Palmer to Cardinals rumors heating up to a boil...

[desertdawg]

If I was the Raiders I would trade him to the worst team I could find needing a QB, well I guess they've done that too...

**** it, come on in Palmer!!!

 

[cardpa]

Palmer in Cardinal red would be a very nice picture. I am biting at the bit waiting for this deal to be completed. It's would be a big letdown if it somehow fails.

I would personally keep both Stanton and Hoyer while jettisoning Skelton and Lindley.

Your 2013 Arizona QBs
Palmer
Stanton
Hoyer

Talk about depth and it could even lead to a better trade deal if some team gets desperate for a QB Hoyer could be worth a higher draft pick just before the trading deadline.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Palmer in Cardinal red would be a very nice picture. I am biting at the bit waiting for this deal to be completed. It's would be a big letdown if it somehow fails.

I would personally keep both Stanton and Hoyer while jettisoning Skelton and Lindley.

Your 2013 Arizona QBs
Palmer
Stanton
Hoyer

Talk about depth and it could even lead to a better trade deal if some team gets desperate for a QB Hoyer could be worth a higher draft pick just before the trading deadline.

They won't carry Hoyer at $2M.

 

[Duckjake]

Palmer in Cardinal red would be a very nice picture. I am biting at the bit waiting for this deal to be completed. It's would be a big letdown if it somehow fails.

I would personally keep both Stanton and Hoyer while jettisoning Skelton and Lindley.

Your 2013 Arizona QBs
Palmer
Stanton
Hoyer

Talk about depth and it could even lead to a better trade deal if some team gets desperate for a QB Hoyer could be worth a higher draft pick just before the trading deadline.

I can't see the Cards paying a #3 QB $2 million when they could have DDeuce or Lindley for $500k. Lindley stays most likely.

 

[kerouac9]

Palmer's yards per completion average in Oakland last two seasons was 12.7. The Cards were at 10. (Lindley was 8.4!) With 337 completions for the Cards that would be over 900 yards of extra offense about 60+ yards per game.

Question: How much difference would that make?

It's impossible to make any kind of projection on that basis, because the supporting cast/system/coaching staffs/players are all different.

 

[Duckjake]

It's impossible to make any kind of projection on that basis, because the supporting cast/system/coaching staffs/players are all different.

I'm not interested in just applying it to Arizona. Just how much difference would an extra 60 yards of offense a game make with any NFL team on average?

 

[GuernseyCard]

It's impossible to make any kind of projection on that basis, because the supporting cast/system/coaching staffs/players are all different.

Strange, or perhaps not, from someone with a true penchant for prediction.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

It's impossible to make any kind of projection on that basis, because the supporting cast/system/coaching staffs/players are all different.

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE TDS...

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not interested in just applying it to Arizona. Just how much difference would an extra 60 yards of offense a game make with any NFL team on average?

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE TDS...

Well, obviously more yardage in a game is going to increase the chance that points are going to be scored. I'd have to dig in on the Advanced NFL Metrics, but I'd surmise that 60 yards per game would equate to maybe 3.5 points per game. As a guess.

 

[bankybruce]

I can't see the Cards paying a #3 QB $2 million when they could have DDeuce or Lindley for $500k. Lindley stays most likely.

I think Lindley is toast. Palmer, Stanton and 5th round pick with a big arm.

 

[CardsFan88]

What I think is funny is that Seattle (if the Palmer trade goes through, need to check the other threads to see if it's done yet) gave us a QB by trading Flynn to Seattle by setting off the dominoes.

Obviously we'd clearly be 3rd with a who knows from the Rams, but suddenly we'd have a legit shot at a wild card berth, provided we shore up the oline in this awesome oline draft.

 

[Duckjake]

Well, obviously more yardage in a game is going to increase the chance that points are going to be scored. I'd have to dig in on the Advanced NFL Metrics, but I'd surmise that 60 yards per game would equate to maybe 3.5 points per game. As a guess.

Thanks

 

[CardsFan88]

Oh and I dug up this little factoid, with 14 INT's in 565 passes last year he had a better pass attempt to int ratio then Drew Brees.

Obviously Palmer is no Drew Brees, but it does show the type of QB we would be getting, and he did all of this with no talent receivers in Oakland. Oh they have speed, so they have THAT talent.

Which then begs the question, if you have no talent speed receivers, what are they doing picking up a mediocre arm Flynn?

 

[Goldfield]

Palmer in AZ would be sweet.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Oh and I dug up this little factoid, with 14 INT's in 565 passes last year he had a better pass attempt to int ratio then Drew Brees.

Obviously Palmer is no Drew Brees, but it does show the type of QB we would be getting, and he did all of this with no talent receivers in Oakland. Oh they have speed, so they have THAT talent.

Which then begs the question, if you have no talent speed receivers, what are they doing picking up a mediocre arm Flynn?

He was also only sacked 27 times on 610ish drop backs. Compare that to our QBs last year. I know that is a stat that is shared by the OL, but good QBs don't get sacked a lot even when they have a poor OL. He also had about 6 fumbles which would be a total of 20 turnovers. Which is way better than we have seen in quite a while.

 

[Duckjake]

He was also only sacked 27 times on 610ish drop backs. Compare that to our QBs last year. I know that is a stat that is shared by the OL, but good QBs don't get sacked a lot even when they have a poor OL. He also had about 6 fumbles which would be a total of 20 turnovers. Which is way better than we have seen in quite a while.

Looking at that you have to ask why was Kolb's sack % so much higher than the other QBs. Part of last season when Kolb was getting sacked once every 8 attempts was the line but he was over 10% the year before. Of course there was also Max Hall and his 15% sack rate. What a great find he was.

Skelton's meanwhile has stayed right around 7% all three seasons.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Looking at that you have to ask why was Kolb's sack % so much higher than the other QBs. Part of last season when Kolb was getting sacked once every 8 attempts was the line but he was over 10% the year before. Of course there was also Max Hall and his 15% sack rate. What a great find he was.

Skelton's meanwhile has stayed right around 7% all three seasons.

Exactly. Kolb would actually run into sacks quite often (you know the whole bailing to his right that he likes to do). Skelton on the other hand when he feels pressure he looks to get the ball out quickly as apposed to just freaking out and taking the sack. Good QBs keep their eyes downfield and get the ball out at the last possible second as apposed to taking the sack.

 

[CardsFan88]

He was also only sacked 27 times on 610ish drop backs. Compare that to our QBs last year. I know that is a stat that is shared by the OL, but good QBs don't get sacked a lot even when they have a poor OL. He also had about 6 fumbles which would be a total of 20 turnovers. Which is way better than we have seen in quite a while.

The Raiders line was pretty bad too.

You're right, sacks are determined by offensive line and QB mostly...then one can say other things like the defenses they faced (and individuals) compared against the NFL norm.

One could also say play calling can be a factor too as if the offense is calling longer developing plays compared to say the west coast offense, the same line, if all else is equal should give up less sacks in a west coast offense because the plays are shorter.

I really wanted Palmer when he went to the Raiders, but knew we weren't going to give up what the Raiders did.

I just can't believe Seattle would make a trade which would give us a shot at getting a legit QB.

But given who we have compared to the Raiders on offense, and that we're in prime position to drastically fix our line...maybe not completely but greatly patch it up at the least, I like our chances with Palmer.

We've had so many guys running wide open the last few years an no one to deliver the ball. Fitz, Roberts, Housler will all benefit immensely...not to mention Floyd.

I really think that 2013 we can compete if we get Palmer, and with another offseason and some dead cap coming free in 2014 we could be really strong. We've got some good young talent, and I really think if we go heavy linemen at the top of this draft, while you want to hit on picks throughout the draft, patching this line with young studs would make this draft a success and anything more pulled from it is gravy.

 

[Cards Czar]

The Raiders line was pretty bad too.

You're right, sacks are determined by offensive line and QB mostly...then one can say other things like the defenses they faced (and individuals) compared against the NFL norm.

One could also say play calling can be a factor too as if the offense is calling longer developing plays compared to say the west coast offense, the same line, if all else is equal should give up less sacks in a west coast offense because the plays are shorter.

I really wanted Palmer when he went to the Raiders, but knew we weren't going to give up what the Raiders did.

I just can't believe Seattle would make a trade which would give us a shot at getting a legit QB.

But given who we have compared to the Raiders on offense, and that we're in prime position to drastically fix our line...maybe not completely but greatly patch it up at the least, I like our chances with Palmer.

We've had so many guys running wide open the last few years an no one to deliver the ball. Fitz, Roberts, Housler will all benefit immensely...not to mention Floyd.

I really think that 2013 we can compete if we get Palmer, and with another offseason and some dead cap coming free in 2014 we could be really strong. We've got some good young talent, and I really think if we go heavy linemen at the top of this draft, while you want to hit on picks throughout the draft, patching this line with young studs would make this draft a success and anything more pulled from it is gravy.

I hope Seattle loves their new back-up, but if he playes the cardinals "Its Smashing Time".

Matt Leinart:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/seattle-could-next-landing-spot-171029848--nfl.html

 

[CardsFan88]

I hope Seattle loves their new back-up, but if he playes the cardinals "Its Smashing Time".

Matt Leinart:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/seattle-could-next-landing-spot-171029848--nfl.html

Captain Checkdown sighting.

 

[BigRedRage]

Captain Checkdown sighting.

saw his 2012 stats earlier when looking up palmer, 300 attempts I think - something in the range of 3 yards per completion.

 

[CardsFan88]

saw his 2012 stats earlier when looking up palmer, 300 attempts I think - something in the range of 3 yards per completion.

Yeah this is what Leinart did on the same team that Carson Palmer had
comp att pct yds avg td lng int fum QBR rating
16 33 48.5 115 3.49 0 20 1 0 11.3 44.4

2011 with Houston it was 4.39 avg

Funny enough Leinart's career avg is 6.34

He's as checkdown as ever and seems to be getting worse.

 

[BigRedRage]

3.49 per attempt is HILARIOUS

 

[red desert]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9...alt-oakland-raiders-arizona-cardinals-sources

 

[crisper57]

Of all the former USC QB's that could be an option, I guess he's the best. And that includes Barkley.