Palmer

[nashman]

I really don't think he cared about the numbers... Him and Arians were trying to make something happen taking shots, crap happens when you go for big plays over and over. Muffed punt and terrible Defense all game is much more the reason for the loss IMO!

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I really don't think he cared about the numbers... Him and Arians were trying to make something happen taking shots, crap happens when you go for big plays over and over. Muffed punt and terrible Defense all game is much more the reason for the loss IMO!

I seem to remember a point where the game wasn't completely out of hand, and Johnson was starting to crack the Carolina D..... Then we went all "chuck and duck".

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Agree Texan. I'd go to battle with Carson Palmer any day.

+1, bad day, jitters, east coast, he will be fine...

 

[Cheesebeef]

A couple thoughts...

1-We are stuck with Palmer for next year so it is a waste believing they will try and replace him.

2-No one other than David Johnson played well so to only harp on Palmer is unfair. campbell was equally ineffective, and Peterson played his worst game of the season. Fitz was dropping balls.

3-This team needs to be more physical up front. The front office has tried to make this happen on the offensive line but keep losing talent along the defensive front. They have to start upgrading that. Our LB corp is a joke.

All of this.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Palmer will have one more shot to redeem himself next year if he lasts the entire season again

I mean are their even any good fa qbs avliable this offseason?

Just sad for me to see palmer end the season like that

3 hrs after I still feel sick to my stomach sigh I won't be able to watch ESPN till after sb

 

[Bert]

All of this.

I agree too.

I firmly believe that the game was over the second PP muffed the punt.

We had just scored, Palmer was looking settled at that time, and the defense had just made an impressive stop. The worm was turning, and just like that it was over.

Which brings me to my next point, I was talking about this before the game with my Dad and I have said it on this board a hundred times. This is the worst quick turnaround defense I have ever seen. When we turn the ball over, it seems like an automatic TD for the other team. It's like our defense goes into pout mode like, meh, it's not our fault you guys screwed up. If the defense stops them, PP's muff is inconsequential, but they didn't and just like that the game was over. EVERYONE shares the blame in this loss.

We will never know, but if you tell me we could have had the ball with the score still 17-7 with great field position and the momentum shifting, we might have had a ball game.

You just cant turn the damn ball over on the road.

It's really not surprising, the Cardinals had been dancing with that turnover devil all season. We had won like 2 or 3 games where we lost the turnover battle. That doesn't happen very often in the playoffs on the road against a great team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree too.

I firmly believe that the game was over the second PP muffed the punt.

We had just scored, Palmer was looking settled at that time, and the defense had just made an impressive stop. The worm was turning, and just like that it was over.

Which brings me to my next point, I was talking about this before the game with my Dad and I have said it on this board a hundred times. This is the worst quick turnaround defense I have ever seen. When we turn the ball over, it seems like an automatic TD for the other team. It's like our defense goes into pout mode like, meh, it's not our fault you guys screwed up. If the defense stops them, PP's muff is inconsequential, but they didn't and just like that the game was over. EVERYONE shares the blame in this loss.

We will never know, but if you tell me we could have had the ball with the score still 17-7 with great field position and the momentum shifting, we might have had a ball game.

You know, I almost believe this could have been the case... and then I remember how atrocious Palmer was and truly believe that he probably throws an INT if Peterson doesn't muff that punt. He was that bad today.

 

[TJ]

After tonight I have no faith in Palmer and I'm ready to to cut ties with Rashad.

You're talking about two of the catalysts who got AZ to a game away from the Super Bowl, one of which was a legit MVP candidate.

It's comic relief reading many of your guys' posts. "Cut Palmer" "Rashad is terrible" "Fire Bettcher" "No Heart."

I get it--tonight sucked. It was not fun watching this team get taken to the woodshed. But the reality of the situation is a 13-3 team ran into a team that is 15-1, having almost no weaknesses whatsoever, and riding an emotional high into the playoffs. Simply put, Carolina is the better team.

For Arizona to get to the big game, it has to shore up some of its weaknesses. For starters, find some defensive linemen and pass rushers. The draft should yield a couple of decent linebackers and perhaps some linemen in the deeper rounds. For the offensive line, it's time for Cooper and DJ to **** or get off the pot. If both even get close to their potential next season, we have a very stout offensive line.

As for Carson, while I'm disappointed in his overall playoff performance this year, I still feel he's the right fit for this offense and can take this team to the next level. He may only have one or two more seasons based on age and health, but the ability is there. If I've learned anything about Carson in the three years he's been with Arizona, it's that we should never count him out. I think Palmer will take this as a learning opportunity on how to better prepare mentally for playoff games and how to not get so jacked. I mean, he could've rolled over and died after his second torn ACL, but was up and ready to go by training camp and played like the second best quarterback in the NFL. That takes a lot of mental toughness, and you can see that same attitude reflected onto Honey Badger. I'm also fairly certain that there are torn ligaments in Palmer's index finger, which will require a procedure.

I'm very disappointed in the outcome of the season, but I take solace in the fact that this team has a great owner, great GM, and great coach in place, all of whom will not let this team fade into the abyss.

 

[splitsecond]

Lots of names in here who don't participate on a regular basis. I hope you enjoy coming in and badmouthing the guy who got us here for having a bad game in only his third full playoff game in his career. Real easy to be a bandwagon complainer.


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[Buckybird]

Lots of names in here who don't participate on a regular basis. I hope you enjoy coming in and badmouthing the guy who got us here for having a bad game in only his third full playoff game in his career. Real easy to be a bandwagon complainer.


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[Buckybird]

You're talking about two of the catalysts who got AZ to a game away from the Super Bowl, one of which was a legit MVP candidate.

It's comic relief reading many of your guys' posts. "Cut Palmer" "Rashad is terrible" "Fire Bettcher" "No Heart."

I get it--tonight sucked. It was not fun watching this team get taken to the woodshed. But the reality of the situation is a 13-3 team ran into a team that is 15-1, having almost no weaknesses whatsoever, and riding an emotional high into the playoffs. Simply put, Carolina is the better team.

For Arizona to get to the big game, it has to shore up some of its weaknesses. For starters, find some defensive linemen and pass rushers. The draft should yield a couple of decent linebackers and perhaps some linemen in the deeper rounds. For the offensive line, it's time for Cooper and DJ to **** or get off the pot. If both even get close to their potential next season, we have a very stout offensive line.

As for Carson, while I'm disappointed in his overall playoff performance this year, I still feel he's the right fit for this offense and can take this team to the next level. He may only have one or two more seasons based on age and health, but the ability is there. If I've learned anything about Carson in the three years he's been with Arizona, it's that we should never count him out. I think Palmer will take this as a learning opportunity on how to better prepare mentally for playoff games and how to not get so jacked. I mean, he could've rolled over and died after his second torn ACL, but was up and ready to go by training camp and played like the second best quarterback in the NFL. That takes a lot of mental toughness, and you can see that same attitude reflected onto Honey Badger. I'm also fairly certain that there are torn ligaments in Palmer's index finger, which will require a procedure.

I'm very disappointed in the outcome of the season, but I take solace in the fact that this team has a great owner, great GM, and great coach in place, all of whom will not let this team fade into the abyss.

 

[Homer Simpson]

Lots of names in here who don't participate on a regular basis. I hope you enjoy coming in and badmouthing the guy who got us here for having a bad game in only his third full playoff game in his career. Real easy to be a bandwagon complainer.


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Hey, I don't participate on a regular basis, but I support Palmer. I think this performance was 100% because of the finger. I think most of this thread is ridiculous.

 

[GatorAZ]

Hey, I don't participate on a regular basis, but I support Palmer. I think this performance was 100% because of the finger. I think most of this thread is ridiculous.

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[Broseph]

Carson was a big part of the reason we had such a fantastic season, but he was also a big part of the reason we had a really bad last three games. I do not know to what extent his finger was bothering him but its irrelevant, he made very poor decisions and was not clutch at all. I am not saying cut Palmer, but I do not know if he can take us to the big dance, he just lacked that confidence and swagger I saw from Cam out there. If we make a deep playoff run next year, I still don't see how the hell we get past the Panthers if we do not tweak this O-line and get some pass rush and a #2 CB opposite of PP.

If you watched our last three games, the key to taking our our offense was getting pressure on Palmer. He looked rattled, made poor decisions, and was a turnover machine. I could have created the defensive scheme if I was a Carolina DC to completely destroy our offense, rattle Palmer; pressure him, and he will make mistakes, lack confidence, look scared, and turn the ball over. This completely negates our vertical passing game. We were just incredibly outmatched by a better team that has good players to exploit our weaknesses.

 

[sunsfan88]

Palmer is a big time choker. Always has been and always will be.

This is a 38 year old quarterback making rookie mistakes out there. Pathetic.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Lots of names in here who don't participate on a regular basis. I hope you enjoy coming in and badmouthing the guy who got us here for having a bad game in only his third full playoff game in his career. Real easy to be a bandwagon complainer.


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If you're referring to me I've been commenting in season threads all throughout the year.

 

[splitsecond]

Palmer is a big time choker. Always has been and always will be.

This is a 38 year old quarterback making rookie mistakes out there. Pathetic.

Feel free to jump off the bandwagon


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[iLLmatiC]

Feel free to jump off the bandwagon


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He was never on it. He's a Los Angeles Chargers fan.

 

[splitsecond]

He was never on it. He's a Los Angeles Chargers fan.

Figures. And to answer your other question I wasn't referring to any one specific person. If you feel like you might fit the bill then maybe you do (clearly you don't think you do) but it was a general statement about names I didn't recognize from daily discussions coming in hear and pounding their chests like they are cowboys fans and this is the pro football talk forums.


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[iLLmatiC]

Figures. And to answer your other question I wasn't referring to any one specific person. If you feel like you might fit the bill then maybe you do (clearly you don't think you do) but it was a general statement about names I didn't recognize from daily discussions coming in hear and pounding their chests like they are cowboys fans and this is the pro football talk forums.


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Nope not me. I was extremely pissed and depressed by the outcome of the game. My frustration got the best of me, but you can't have your starting QB commit 6 TO's and expect to win the NFC championship.

 

[splitsecond]

Nope not me. I was extremely pissed and depressed by the outcome of the game. My frustration got the best of me, but you can't have your starting QB commit 6 TO's and expect to win the NFC championship.

I agree and Carson played like ****. But we were whipped in every facet of the game. We were beat before the last 3 turnovers happened. I'll do more of an analysis tomorrow but for now I'm going to bed.


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[Evil Ash]

Palmer was not good tonight. However I'm not going to say that we need to go after someone else unless we get some real damn luck in the draft. While the QB gets the lion's share of the blame for a loss (and the glory for a win), its a team sport and boy did this team stink.

Palmer was off. He made some incredibly bad decisions in the game and was missing open players. Throwing into double coverage in the end zone is never a good idea. He looked like he was settling down in the 2nd qtr and then PP fumbled the ball and our offense was behind the 8 ball at that point. Still should've played better though

The Oline was so bad at times that they managed to give up pressure to a 3 man front. Let that sink in for a second. 5 vs 3 and they still couldn't stop them.

Our WRs looked like they were having trouble with routes and Larry had a case of the dropsies.

Our RB was the lone bright spot on the offense all the way around.

Defensively we had even more issues than the offense. Zero pass rush (the difference between making a good Qb look bad and a good Qb look great resides right here), blown coverages, issues lining up onside, etc

This was a team loss through and through

Feel free to jump off the bandwagon


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He's a chargers fan. He was never really on it to begin with

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I do not think some people have really watched him play this season. He was no different than Brett Favre throwing into double and triple coverage but before the finger injury they where being completed because his accuracy was on point

We all believe that the finger was an issue.

CP should have adjusted his game and worked the middle of the field, sidelines and short passes to open up the big plays. He was trying so hard to force the ball into tight situations and with the finger he wasn't able to do that. No QB can go deep on every other throw and not have the D all over the WR's requiring a perfect throw.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The results are in (after numerous people said Lindley was better than Palmer):

2014 Ryan Lindley QB Rating 44.3 (Carolina 27-16)
2015 Carson Palmer QB Rating 43.2 (Carolina 49-15)

Wow, thought it would never be done.

Let alone another Cardinals QB and against the same team.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

I don't think you can possibly use this as an excuse for this performance. A bad finger doesn't make you throw into double coverage.

The one after the Peterson INT was a killer.