Pacman Jones Suspended for 1 Season

[kerouac9]

And, in regards to the other issues of private employers firing workers for criminal behavior off the clock--it happens all the time. If I had a wrap-sheet like Pacman's, I'd be out of work, too.

Read me Pacman's rap sheet. He's gotten pulled over a couple times. Has he ever actually been arrested, or was he simply on the scene? Would you really get fired if a girl sued you for spitting at her in a club? Really?

If he actually engaged in criminal behavior off the clock, that would be one thing. But from all the facts as I understand them, he's basically been accused multiple times of hanging out with a bad crowd.

That's certainly reason for public oppobrium, but not a reason to deprive someone of their livelihood for a year. I think that part of the reason that people get so up in arms about Pacman is that he doesn't really seem to care what the average NFL fan (rich, white) cares about anything he says or does, and that drives people crazy.

 

[Pariah]

Pacman Jones Criminal RecordMarch 2

Adam ‘Pacman’ Jones is the poster child for everything that is wrong with the NFL. NFL teams continue to draft thugs and convicts without regarding for their moral character or criminal record. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is considering a proposal where NFL players will be kicked out of the league after three strikes.
Here is a rap sheet look at all of Pacman’s brushes with the law since joining the NFL’s Tennessee Titans:

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July 13, 2005- Arrested and charged with assault and felony vandalism after a nightclub altercation. This began Pacman Jones NFL rap sheet. He already had a lengthy one from high school and college.
September 5, 2005- Adam was invited to attend the Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. Jones went off on a verbal tirade while being told to wait for his car after the event. He then refused to tip the valet service.
October 2005- State of West Virginia filed a petition stating that Jones had not been contacting his probation officer and that he had not reported his July 2005 arrest. The judge extended the probation for just 90 days.
March 23, 2006- Charged with marijuana possession in Fayetteville, Georgia. He went on to claim that he knew how to beat the NFL’s drug test.
August 25, 2006- Arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after being ordered by the cops to leave a Murfreesboro night club several times. Jones claimed a woman stole his wallet. The woman claimed that Jones spat on her. The judge in the case gave Pacman six months probation and told him to stay away from the club.
October 26, 2006- Jones was issued a citation for misdemeanor assault after a female student from Tennessee State University claimed that Jones spit in her face at a Nashville night club.
Feburary 19, 2007- The facts are disputed and no charges have been made yet, but Jones was in the middle of a fight and shooting at a strip club in Las Vegas that left one man paralyzed and two more wounded. The fight broke out after Jones showered strippers on stage with $81,000 dollars. The club owner claims Jones was beating a strippers head against the bar while claiming to kill one of the club’s employees.
The above time line doesn’t include his sentence of one year in prison for a bar fight in Morgantown, West Virginia while in college. The sentence was later suspended in exchange for two years of probation (because he is a really good football player).
Here is a look at the options the Tennessee Titans have if they decide to cut Pacman Jones. He doesn’t only need to be cut, but Jones needs to serve some time. He has been given preferential treatment his entire life because he is good at playing football.

 

[Mulli]

And here's the first page that come up when you google "Pacman Jones Criminal History"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1690889/posts

Looks like criminal behavior to me. Not many non-criminals have probation officers.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

K9, you may have had an point, until you threw race into the mix. Your post lost all credibility at that point.

 

[Dback Jon]

Read me Pacman's rap sheet. He's gotten pulled over a couple times. Has he ever actually been arrested, or was he simply on the scene? Would you really get fired if a girl sued you for spitting at her in a club? Really?

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Dude, you are so ignorant it is not funny.

He has been arrested MULTIPLE TIMES. I should know - I read about him/listened to it in Nashville every day.

 

[Pariah]

If he actually engaged in criminal behavior off the clock, that would be one thing. But from all the facts as I understand them, he's basically been accused multiple times of hanging out with a bad crowd.

Believe what you want.

I think it's hilarious the way you viciously attack players you don't like and defend the ones you do to the death. ...and then turn around and point fingers at the rest of the board for doing the same thing with different players.

 

[joeshmo]

he's basically been accused multiple times of hanging out with a bad crowd.

If you are hanging out with a bad crowd. Guess what you are the bad crowd.

 

[kerouac9]

And here's the first page that come up when you google "Pacman Jones Criminal History"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1690889/posts

Did you read it? He had a suspended sentence for a college bar fight, and once had his probation extended for 90 days because he missed a call to a probation officer. Here are some of his other "offenses" according to Free Republic, which is one of the most loathsome right-wing sources in the country:

later that evening Jones was counseled for a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening.

Man, what a thug...

Adam "Pacman" Jones was at Club Blaze in Conley, Ga., around 3 a.m. ET on April 27 when officers responded to a fight involving two women. Andrea Akins, a supervisor at the club, told police she was punched in the mouth by a woman who was with Jones.

Lock him up!

Nine people were arrested on suspicion of having roles in two major drug rings that trafficked cocaine and marijuana in Sumner and Davidson counties, including a Nashville man with possible ties to Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, authorities said yesterday.

Man, "possible ties"? That's enough for me. 40yr, get your hangin' rope.

8/23/06: Jones was also accused of simple assault by Toya Garth, who said Jones spit in her face. Garth said Jones "got very close to her and spit in her face, and which point she stated she spit back in his face,'' according to statement taken by police.

Well, then, this ties it. Forget a one-year suspension. This guy deserves the needle.

 

[kerouac9]

If you are hanging out with a bad crowd. Guess what you are the bad crowd.

I agree. I wouldn't run with his crowd. If him and his posse showed up at a club where I was, I'd leave. He's been arrested multiple times. I don't even dispute that. But none of those cases have actually gone to court since he was in college. I just think that until you actually do something, you shouldn't have to be suspended.

 

[Heucrazy]

Damn you--shaking fist--I have been wanting to used that banned sign for like a week now.

 

[joeshmo]

Looks like criminal behavior to me. Not many non-criminals have probation officers.

Its just one of his bad crowd peeps.

I dont know how that rap sheet can be disputed. I mean hello he has a probation officer. And no wonder people looked at him in a bad light the day of the draft, they already thought that of him in that light before the draft even happened. He had issues going all the way back to high school.

 

[jefftheshark]

Read me Pacman's rap sheet. He's gotten pulled over a couple times. Has he ever actually been arrested, or was he simply on the scene? Would you really get fired if a girl sued you for spitting at her in a club? Really?

If he actually engaged in criminal behavior off the clock, that would be one thing. But from all the facts as I understand them, he's basically been accused multiple times of hanging out with a bad crowd.

That's certainly reason for public oppobrium, but not a reason to deprive someone of their livelihood for a year. I think that part of the reason that people get so up in arms about Pacman is that he doesn't really seem to care what the average NFL fan (rich, white) cares about anything he says or does, and that drives people crazy.

The NFL is within their rights to protect their image, because 100% of their value is a product of how they are perceived by the public.

If Pacman feels that he has been treated unfairly, he has remedies in civil court.

The Shark

 

[Russ Smith]

Remind me again the "criminal activity" that Pacman Jones actually engaged in? That's why my question is. If the guy actually committed a crime, then he should be punished, both legally and by the league. It just seems like the NFL decided that they've had enough of a guy who hangs around with a hip-hop crowd who does seem to attract trouble.

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That's impossible to answer since there is no Pacman Jones, his name is Adam.

That's like asking how many NCAA titles Kareem won, the correct answer is zero since his name was Lew Alcindor.

The reality is his contract has the same clauses in it that everyone else in the NFL has about personal conduct and apparently about informing the NFL when you're arrested or charged with something, he violated that contract repeatedly, and they're going to suspend him over it.

Is the NFL out to get him, of course they are, he's acted like a thug since he got drafted, it's bad for the NFL's corporate image, fans are sick of people like him, and the Bengals players, and they're making an example out of him.

It has nothing to do with him being black. When the NFL found out Art Schlichter was betting on NFL games(not his own) they banned him because it was terrible for the image of the game.

Jones' conduct isn't as bad, he's not creating a situation where fans might question whether the outcome of games is legit or not, but he is absolutely contributing to the negative image of NFL players and the NFL is tired of hearing they're a league of criminals.

Drug dealers get caught for tax evasion, Jones got caught for not reporting arrests, that's why they create rules like that, so they have enforcement with more bite.

 

[kerouac9]

Funny how no one ever posts these stories:

Judge dismisses assault charge against Titans cornerback
Associated Press
National Football League News Wire

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- An assault charge against Titans
cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones was dropped Thursday because a
judge ruled there were too many inconsistencies in the testimony of
a woman who claimed Jones spit on her at a Nashville night club.

Jones was accused of spitting in a woman's face after an
argument at Club Mystic on Oct. 26.

Judge John Aaron Holt said Krystal Webb gave inconsistent
testimony about when she noticed there was spit in her hair and
wiped it off, and about when she knew Jones' identity.

The judge told Webb that she could still pursue the case in a
civil lawsuit. Webb and her lawyer declined to speak to reporters
after the ruling.

"She'll have a real hard time winning the civil suit if she
didn't win this case right here," said Jones, who hadn't spoken to
reporters since October. "For the most part, she asked me for
$50,000. I wasn't going to give $50,000."

Jones wasn't allowed to play in one game Nov. 5 as punishment
for the incident, and the NFL fined him $100,000. But Jones said he
hopes to get that money back now that the charge has been
dismissed.

After the ruling, Jones said he needs to protect himself from
people who are trying to get money from him.

"I'm just happy it's over with and the truth always comes to
the end," he said. "Everybody wants something out of my
situation."

Jones was also charged with public intoxication and disorderly
conduct last August when he got into an argument with a woman at a
night club in Murfreesboro. Those charges will be dismissed if he
stays out of trouble for six months.

"I really have to watch where I go," he said. "Maybe I'll
chill out at a jazz bar somewhere with some older folks."

 

[Russ Smith]

Funny how no one ever posts these stories:

Read the last line of that story and ask yourself is Jones followed his own advice?

He dug his own grave here IMHO.

 

[Heucrazy]

I agree. I wouldn't run with his crowd. If him and his posse showed up at a club where I was, I'd leave. He's been arrested multiple times. I don't even dispute that. But none of those cases have actually gone to court since he was in college. I just think that until you actually do something, you shouldn't have to be suspended.

Like biting a cop? And then not telling the NFL about it.

I don't know about you, but assulting a police officer is a pretty big deal to me.

 

[jefftheshark]

K9, no one here has said there is enough evidence to convict Adams in a court of law. They are saying that there is enough evidence to warrant a suspension.

Adams can then file a grievance, and (perhaps) get some relief. If he doesn't like this outcome, he can always take it to a higher court.

To sum it up:

1) The NFL has a right to protect its image.

2) Pacman has the right to protect his income.

How is this unfair?

The Shark

 

[joeshmo]

After the ruling, Jones said he needs to protect himself from
people who are trying to get money from him.

You mean like throwing $80,000 at strippers. Well I guess he didnt lie, he did defend that money against the stripper.

The guy does it to himself.

 

[kerouac9]

Russ is easy to forgive Marshawn Lynch when he's let off on a technicality.

Duckjake is easy to forgive Cedric Benson when he has three encounters with authority at Texas.

Pacman was stupid, but he in no way deserves this kind of penalty. It not proportional to the "crime", of which there hasn't been any. The next time an NFL player actually gets in trouble for doing something, then he better be suspended for his career. Because Pacman's getting punished for running with a bad crowd.

 

[kerouac9]

How is this unfair?

I actually don't think it's unfair. I object to people piling on and obviously assuming that he did something (and it couldn't possibly be because of that image of him with the pimp cup looking like Lil' Jon on draft day or anything) when his worst crime has been getting in a bar fight four years ago.

I agree that the NFL is trying to protect it's image. But this isn't just this. This is about sending a message to all the other players in the league that a public, hip-hop lifestyle is unacceptable for NFL players. I personally don't think that's right.

 

[Heucrazy]

Russ is easy to forgive Marshawn Lynch when he's let off on a technicality.

Duckjake is easy to forgive Cedric Benson when he has three encounters with authority at Texas.

Pacman was stupid, but he in no way deserves this kind of penalty. It not proportional to the "crime", of which there hasn't been any. The next time an NFL player actually gets in trouble for doing something, then he better be suspended for his career. Because Pacman's getting punished for running with a bad crowd.

HE BIT A COP!!!!!!!

 

[lobo]

Funny how no one ever posts these stories:

Thanks for clearing this issue up for me. I feel better, now you can find the other 9/10 other collars and post those.

 

[joeshmo]

Russ is easy to forgive Marshawn Lynch when he's let off on a technicality.

Duckjake is easy to forgive Cedric Benson when he has three encounters with authority at Texas.

One hasnt signed a NFL conduct policy and another hasnt done anything against the NFL conduct policy he signed.

And neither has a probation officer or a rap sheet nearly as long as Jones. And neither one hasnt been already suspended once already for violating the policy.

 

[Pariah]

This is about sending a message to all the other players in the league that a public, hip-hop lifestyle is unacceptable for NFL players.

Do tell. What's a hip-hop lifestyle? Getting arrested over and over again?

 

[Brian]

I actually don't think it's unfair. I object to people piling on and obviously assuming that he did something (and it couldn't possibly be because of that image of him with the pimp cup looking like Lil' Jon on draft day or anything) when his worst crime has been getting in a bar fight four years ago.

I agree that the NFL is trying to protect it's image. But this isn't just this. This is about sending a message to all the other players in the league that a public, hip-hop lifestyle is unacceptable for NFL players. I personally don't think that's right.

Can you please define in your words what exactly constitutes a "hip-hop lifestyle".