What exactly did Pacman Jones do to get suspended for 16? Go on a multi-state killing spree?

 

[Mulli]

Im kind of in agreement with K9 on this one. He has no felony conviction, and if you really want to talk run-ins with the law, shouldnt Ray Lewis have a lifetime ban in the league? Pacman just like Ray was never convicted.

BTW for those that say we dodged a bullet by not drafting him i couldnt laugh more. He has done more in his time with the Titans then Rolle will ever do with the Cards. Pacman has been a much better NFL player than Rolle, and its hard to even question that.

No argument regarding the on field play so far. I can think of at least one other reason why I still prefer Rolle.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ghosts of the past caught up to him.

brilliant!

 

[Pariah]

Remind me again the "criminal activity" that Pacman Jones actually engaged in?

Here's one article that calls out some...

Club co-owner: Pacman knew shooter

Surveillance video shows Jones slamming stripper's head against stage, fighting with guard

Associated Press


LAS VEGAS -- The co-owner of the strip club where three people were shot over the NBA All-Star weekend says pro football player Adam "Pacman" Jones came and left with the shooter, an account that differs from that of Jones' lawyer.

"He denied any knowledge of the shooter, but he was sitting right next to him," club co-owner Robert Susnar told the Las Vegas Review-Journal for Wednesday's edition. "Those guys came in together and left together."

Jones' lawyer, Worrick Robinson, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Jones did not know anyone involved in the shooting and was interviewed by local authorities as a witness, not as a suspect. Police have not said Jones is a person of interest in the case.

Susnar said his recollection of the events was based upon his interviews with employees and club surveillance video.

He said the trouble started after 4 a.m., when Jones and his entourage of a half-dozen people returned to the club for the second time that evening.

Jones tossed hundreds of $1 bills on the stripper stage, Susnar said, adding that when a dancer started grabbing the money without Jones' permission, he got angry, grabbed her hair and slammed her head against the stage.

Security guard Aaron Cudworth, a mixed-martial artist with professional fighting experience, intervened and scuffled with Jones and members of his entourage, he said.

Jones then threatened to kill the guard, Susnar said.

Order was eventually restored and everyone moved outside before the gunman opened fire toward the front door of the club, hitting Cudworth, security guard Tom Urbanski and a female customer, he said.

"He goes out, retrieves a gun, then shoots two security guards, pretty much making good on the threat made by Pacman Jones," Susnar said.

Robinson told the paper that the entertainers began throwing cash into the air, sparking a fight among women on and off the stage as they scrambled for the money. He said Jones was attacked when he tried to get his own money back. "Mr. Jones didn't assault anybody," Robinson said.

Robinson and Susnar did not immediately respond to messages left by The Associated Press Wednesday.

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Cudworth, who was shot in the chest and arm, was released from University Medical Center on Tuesday. Urbanski, 43, remained at the hospital in critical condition. He was expected to live, but a bullet severed his spine and paralyzed him below the waist, his father told the paper.

"He's going to be paralyzed for life, and what did he do?" Don Urbanski said. "I just want somebody to pay for it."

Jones has faced criminal charges three times since the Tennessee Titans made the cornerback the sixth overall pick in the 2005 draft -- all involving incidents at nightclubs in Tennessee

 

[Dback Jon]

Im kind of in agreement with K9 on this one. He has no felony conviction, and if you really want to talk run-ins with the law, shouldnt Ray Lewis have a lifetime ban in the league? Pacman just like Ray was never convicted.

BTW for those that say we dodged a bullet by not drafting him i couldnt laugh more. He has done more in his time with the Titans then Rolle will ever do with the Cards. Pacman has been a much better NFL player than Rolle, and its hard to even question that.

We did dodge a bullet. That doesn't make Rolle a pro-bowler or anything, it is just that ANY NFL team is better off without Jones. He may have done some good things on the field, but has done many bad things on the field, not too mention the cancer that he is in the lockerroom.

Whether Jones is a Better player than Rolle is irrelevant. Pac Man is bad news.

 

[Pariah]

And here's the first page that come up when you google "Pacman Jones Criminal History"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1690889/posts