Pacman Jones Suspended for 1 Season

[joeshmo]

I actually don't think it's unfair. I object to people piling on and obviously assuming that he did something (and it couldn't possibly be because of that image of him with the pimp cup looking like Lil' Jon on draft day or anything) when his worst crime has been getting in a bar fight four years ago.

Difference between then and now. Better Lawyers.

Also people had an impression of him far before that draft day.

I agree that the NFL is trying to protect it's image. But this isn't just this. This is about sending a message to all the other players in the league that a public, hip-hop lifestyle is unacceptable for NFL players. I personally don't think that's right.

Why do you keep calling it the hip-hop lifestyle. That is not the hip-hop lifestyle. Thats the thug lifestyle. I mean I dont even think Lil John has the rap sheet Jones does.

 

[kerouac9]

HE BIT A COP!!!!!!!

Are you talking about this story?

According to Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard, Jones bit Fayetteville Police Officer Greg Gross on the thumb after a scuffle over Jones resisting arrest in the February incident.

The two misdemeanor charges stem from Jones "snatching his arm away from the officer trying to arrest him, and not stopping when police told him to," said Ballard.

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According to reports from the Fayetteville Police Department, the February arrests allegedly stemmed from an incident when officers approached a parked car in the Argonne Forest subdivision where Jones, Lewis Kuffuor and a pregnant woman named Zeleria Johnson, whom police described as "Jones' girlfriend," were sitting.

Police were doing surveillance work because of burglaries in the area, reports indicated.

Officers say they questioned Jones and the others and apparently asked them to leave the area. Instead, they went inside to a house, police said.
The police report states the officers then attempted to arrest Jones and Kuffuor, and a scuffle with the cornerback ensued.

Imagine a couple cops stopping a black guy in a Bentley.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ is easy to forgive Marshawn Lynch when he's let off on a technicality.

Duckjake is easy to forgive Cedric Benson when he has three encounters with authority at Texas.

Pacman was stupid, but he in no way deserves this kind of penalty. It not proportional to the "crime", of which there hasn't been any. The next time an NFL player actually gets in trouble for doing something, then he better be suspended for his career. Because Pacman's getting punished for running with a bad crowd.

If Marshawn Lynch had 10 different runins with the law I wouldn't be defending him. And it wasn't a technicality, the woman failed to report the crime for so long that if there was a crime, there was no longer any physical evidence to prove it. The only eyewitneses, said Lynch did nothing wrong. She said they were his childhood friends and maybe she's telling the truth, but she screwed herself by waiting to report it. The DA said she contradicted herself so many times in her statements that they couldn't pursue the case. Maybe she was just scared or confused, but that's why she should have come forward right away when it was fresh in her mind.

Lynch is a classic example of what Jones is going through. Lynch goes back ot his old highschool for his sisters graduation and his car gets shot up. Like Jones he comes from a bad neighborhood. Hopefully unlike Jones, he'll be smart enough to stop hanging around with people that are going to get him into trouble. If he does the same nonsense Jones does, I'll be right here blasting him for it.

it's not that hard to find other NFL players who have made similar mistakes, but try finding any who have done it half as many times as Jones has, in 2 years.

 

[joeshmo]

Are you talking about this story?



Imagine a couple cops stopping a black guy in a Bentley.

Wow well that just proves the point. So he did do it but he did it because he was racially profiled. Cops shouldnt have been there in the first place so Jones fighting the cops isnt valid anymore.

He must have been blaring some hip hop music that made them suspicious.

 

[Heucrazy]

Are you talking about this story?



Imagine a couple cops stopping a black guy in a Bentley.

Yeah that's exactly the story I'm talking about. He resisted arrest and bit a cop.

But of course it's the cops fault for doing their job because Pacman is Black.


Oh and you also left out the part where they found pot residue in his car. A clear violation of the leagues substance abuse policy.

 

[kerouac9]

Why do you keep calling it the hip-hop lifestyle. That is not the hip-hop lifestyle. Thats the thug lifestyle. I mean I dont even think Lil John has the rap sheet Jones does.

Thug lifestyle = drive-bys, selling crack, maybe pimping, intimidating witnesses, etc.

Hip-hop lifestyle = maybe doing drugs, frequenting strip clubs, hanging out not doing much, going to clubs, etc.

The thug liftstyle is a subset of the hip-hop lifestyle, but that's not what Pacman is doing. He's maybe running with a thug crowd, but you don't see him carrying a gun (like Sean Taylor and a ton of other NFL players have done).

heucrazy, I hope that you came down as hard on Antrel Rolle. He was charged with felony battery.

 

[Brian]

Thug lifestyle = drive-bys, selling crack, maybe pimping, intimidating witnesses, etc.

Hip-hop lifestyle = maybe doing drugs, frequenting strip clubs, hanging out not doing much, going to clubs, etc.

The thug liftstyle is a subset of the hip-hop lifestyle, but that's not what Pacman is doing. He's maybe running with a thug crowd, but you don't see him carrying a gun (like Sean Taylor and a ton of other NFL players have done).

heucrazy, I hope that you came down as hard on Antrel Rolle. He was charged with felony battery.

As defined by a white guy. The subject matter expert.

Hilarious!

 

[joeshmo]

The thug liftstyle is a subset of the hip-hop lifestyle, but that's not what Pacman is doing. He's maybe running with a thug crowd, but you don't see him carrying a gun (like Sean Taylor and a ton of other NFL players have done).

Once again. If your hanging with the thug crowd guess what you are the thug crowd.

 

[Heucrazy]

Thug lifestyle = drive-bys, selling crack, maybe pimping, intimidating witnesses, etc.

Hip-hop lifestyle = maybe doing drugs, frequenting strip clubs, hanging out not doing much, going to clubs, etc.

The thug liftstyle is a subset of the hip-hop lifestyle, but that's not what Pacman is doing. He's maybe running with a thug crowd, but you don't see him carrying a gun (like Sean Taylor and a ton of other NFL players have done).

heucrazy, I hope that you came down as hard on Antrel Rolle. He was charged with felony battery.

Antrel Rolle

Incident: The cornerback is arrested July 11, 2004 and charged with battery on a police officer — a felony — and two misdemeanors after an early morning incident in Coconut Grove.

Consequences: Rolle is suspended indefinitely from the team.

Aftermath: A state prosecutor decides not to file charges, saying evidence does not support "a likelihood of proving this case beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury." Rolle immediately is reinstated to the team.

Do you mean the instance when he was suspened indefenitly from the team? And was only reinstated after the charges were dropped?

Not suspended for a year, but INDEFINITELY. And only after 1 incident.

 

[kerouac9]

As defined by a white guy. The subject matter expert.

Hilarious!

I'm not saying those are the only things, of course. Obviously, when hip hop was formed it was four elements: bboying, emceeing, graffiti, and turntables. It's evolved since then, and it can be any number of things.

Are you saying that only people of color can define hip hop? WTF is that?

 

[joeshmo]

Do you mean the instance when he was suspened indefenitly from the team? And was only reinstated after the charges were dropped?

Not suspended for a year, but INDEFINITELY. And only after 1 incident.

 

[kerouac9]

Do you mean the instance when he was suspened indefenitly from the team? And was only reinstated after the charges were dropped?

Not suspended for a year, but INDEFINITELY. And only after 1 incident.

You can't actually be serious about that, can you? He was arrested in July '04. How many games did he play in for Miami the next season? Oh. All of them.

 

[Brian]

I'm not saying those are the only things, of course. Obviously, when hip hop was formed it was four elements: bboying, emceeing, graffiti, and turntables. It's evolved since then, and it can be any number of things.

Are you saying that only people of color can define hip hop? WTF is that?

I understand now. Roger Goodell and the NFLPA are going to suspend Pacman for bboying and emceeing. He should have known better.

And no, I wasn't saying that. You pulled the race card. Not me.

Don't bother replying to this. I'm done with it.

You support the players you like (Vick, Jones) and bash those you don't (Boldin). I'm not going to change your mind, but it should be obvious you stand alone on an island on this one. The NFLPA doesn't even agree with you.

 

[Gee!]

But this isn't just this. This is about sending a message to all the other players in the league that a public, hip-hop lifestyle is unacceptable for NFL players. I personally don't think that's right.

I think you better recheck what a "hip-hop" lifestyle is..

 

[Heucrazy]

You can't actually be serious about that, can you? He was arrested in July '04. How many games did he play in for Miami the next season? Oh. All of them.

That's becuase the charges of his 1 incident were dropped.

How many incidents did it take for Pacman to get suspended? 10 and the only reason he's not playing next year is because he violated his contract by not reporting two arrests.

Harley has opened my eyes about you. You rag on Boldin (doesn't drink and a family man) but support Pacman (10 incidents and assults a cop) and Ron Mexico (knowingly gives girls herpes rather than wear a condom)?

Shame on you


No wonder you're such a Big lover and a Wells hater. You route for the arrogant guys with a sense of entitlement and rag on the guys who work hard and grind it out.

 

[Gee!]

Thug lifestyle = drive-bys, selling crack, maybe pimping, intimidating witnesses, etc.

Ok so him on phone taps talking with drug dealers doesnt involve pac man?

Hip-hop lifestyle = maybe doing drugs, frequenting strip clubs, hanging out not doing much, going to clubs, etc.

Hip hop is breakin, mcing, dj'ing and graffitti.. Thats how hip hop started out and is the basis for hip hop..

 

[BACH]

Remind me again the "criminal activity" that Pacman Jones actually engaged in? That's why my question is. If the guy actually committed a crime, then he should be punished, both legally and by the league. It just seems like the NFL decided that they've had enough of a guy who hangs around with a hip-hop crowd who does seem to attract trouble.

Didn't Sean Taylor actually plead no contest to shooting at people from his car and he was only suspended for four games? Jamal Lewis facilitated a cocaine deal and got four games. What exactly did Pacman Jones do to get suspended for 16? Go on a multi-state killing spree?

I think you're missing that the main point in this case is probably that Pac-Man tried to hide his two arrests in (can't remember the state, but somewhere outside of Tennessee).

When a NFL player gets into trouble he has to report it ASAP. It's in all contracts. IMO that brought him in way more trouble with the NFL than his actual actions.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Harley has opened my eyes about you. You rag on Boldin (doesn't drink and a family man) but support Pacman (10 incidents and assults a cop) and Ron Mexico (knowingly gives girls herpes rather than wear a condom)?

Shame on you


No wonder you're such a Big lover and a Wells hater. You route for the arrogant guys with a sense of entitlement and rag on the guys who work hard and grind it out.

Lets keep the personal attacks out of this. K9 is what he is. He gets off on arguing the absurd and will drive you crazy if you take him seriously.

 

[Heucrazy]

Lets keep the personal attacks out of this. K9 is what he is. He gets off on arguing the absurd and will drive you crazy if you take him seriously.

Gotcha

Even though I don't think I insulted him.

 

[Gee!]

I'm not saying those are the only things, of course. Obviously, when hip hop was formed it was four elements: bboying, emceeing, graffiti, and turntables. It's evolved since then, and it can be any number of things.

Dude, those 4 things are still in hip hop.. Black Starr, Del etc etc.. Only wack ass wanna be thug rappers like 50 Cent and them made it seem cool to go to strip clubs.. It doesnt mean its hip hop..

 

[kerouac9]

Dude, those 4 things are still in hip hop.. Black Starr, Del etc etc.. Only wack ass wanna be thug rappers like 50 Cent and them made it seem cool to go to strip clubs.. It doesnt mean its hip hop..

I agree that they're still "in" hip hop, but I'm saying that they're not only hip hop. You can't say that guys like Nas and Jay-Z aren't hip-hop. Or that Biggie and 2Pac weren't hiphop.

I didn't mean to imply that hiphop has evolved past those things; I meant that hip hop now includes more than that. You don't think that hyphy counts has hip hop? What about the underground syrup scene in Texas? That's not hiphop?

Hip hop is tons of things, but not all of them are good.

 

[kerouac9]

It's hilarious that since I came on here and said that Anquan Boldin isn't one of the Top 5 WRs in the NFL, I'm apparently a hater. If you think that Anquan is "only" a top 10 or 15 WR, you're a hater.

Or that thinking that we shouldn't let Leonard Davis leave without a replacement on the roster is being a "big lover." This board is pretty ridiculous sometimes.

 

[Gee!]

I agree that they're still "in" hip hop, but I'm saying that they're not only hip hop. You can't say that guys like Nas and Jay-Z aren't hip-hop. Or that Biggie and 2Pac weren't hiphop.

I didn't mean to imply that hiphop has evolved past those things; I meant that hip hop now includes more than that. You don't think that hyphy counts has hip hop? What about the underground syrup scene in Texas? That's not hiphop?

Hip hop is tons of things, but not all of them are good.

Just checked.. Didnt see anything about strip clubs or making it rain as a prerequisite to be hip hop..

http://www.templeofhiphop.org/

 

[MadCardDisease]

Just checked.. Didnt see anything about strip clubs or making it rain as a prerequisite to be hip hop..

http://www.templeofhiphop.org/

 

[kerouac9]

Just checked.. Didnt see anything about strip clubs or making it rain as a prerequisite to be hip hop..

http://www.templeofhiphop.org/

Maybe, but isn't "Make it Rain" a song by Fat Joe, who's featured prominently on that very website?

Can't we just put our differences aside and all agree that this video is the new hotness?