Panthers release DE Everette Brown

[Renz]

Brown has so much potential that no team in the league wants him. Maybe he and Maybin can play cards in the unemployment line.

 

[sportznutt]

Former Panthers DE Everette Brown passed through waivers unclaimed Monday and is now an unrestricted free agent.

Brown only had a $480K salary, so the league must know something about him we don't. The 43rd pick in the 2009 draft, Brown has flashed explosive rush ability but is a complete zero against the run. He needs to go to a 3-4 team.

rotoworld

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Must have injury concerns. Too bad, he could be a valuable pick up.

 

[joeshmo]

Must have injury concerns. Too bad, he could be a valuable pick up.

Then he would have been waived/injured by the Panthers instead of just waived.

If he was just waived with an injury then Brown has a case against the Panthers and is due some money.

The fact is that not a single team in the NFL wanted this guy for only 480k. Even if he stinks against the run, pass rushers are always over valued and someone still would have taken him if they thought he was any good at it.

 

[PDXChris]

He was put in an inauspicious position, not his fault. A 3-4 team will pick him up, and he'll be productive as a 2-point stance OLB, which should be his natural position. Cards are anemic to picking up young OLB's with pass rushing potential, if he was 35 years old and 10 years past his prime, the cards would be all over him.

That's not 100% true. It's either that or be a Steeler and if they are both, then they send a private jet to pick them up.

 

[Early]

Then he would have been waived/injured by the Panthers instead of just waived.

If he was just waived with an injury then Brown has a case against the Panthers and is due some money.

The fact is that not a single team in the NFL wanted this guy for only 480k. Even if he stinks against the run, pass rushers are always over valued and someone still would have taken him if they thought he was any good at it.

Teams have been wrong million times before, joeshmo, so that's not any sort of truth either.

Also it comes at a time where final rosters are just made and even if you bring in a player, can he really learn the scheme in such a short time to be valuable? And especially one that needs to convert to OLB to be more effective? Almost every team needs help THIS year. So that is the major reason that you haven't thought about. He has no offseason to make that conversion.

It's definitely also injury concerns from other teams. For Panthers it's injury concerns and also need for run stopping, because their whole D-Line and secondary have major issues in that part of the game so it gets even more obvious. Teams that are decent and good/great in stopping the run can easy afford a good pass rusher that is liability against the run but I can understand none of them feel he can make the conversion in few games. No need to have him on the roster if he needs an offseason to be effective. And I believe he will. He is way too good pass rusher on tapes to not have a good career.

 

[slanidrac16]

I agree with joshmo...if he were any good Rivera would have found a way to utilize any talent he may have had.
I'll stick with what we got.

 

[joeshmo]

Teams have been wrong million times before, joeshmo, so that's not any sort of truth either.

All 32 teams have been wrong at the same time, sure they have, but all 32 teams being wrong at the same time is an exception not the rule.

Also it comes at a time where final rosters are just made and even if you bring in a player, can he really learn the scheme in such a short time to be valuable? And especially one that needs to convert to OLB to be more effective? Almost every team needs help THIS year. So that is the major reason that you haven't thought about. He has no offseason to make that conversion.

Yet there was 40 or so waiver claims done for guys who dont know the scheme, or will have to change their style of play. 40 or so other guys teams thought were good enough to now have an offseason with the team yet still make the 53 man roster.

It's definitely also injury concerns from other teams. For Panthers it's injury concerns

WHAT injury concerns? What injuries has he had since being in the league?

Teams that are decent and good/great in stopping the run can easy afford a good pass rusher that is liability against the run but I can understand none of them feel he can make the conversion in few games.

We have all heard of the term "pass rush specialist". You know guys who stink at facing the run but teams still highly covet becuase they can get to the passer on passing down. Passing downs that happen 60% of the time in the NFL, a position and skill set that is the second highest coveted skill set in the NFL right below QB.

No need to have him on the roster if he needs an offseason to be effective. And I believe he will. He is way too good pass rusher on tapes to not have a good career.

For 480k it is a pretty cheap investment to have the guy on your roster at the back end of it, he doesnt have to convert right away and be a starter. There is a huge reason to have him on the roster right now, its called "training". Why not put him at the back end of your roster and start training him for next offseason? Seems pretty odd that there isnt a team in the NFL that wanted to make that sort of fore-sight and that cheap of an investment on a so called good pass rusher with tape to prove it. Tape that he has in college, becuase he certianly doesnt have any in the NFL, if he did one of 32 teams would have found a spot any spot, 53 man on the roster even, for the shot at the second most highly coveted skill set in the NFL. Good pass rushers even ones with potential do not sit on the open market, they do not pass through waivers, in fact they get way over valued and over paid.

 

[joeshmo]

I agree with joshmo...if he were any good Rivera would have found a way to utilize any talent he may have had.
I'll stick with what we got.

Exactly. There are so many players on NFL rosters that have specialized skill sets. Blocking TE's, Recieving TE's, Blocking RB's, Reciving RB's, Goal Line RB's, Run stuffing DT's, Nickel DT's, and Pass Rush Specialists.

If a player has a niche skill set and do it well, a coach will find a way to put them on the roster.

 

[joeshmo]

Sidenote - Has there been any even just average Dlinemen to come out of Florida state since Dockett in 2004?

 

[Duckjake]

All 32 teams have been wrong at the same time, sure they have, but all 32 teams being wrong at the same time is an exception not the rule.

All 32 NFL teams are wrong at the same time several times every April.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

All 32 NFL teams are wrong at the same time several times every April.

:arianfoster.

 

[Early]

All 32 teams have been wrong at the same time, sure they have, but all 32 teams being wrong at the same time is an exception not the rule.



Yet there was 40 or so waiver claims done for guys who dont know the scheme, or will have to change their style of play. 40 or so other guys teams thought were good enough to now have an offseason with the team yet still make the 53 man roster.



WHAT injury concerns? What injuries has he had since being in the league?



We have all heard of the term "pass rush specialist". You know guys who stink at facing the run but teams still highly covet becuase they can get to the passer on passing down. Passing downs that happen 60% of the time in the NFL, a position and skill set that is the second highest coveted skill set in the NFL right below QB.



For 480k it is a pretty cheap investment to have the guy on your roster at the back end of it, he doesnt have to convert right away and be a starter. There is a huge reason to have him on the roster right now, its called "training". Why not put him at the back end of your roster and start training him for next offseason? Seems pretty odd that there isnt a team in the NFL that wanted to make that sort of fore-sight and that cheap of an investment on a so called good pass rusher with tape to prove it. Tape that he has in college, becuase he certianly doesnt have any in the NFL, if he did one of 32 teams would have found a spot any spot, 53 man on the roster even, for the shot at the second most highly coveted skill set in the NFL. Good pass rushers even ones with potential do not sit on the open market, they do not pass through waivers, in fact they get way over valued and over paid.

In all honesty, from all what you write, I don't believe you have seen the tapes you like to mention so much. You look at the stats, number of games, his contract, and know everything about a player? You have zero information on this players injury issues as well. Maybe you should find out before you comment because that should be very obvious? He has missed games and many of the one he played, not been to full speed. If you had watched the team, you would know.

I happened to watch every single Panthers game in a very detailed manner, yeah, that is all of the games for this particular player, also of course Cardinals and couple of other teams. Replaying every play to catch as much as I possibly can. A discussion based on something you don't see can never be healthy, basing it on "rules", "exceptions", etc. etc - That's why this is going nowhere at the moment.

Stats are very interesting, but only when you have watched the games, and know how to look at them, and interpret those. Because on tapes, Brown has been a great DE on passing downs and bad one on running downs. On passing plays he was around the QB consistently making pressures and hurries and although that has resulted in "only" 6.5 sacks and 3 FF, there is much more in football than those stats. Some of the additional can be interpreted from the pressures - others are only seen on tape and no site have them written down. Collapsing of the pocket is very often due to more than one player. He has done this against tackles, so the job would obviously been much easier against RB's and TE's in the mix. That's why DE's are given much more credit as pass rushers than OLB's ever will and it's not even close.

Injury concerns, the risky conversion that takes time and his inability to play the run are 3 factors that at this moment are definitely major concerns and with all those three combined it is understandable why teams have stayed away from him.

But there should be absolutely no doubt about what he brings on passing downs when healthy. It's very impressive.

 

[wa52lz]

Chargers just cut him and his 2 tackles in 3 games, maybe we should try him this year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Chargers just cut him and his 2 tackles in 3 games, maybe we should try him this year.

that seems like 2 more tackles than our $30 million man, Stewart Bradley, registered.

 

[joeshmo]

You mean he didnt work out. You dont say.

 

[Chopper0080]

You mean he didnt work out. You dont say.

I am Jack's total lack of surprise.

 

[DoTheDew]

Carolina traded a 1st rounder just to go him, so do not take lightly them cutting him after only two seasons. Showed zero to no skill in those two years. They replaced him with George Selvie a 7th round pick last year who did nothing for the Rams.

Maybe you can chalk it up to him not being in the right system, but I would still have my doubts.

Sounds like the perfect low risk/high reward option to me. If he's as bad as all that, chances are his market value is pretty slim. Bring him in on the cheap and if he can't handle the 3-4 either we'll have little financial reason to not cut him. If he works out, we just got a contributor for cheap.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sounds like the perfect low risk/high reward option to me. If he's as bad as all that, chances are his market value is pretty slim. Bring him in on the cheap and if he can't handle the 3-4 either we'll have little financial reason to not cut him. If he works out, we just got a contributor for cheap.

He hasn't worked when when other teams have tried the same approach. He is not worth a look.

 

[DoTheDew]

He hasn't worked when when other teams have tried the same approach. He is not worth a look.

Hey, got to have a lot of people in camp. Why not for a vet minimum no bonus deal? He'd be no worse then the other 150 guys who are nothing more then camp bodies each year

 

[overseascardfan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ntinue-salary-purge-in-advance-of-free-agency

Forget Brown and go for another 'Nole. Kam Wimbley is now available.