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Pacman Jones Suspended for 1 Season
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I think its title is Oraniko flow or something. Enya tune. Damn you Harley.
Red Sails in the Sunset.
Heucrazy
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Turn in your man card ASAP.
I think most people are losing site of the big picture. This is not an action to compare what has happened in the past with other players. This is an action to set a standard from this point going forward. Pacman was made an example of no doubt. However, knowing what the standards are, you would have to be an idiot not to change your life style if you value your NFL career going forward.
This move towards harsher consequences was pushed my the NFLPA not the league office. So if the other players in the league want to clean it up then I am all for it. I can only hope this sets an example for the other leagues as well.
This move towards harsher consequences was pushed my the NFLPA not the league office. So if the other players in the league want to clean it up then I am all for it. I can only hope this sets an example for the other leagues as well.
ARZCardinals
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titan's don't have anything on thier board.
I don't see this 1 year suspension happening, unless it's for 'hiding' the police investigation before the draft.
I don't see this 1 year suspension happening, unless it's for 'hiding' the police investigation before the draft.
Nice call. Thanks.
Heucrazy
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What part of "not disclosing his two arrests which is a contract violation" didn't you understand?
kerouac9
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Len P at ESPN.com is reporting that Tank Johnson may only get suspended for 4 games for his gun charge. If Tank gets a month for actually being convicted of a felony and Pacman gets 12 for only being arrested, something's very much awry at the NFL offices.
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You forget that he also goes to prison, so it's not like he's getting off with a slap on the wrist as you keep implying.
It's really a joke that your are turning this into a racist thing, 80% of the NFL is black and can do what they want, throwing money, beating up strippers and getting people shot is not "being black" its being a moron.
Yes, if you or any of us got arrested for beating up a stripper and being an accomplis to a shooting you would get fired too.
kerouac9
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Does he go to prison? For how long? Michael Pittman had to do like 8 non-consecutive days in city jail when he beat his wife the time before he rammed his car into her.
The only NFL player that I know went to prison (while playing) was Jamal Lewis. All the other guys go to jail, which is a totally different thing.
Again, being arrested =/= being convicted. Are you saying that the NFL should be an extra-legal body that punishes people who don't plead out/get convicted more than those who do and have to serve some off-season time?
It's hilarious that since I came on here and said that Anquan Boldin isn't one of the Top 5 WRs in the NFL, I'm apparently a hater. If you think that Anquan is "only" a top 10 or 15 WR, you're a hater.
Or that thinking that we shouldn't let Leonard Davis leave without a replacement on the roster is being a "big lover." This board is pretty ridiculous sometimes.
Tell me about it, you just came on and said the NFL isnt letting player be black because they suspended a guy for having multiple arrests and always being around crime. How does it have anything to do with being black? glad to see the true colors.
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Predominately black huh? Do research, the people who make up the majority of Hip-Hop record sales are white males between the ages of 15-30. There are more white people in hip hop then you even know. One of the hottest producers in the game right now, Scott Storch, is a white dude. Eminem, Apathy, Atomsphere, Swollen Members. In real hip-hop more than half the breakers and taggers i know are white. BTW "hip-hoppity-hop-hop-scotch"? I guess some people perfer that "devil satanic hell on earth kind of music."
If I own an opera CD does that make me a tenor?
If hip hop weren't predominantly black, why did Eminem's PR machine make such a big deal about him being a white rapper? The entire movie 8 Mile
would make no sense if being a white rapper wasn't atypical.
kerouac9
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No, I said that it was punishing him for running with a bad crowd. People get arrested all the time for stuff that they ended up not doing. The NFL is saying that you can't hang out with people like this, and I think that's a shame.
If I happen to be witness to--but not involved in--12 traffic accidents, should my license be suspended? What if I'm in the car--but not driving--during 8 accidents? Should I be punished? Not even by the police, but by my job? How does that even make sense?
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He's going to be locked up for 120 days (basically 4 months).
kerouac9
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Prison or jail?
Actually, you said the league was sending a message that players couldn't "be as black as they want to be."
You don't see the difference between happening to be near something bad and putting yourself in the position to be near something bad over and over and over again?
kerouac9
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How about "losing freedom" for 120 days?
They're different things, man. Radically different. Just ask someone who's been there...
I'm not saying they're not, G. I'm just pointing out that jail or prison, they're both punishment and neither are fun, Dog.
kerouac9
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I understand the difference, I'm saying that you shouldn't take away a guy's livelihood for a year (about 10% of his total career) based on parsing out those two things. I think that if he actually gets convicted of a crime, then they have every right to throw the book at him. For what he's done so far, they are probably justified in suspending him for a quarter of a season. But I don't think he's done anything to justify an entire year.
Again, Haynesworth got 6 games for stomping on an unsuspecting player's head. Are you really saying that whatever Pacman's done is more than twice as bad as that?
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If you are under contract, you have to abide by the code of conduct of your employer. They could tell you to dress in a clown suit everyday and if you don't, they can do what they want with you because you broke contract. And you can't pull the union card because of the CBA.
He lied about two incidents to the NFL and his team (breaching the CBA), compounded with his history in his first two years in the league. That's all they needed to see when they pulled the trigger.
Name me ONE other player who's had 10 different run-in's with the law in their first two years in the league?
This isn't a race issue, this is an "I-repeatedly-acted-dumb-and-embarrassed-my-employer-so-now-I'm-suspended" issue. He's being made an example of to let it be known that the league won't tolerate this nonsense.
The ONLY issue that is up for debate will be Pac-Man losing his income for the entire year. That is something he (and the PA) could actually fight and have merit.
PS - I'm black.
For one, being a witness to an accident is alot different than YOUR FRIENDS WITH YOU at the club shooting people and whatnot, surely you are intelligent enough to know that being an accomplis is just as bad as being the person who did it in the eyes of the law.
Secondly, you did not say hes being punished for his crowd, you said the "white NFL" is not letting him be "black".
That fact alone strips every bit of creditbility out of anything youll ever say to me
The simple facts of this are for one, yes your company would fire you if they got wind that you beat down a stripper and one of your friends murdered someone last night and secondly that you are an ignorant fool for saying that hes being black by commiting crimes
Take your racist BS somewhere else, I'm sorry you feel the white man wont let everyone be black.
One other note, sure there have been other crimes that have gotten away with less punishment but I dont see why you are still arguing that, you need to clarify why beating down strippers and killing people is being black and how the white man doesnt do that and wont let the black man be himself.
OJ, lewis, little and many others got away with murder. They are rich and famous and things get covered up. Was the white man sticking it to them too? or does the white man only have an agenda towards pacman? If I had my way little and lewis would have had much worse suspensions but we also have a different commissioner these days and they guy gets in trouble so much players had to come out and ask for action against him. Houshmanzadah must be half white cuz he was against pacman too.
OJ, lewis, little and many others got away with murder. They are rich and famous and things get covered up. Was the white man sticking it to them too? or does the white man only have an agenda towards pacman? If I had my way little and lewis would have had much worse suspensions but we also have a different commissioner these days and they guy gets in trouble so much players had to come out and ask for action against him. Houshmanzadah must be half white cuz he was against pacman too.
