Palmer

[GatorAZ]

You never go full Delhomme.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Carson Palmer’s Jake Delhomme moment should have Cardinals thinking about the future

Carson Palmer picked a bad day to have a bad day.

That’s a mild adjustment to a quote from former Panthers coach John Fox seven years ago, after his team disintegrated in a 33-13 home loss to the Cardinals in the playoffs. Former Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme coughed up the ball six times in defeat, a horrific performance from which he never recovered.

On Sunday night on the same field with the same two teams fighting for a berth in the 50th Super Bowl, Palmer played the role of Delhomme, throwing four interceptions and losing two fumbles in a 49-15 thrashing by the Panthers.

Perhaps the blame for the poor performance from Palmer goes to the dislocated finger he suffered in Week 15, even though Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reported before the game that the finger isn’t an issue. Maybe Palmer, who had never in his career played a postseason game on the road, simply buckled under the pressure.

And maybe, with Palmer now 36 years of age, the Cardinals need to wonder whether Palmer has been permanently affected by the performance, in the same way Delhomme was. Even if Palmer can get it back together again by September, the Cardinals will need a replacement for Palmer, sooner or later. The last time their starting quarterback retired, the Cardinals floundered for several seasons with high-priced busts like Kevin Kolb and a revolving door of unproven players who were good enough to get coach Ken Whisenhunt fired.

Palmer, who fell into the laps of the Cardinals after quitting on the Raiders two years after quitting on the Bengals, previously has played well. However, he struggled last Saturday night against the Packers, eight days before his six-turnover nightmare. It’s possible that he’s good enough to get a team to the playoffs, but that he simply can’t get a team to the Super Bowl.

In an offseason that will feature plenty of younger options for a quarterback-whispering coach in Bruce Arian, maybe the best move will be to get Hue Jackson to overpay for Palmer like Jackson did with the Raiders in 2011, giving Palmer a chance to finish his career as a starter the same way Delhomme did — with the Browns.

Of course, Palmer wanted out of Cincinnati in part because he wanted out of Ohio and toward the West Coast. Which leaves only two currently viable options. Both of which are in the NFC West. And one of which will be playing for the next three seasons in the stadium where Carson Palmer played college football.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Say what you want about the finger, but his decision making was ATROCIOUS in the playoffs and that's a head problem.

Bingo.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Let me come dislocate your finger with a hammer & see how well you throw a football for a month.

I do not think some people have really watched him play this season. He was no different than Brett Favre throwing into double and triple coverage but before the finger injury they where being completed because his accuracy was on point

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You never go full Delhomme.

5/5

 

[Covert Rain]

I do not think some people have really watched him play this season. He was no different than Brett Favre throwing into double and triple coverage but before the finger injury they where being completed because his accuracy was on point

It is much different. Because Favre is a gamer and has a pedigree as such. Even when he makes mistakes he has proven time and time again to be mentally tough enough to shrug off those mistakes...especially in big games.

Unless the argument is Palmer's brains reside in his finger....it's a ridiculous comparison. No wait...it's still a ridiculous comparison.

 

[Buckybird]

No doubt but that wasn't his major problem. Being a mental midget was.

I love how some of you bash players when they lose & don't perform well. Guess we need to cut Palmer, Fitz, PP, Smokey, Floyd, Rashad, Calais etc. let's fire BA while we're at it. All of them played there worst all year! All year! Clean house Michael please lol

Guess we should just start Stanton, sign RGIII or Bradford since they're so much better. Lol

 

[GatorAZ]

It is much different. Because Favre is a gamer and has a pedigree as such. Even when he makes mistakes he has proven time and time again to be mentally tough enough to shrug off those mistakes...especially in big games.

Unless the argument is Palmer's brains reside in his finger....it's a ridiculous comparison. No wait...it's still a ridiculous comparison.

I think people forget how good 90's Favre was with Holmgren. They remember the picks when he got older but he protected the ball during those MVP years in the regular and post season.

 

[Buckybird]

I do not think some people have really watched him play this season. He was no different than Brett Favre throwing into double and triple coverage but before the finger injury they where being completed because his accuracy was on point

Agree Texan. I'd go to battle with Carson Palmer any day.

 

[Broseph]

He looked absolutely overwhelmed out there. This was his big shot, and he choked as bad as I've ever seen a QB choke. If he can't handle the pressure at this stage of his career, I doubt he will ever be able to.

Carson gave us an amazing regular season, but in no way do I see him as a guy who can take us to the next level. Unfortunately, I also don't see him going anywhere for the next couple of years. This team has a lot of holes to fill this summer, and I sincerely hope QBOTF is one of them. Getting a halfway decent pass rusher would also be helpful.

This ..

 

[Covert Rain]

I love how some of you bash players when they lose & don't perform well. Guess we need to cut Palmer, Fitz, PP, Smokey, Floyd, Rashad, Calais etc. let's fire BA while we're at it. All of them played there worst all year! All year! Clean house Michael please lol

Guess we should just start Stanton, sign RGIII or Bradford since they're so much better. Lol

Really? Nice strawman argument. Your one problem? I never said cut anybody else. I never said clean house. I think the team is still loaded with talent. I think with the right QB we could be right back in the mix. I think many others feel the same way. I don't see most people here saying clean house or we have empty cupboards.

It doesn't excuse what a choker Palmer is. If you want to put a bunch of words in my mouth and generalize what everyone is saying to help you ignore that Palmer won't get it done. Be my guest.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Palmer had the worst game you could have imagined today. In fact if someone asked about the worst case scenario before the game, no one would have described what actually took place. All that being said, the nail in the coffin was the play by PP. Now in his defense maybe he sensed how bad Palmer was playing and thought he needed to make a play, but we had just scored. We held them to three and out and would have had the ball near the 50 with 4:52 left in the half. If that game is 17-14 or 17-10 at the half we still would probably have lost but I think Palmer's nerves would not have gotten the best of him and the outcome would have been in doubt longer then it was. As far as Palmer is concerned the doomsayers can do their best but there are NO OTHER OPTIONS for next year. He is going to be the QB unless he retires.

 

[Buckybird]

Really? Nice strawman argument. Your one problem? I never said cut anybody else. I never said clean house. I think the team is still loaded with talent. I think with the right QB we could be right back in the mix. I think many others feel the same way. I don't see most people here saying clean house or we have empty cupboards.

It doesn't excuse what a mental midget Palmer is. If you want to put a bunch of words in my mouth and generalize what everyone is saying to help you ignore that Palmer won't get it done. Be my guest.

Who you gonna get then Mr Genius GM to take off where he left off? I'm dying to hear.

If your gonna state your case for the Cards problem, give me a solution! Please I'm excited to hear your brilliant response. Fire away...

 

[Covert Rain]

Who you gonna get then Mr Genius GM to take off where he left off? I'm dying to hear.

If your gonna state your case for the Cards problem, give me a solution! Please I'm excited to hear your brilliant response. Fire away...

I never said that anybody was available or that they could realistically get anybody. So, again, instead of putting words in my mouth once again (I never suggested there was anybody), I think they should make every attempt to do so since history says we know what we have in Palmer. I mean, you seem to be equally a genius in evaluating Palmer if you think he is our guy. How did that work out?

This team is still loaded with talent. We might just be a couple guys away. How is it a bad thing to want them to go out and ATTEMPT to get those guys? There never is a guarantee they work out. You can either stay the course or try. I want them to try.

 

[Russ Smith]

Really? Nice strawman argument. Your one problem? I never said cut anybody else. I never said clean house. I think the team is still loaded with talent. I think with the right QB we could be right back in the mix. I think many others feel the same way. I don't see most people here saying clean house or we have empty cupboards.

It doesn't excuse what a mental midget Palmer is. If you want to put a bunch of words in my mouth and generalize what everyone is saying to help you ignore that Palmer won't get it done. Be my guest.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying Palmer is a mental midget?

I mean the last 25 posts weren't clear enough for me./

 

[Buckybird]

I never said that anybody was available or that they could realistically get anybody. So, again, instead of putting words in my mouth once again (I never suggested there was anybody), I think they should make every attempt to do so since history says we know what we have in Palmer. I mean, you seem to be equally a genius in evaluating Palmer if you think he is our guy. How did that work out?

Well I think he is. I truly believe the Cards can win the Super Bowl with Palmer as its QB. We shall see.

 

[Jake6233]

Carson Palmer’s Jake Delhomme moment should have Cardinals thinking about the future

Not a fan of that article. While I question whether a team can win a title with Palmer (I think they can with a good enough defense) the idea that he is "done" because of this game and that the Cardinals would trade him (within the division no less) with no viable replacement are both pretty ridiculous.

Palmer will be the Cardinals starting QB next year and even despite this game he more than deserves to be.

That being said there is no doubt that the cardinals need to look hard for a young qb really really soon. I would say this draft if they like a certain qb enough and its reasonable to trade up for one.

 

[Russ Smith]

Palmer had the worst game you could have imagined today. In fact if someone asked about the worst case scenario before the game, no one would have described what actually took place. All that being said, the nail in the coffin was the play by PP. Now in his defense maybe he sensed how bad Palmer was playing and thought he needed to make a play, but we had just scored. We held them to three and out and would have had the ball near the 50 with 4:52 left in the half. If that game is 17-14 or 17-10 at the half we still would probably have lost but I think Palmer's nerves would not have gotten the best of him and the outcome would have been in doubt longer then it was. As far as Palmer is concerned the doomsayers can do their best but there are NO OTHER OPTIONS for next year. He is going to be the QB unless he retires.

Easy to say but I think we win the game if PP doesn't fumble. We had momentum I think we score and go in 17-14. Even if they score the FG it's 20-14 when Palmer gets the ball back down 6, intead it was 27-7 down 20 and he started pressing.

The defense was gambling because of the big hole and they made us pay with big plays. The entire game fell apart because the way we play blitzing and throwing the ball deep, is tough to do down 20 points against that sort of team.

Said it all week, if we don't fall behind them we will win, we did, and we lost.

I think PP's fumble was it,.


The final score is what it is but if we aren't down 20 when we first get the ball for the 2nd half, we don't take nearly as many chances on both sides of teh ball.

 

[Covert Rain]

Let me get this straight. Are you saying Palmer is a mental midget?

I mean the last 25 posts weren't clear enough for me./

Stop...you're no Palmer Russ.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well I think he is. I truly believe the Cards can win the Super Bowl with Palmer as its QB. We shall see.

Fair enough. I admit I could be totally wrong. Actually, I hope you are because I think we are stuck with him for now.

 

[Russ Smith]

Stop...you're no Palmer Russ.

I'm just wondering if you're keyboard is stuck and keeps typing mental midget or something.

He had a horrible game, we all saw it. he's not mental midget. Anybody that reads about Arians and how he coaches QB's can see that a mental midget could not have survived one season playing for Bruce Arians.

He played like crap today but you can't run this offense and be a mental midget.

 

[nashman]

He had to take some shots ill advised ones, but early guys were dropping balls also. Plus rip Palmer all you want but we were not winning this game period with the D getting shredded and giving up 49 points lol. Palmer played his part but the D was atrocious and Peterson made some huge mistakes as well. This was a complete team loss in all facets of the game! Special teams and defense got schooled period! Palmer had a terrible game it happens but being torched was a primary reason he was trying to force throws where he shouldn't have!

 

[Covert Rain]

He had a horrible game, we all saw it. he's not mental midget. Anybody that reads about Arians and how he coaches QB's can see that a mental midget could not have survived one season playing for Bruce Arians.

He played like crap today but you can't run this offense and be a mental midget.

Simply not true. There are tons of smart people that don't get it done when the pressure is cranked up. People fold under high pressure all the time. It doesn't mean he is not smart enough to run the offense. You are talking about two different things.

Also, he didn't just have a horrible game. He had one of the worst by any NFL QB in playoff history no?

 

[Buckybird]

Easy to say but I think we win the game if PP doesn't fumble. We had momentum I think we score and go in 17-14. Even if they score the FG it's 20-14 when Palmer gets the ball back down 6, intead it was 27-7 down 20 and he started pressing.

The defense was gambling because of the big hole and they made us pay with big plays. The entire game fell apart because the way we play blitzing and throwing the ball deep, is tough to do down 20 points against that sort of team.

Said it all week, if we don't fall behind them we will win, we did, and we lost.

I think PP's fumble was it,.


The final score is what it is but if we aren't down 20 when we first get the ball for the 2nd half, we don't take nearly as many chances on both sides of teh ball.

Agree.

I will add this Russ. This team needs more LBs & defenders. Having to blitz almost every play puts so much stress on a defense & it's a bad matchup against Carolina & Seattle IMO, unless you can out score them.

 

[Chopper0080]

A couple thoughts...

1-We are stuck with Palmer for next year so it is a waste believing they will try and replace him.

2-No one other than David Johnson played well so to only harp on Palmer is unfair. campbell was equally ineffective, and Peterson played his worst game of the season. Fitz was dropping balls.

3-This team needs to be more physical up front. The front office has tried to make this happen on the offensive line but keep losing talent along the defensive front. They have to start upgrading that. Our LB corp is a joke.