Pariah's First Round Mock, v.2

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Here’s my revised take on the first round of the 2004 NFL Draft. It assumes Mike Williams enters, and Drew Henson will be traded and signed, and will not re-enter the draft. So, the top 11 has been shuffled but the rest of the draft remains the same. I also included the top 11 of my original attempt so you can see the difference.

Take it apart, boys…

1. San Diego: Eli Manning, QB
Yeah, Mike Williams makes them think twice, but they go with the name and relative security that Manning will not bust.
2. Oakland: Mike Williams, WR
They already have a deep threat in Porter, and had been eyeing Fitzgerald as his counterpart, but Mike Williams is a talent too special to pass up.
3. Arizona: Larry Fitzgerald, WR
Denny ignores Pariah’s pleadings to take Roethlisberger and selects his protégé.
4. Pittsburgh (trade with NYG): Ben Roethlisberger, QB
The Steelers seize the opportunity to draft their next Bradshaw. The future of their passing attack looks good.
5. Washington: Robert Gallery, OT
Step one in re-building the Hogs. Gibbs is a freaking genius.
6. Detroit: Sean Taylor, RB
Mooch had his eye on a RB, but only because he didn’t think Taylor would get this far. No- brainer; Taylor is the best athlete/player in the draft.
7. Atlanta: Roy Williams, WR
Mike Vick needs a WR that will develop with him. Williams is a steal at this point in the draft.
8. Cleveland: Shawn Andrews, OT
Cleveland has an anemic running game, but a couple of backs with promise. What gives? The o-line, that’s what.
9. Jacksonville: Kellen Winslow, Jr.
The Jags need more weapons for Leftwich. Kevin Johnson is a great addition, Jimmy Smith has a couple more years, and Winslow will make a nice safety blanket for Lefty.
10. Houston: Tommie Harris, DT
The Texans are fortunate he falls to them here. Should help the defense immediately.
11. New York Giants (trade w/ Pittsburgh): Steven Jackson, RB
The Giants have a new regime in town, and a number of needs, which is why they make the trade with Pittsburgh – NYG #4 for Pitt’s #11, a third and Burress. Jackson is the best value on the board at this point, and will compete with Mr. Average, Tiki Barber.
12. NY Jets: Reggie Williams, WR
See ATL and JAX, Pennington needs toys.
13. Buffalo: Chris Gamble, CB
In an effort to replace Winefield (who was lost to AZ in FA ;) ), the Bills use their top pick on a CB.
14. Chicago: Vince Wilfolk, DT
The Bears had a lot of success a couple of years ago with giant bodies in the middle eating up blockers, allowing their speedy LBs to make plays. They’re much closer to that type of success once again with Wilfolk.
15. Tampa Bay: Michael Clayton, WR
I’m not sold on the idea that McCardell can carry a passing game on his shoulders. Clayton gives the Bucs a prototype WR.
16. San Francisco: Kenechi Udeze, DE
San Fran steels Udeze at #16. He’s possibly a top-ten talent.
17. Cincinnati: Will Smith, DE
See above.
18. New Orleans: DJ Williams, LB
Lots to choose from—NO needs LBs and CBs, and there’s a ton of talent on the board at this point.
19. Minnesota: Derrick Strait, CB
The Vikings pass coverage is as bad as Moss is good. I’ll bet Moss had fun in practice last year.
20. Miami: Jacob Rogers, OT
Ricky Williams is the engine that makes the Dolphins’ offense go, but he can’t do it alone.
21. New England (from Balt.): Kevin Jones, RB
Antwoin Smith? Kevin Faulk? It’s truly amazing the offense works as well as it does.
22. Dallas: Karlos Dansby, LB
A LB that can rush the QB…sound like someone Parcells might make a star? Dallas was licking its chops watching K. Jones fall as far as he did, but just missed, so LB is the call here.
23. Seattle: DeAngelo Hall, CB
…and a terrific young secondary is built.
24. Denver: Rashaun Woods, WR
McCaffery and Smith are getting older, Lelie shows flashes, but can’t do it himself. Woods is a great value here. DT is also a good value at this point, but I think Shanny has a lot riding on his QB selection and will try to help him out with this pick.
25. Green Bay: Phillip Rivers, QB
Brett Favre’s successor.
26. St. Louis: Randy Starks, DT
The Rams are in the enviable position to be making a 1st round selection purely on talent; they don’t appear to have any glaring holes to fill. I think Starks is probably the best available at this point.
27. Titans: Michael Jenkins, WR
Not exactly a vote of confidence in the no-name WRs that played so well this season for McNair (the final play of the season not withstanding).
28. Philadelphia: Matt Ware, CB
Poor Eagles. They had their eye on a bunch of the WRs in round 1, but the ones they covet are all off the board. They replace the CB they lose to FA. They reach for Ware because of his size.
29. Indianapolis: Marcus Tubbs, DT
Beef. It’s what’s for dinner. The Colts add size in the middle.
30. Kansas City: Kewain Ratliff, CB
Sure, the Chefs can score 30 every game, but it seems down the stretch they were just as likely to give up 31.
31. Carolina: Michael Boulware, LB
Building on their strength, the Panthers add more speed to an already great defense.
32. New England: Jonathan Vilma, LB
The Pat’s LBs are getting a little long in the tooth. Vilma is probably a pretty good value here.

1. San Diego: Eli Manning, QB
I don’t think there’s a chance that they’ll pass on another Manning.
2. Oakland: Larry Fitgerald, WR
They have a deep threat in Porter, but Rice and Brown aren’t long for the NFL. Roethlisberger is tempting here, but they have a young QB on the roster, and Davis has a history of getting vet QBs on the FA market (maybe Brunell?)
3. Arizona: Ben Roethlisberger, QB
Denny likes his offense, and Roethlisberger is one heck of a talent.
4. NY Giants: Robert Gallery, OT
The Giants have problems on the Oline. Gallery will be an anchor.
5. Washington: Sean Taylor, S
Too good to pass up. Winslow is a consideration, but Taylor will help make the ‘skin’s secondary one of the best.
6. Detroit: Steven Jackson, RB
Jackson completes what the Lions hope will be their version of the “triplets” in Harrington, Rogers and Jackson.
7. Atlanta: Roy Williams, WR
Mike Vick needs a WR that will develop with him. Williams is a steal at this point in the draft.
8. Cleveland: Shawn Andrews, OT
Cleveland has an anemic running game, but a couple of backs with promise. What gives? The o-line, that’s what.
9. Jacksonville: Kellen Winslow, Jr.
The Jags need more weapons for Leftwich. Kevin Johnson is a great addition, Jimmy Smith has a couple more years, and Winslow will make a nice safety blanket for Lefty.
10. Houston: Tommie Harris, DT
The Texans are fortunate he falls to them here. Should help the defense immediately.
11. Pittsburgh: Drew Henson, QB
Houston can’t hang on to him, so he re-enters the draft and Pittsburgh has either their next Bradshaw or their next scapegoat.
 
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Originally posted by Pariah
Here’s my revised take on the first round of the 2004 NFL Draft. It assumes Mike Williams enters, and Drew Henson will be traded and signed, and will not re-enter the draft. So, the top 11 has been shuffled but the rest of the draft remains the same. I also included the top 11 of my original attempt so you can see the difference.

Take it apart, boys…

1. San Diego: Eli Manning, QB
Yeah, Mike Williams makes them think twice, but they go with the name and relative security that Manning will not bust.
2. Oakland: Mike Williams, WR
They already have a deep threat in Porter, and had been eyeing Fitzgerald as his counterpart, but Mike Williams is a talent too special to pass up.
3. Arizona: Larry Fitzgerald, WR
Denny ignores Pariah’s pleadings to take Roethlisberger and selects his protégé.
4. Pittsburgh (trade with NYG): Ben Roethlisberger, QB
The Steelers seize the opportunity to draft their next Bradshaw. The future of their passing attack looks good.
5. Washington: Robert Gallery, OT
Step one in re-building the Hogs. Gibbs is a freaking genius.
6. Detroit: Sean Taylor, RB
Mooch had his eye on a RB, but only because he didn’t think Taylor would get this far. No- brainer; Taylor is the best athlete/player in the draft.
7. Atlanta: Roy Williams, WR
Mike Vick needs a WR that will develop with him. Williams is a steal at this point in the draft.
8. Cleveland: Shawn Andrews, OT
Cleveland has an anemic running game, but a couple of backs with promise. What gives? The o-line, that’s what.
9. Jacksonville: Kellen Winslow, Jr.
The Jags need more weapons for Leftwich. Kevin Johnson is a great addition, Jimmy Smith has a couple more years, and Winslow will make a nice safety blanket for Lefty.
10. Houston: Tommie Harris, DT
The Texans are fortunate he falls to them here. Should help the defense immediately.
11. New York Giants: Steven Jackson, RB
The Giants have a new regime in town, and a number of needs, which is why they make the trade with Pittsburgh – NYG #1 for Pitt’s #11, a third and Burress. Jackson is the best value on the board at this point, and will compete with Mr. Average, Tiki Barber.
12. NY Jets: Reggie Williams, WR
See ATL and JAX, Pennington needs toys.
13. Buffalo: Chris Gamble, CB
In an effort to replace Winefield (who was lost to AZ in FA ;) ), the Bills use their top pick on a CB.
14. Chicago: Vince Wilfolk, DT
The Bears had a lot of success a couple of years ago with giant bodies in the middle eating up blockers, allowing their speedy LBs to make plays. They’re much closer to that type of success once again with Wilfolk.
15. Tampa Bay: Michael Clayton, WR
I’m not sold on the idea that McCardell can carry a passing game on his shoulders. Clayton gives the Bucs a prototype WR.
16. San Francisco: Kenechi Udeze, DE
San Fran steels Udeze at #16. He’s possibly a top-ten talent.
17. Cincinnati: Will Smith, DE
See above.
18. New Orleans: DJ Williams, LB
Lots to choose from—NO needs LBs and CBs, and there’s a ton of talent on the board at this point.
19. Minnesota: Derrick Strait, CB
The Vikings pass coverage is as bad as Moss is good. I’ll bet Moss had fun in practice last year.
20. Miami: Jacob Rogers, OT
Ricky Williams is the engine that makes the Dolphins’ offense go, but he can’t do it alone.
21. New England (from Balt.): Kevin Jones, RB
Antwoin Smith? Kevin Faulk? It’s truly amazing the offense works as well as it does.
22. Dallas: Karlos Dansby, LB
A LB that can rush the QB…sound like someone Parcells might make a star? Dallas was licking its chops watching K. Jones fall as far as he did, but just missed, so LB is the call here.
23. Seattle: DeAngelo Hall, CB
…and a terrific young secondary is built.
24. Denver: Rashaun Woods, WR
McCaffery and Smith are getting older, Lelie shows flashes, but can’t do it himself. Woods is a great value here. DT is also a good value at this point, but I think Shanny has a lot riding on his QB selection and will try to help him out with this pick.
25. Green Bay: Phillip Rivers, QB
Brett Favre’s successor.
26. St. Louis: Randy Starks, DT
The Rams are in the enviable position to be making a 1st round selection purely on talent; they don’t appear to have any glaring holes to fill. I think Starks is probably the best available at this point.
27. Titans: Michael Jenkins, WR
Not exactly a vote of confidence in the no-name WRs that played so well this season for McNair (the final play of the season not withstanding).
28. Philadelphia: Matt Ware, CB
Poor Eagles. They had their eye on a bunch of the WRs in round 1, but the ones they covet are all off the board. They replace the CB they lose to FA. They reach for Ware because of his size.
29. Indianapolis: Marcus Tubbs, DT
Beef. It’s what’s for dinner. The Colts add size in the middle.
30. Kansas City: Kewain Ratliff, CB
Sure, the Chefs can score 30 every game, but it seems down the stretch they were just as likely to give up 31.
31. Carolina: Michael Boulware, LB
Building on their strength, the Panthers add more speed to an already great defense.
32. New England: Jonathan Vilma, LB
The Pat’s LBs are getting a little long in the tooth. Vilma is probably a pretty good value here.

Very good mock, but I don't see Strait going ahead of Hall (in fact, I see Robinson going ahead of Strait as well) , or Udeze slipping past Buffalo.

Ware probably won't be a 1st rounder, and Carolina goes corner.

Again, great mock!

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Re: Re: Pariah's First Round Mock, v.2

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Very good mock, but I don't see Strait going ahead of Hall (in fact, I see Robinson going ahead of Strait as well) , or Udeze slipping past Buffalo.

Ware probably won't be a 1st rounder, and Carolina goes corner.

Again, great mock!

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Feel much the same as Krang on this re the CB's

If Marquise Hall is not drafted in the bottom of the 1st and is available to us at #33, I'd go gaga.
 

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I don't see how St. Louis takes Starks, after they took Jimmy Kennedy in the top 15 or so last season, and after free agency will have a starting job. I don't know who they'd take, but it won't be another DT.
 
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Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't see how St. Louis takes Starks, after they took Jimmy Kennedy in the top 15 or so last season, and after free agency will have a starting job. I don't know who they'd take, but it won't be another DT.
Yeah, I thought about that. But like I said, I can't see any gaping needs, and I like Starks. In a couple of years that could be one tough team to run on if they grab him.
 

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Originally posted by Pariah
Yeah, I thought about that. But like I said, I can't see any gaping needs, and I like Starks. In a couple of years that could be one tough team to run on if they grab him.

They could always use DBs.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Pariah's First Round Mock, v.2

Originally posted by spanky1
Feel much the same as Krang on this re the CB's

If Marquise Hall is not drafted in the bottom of the 1st and is available to us at #33, I'd go gaga.

Sorry.......meant Hill not Hall
 

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Love the top 3! :thumbup: I don't see the Giants trading down though. I think Gallery is the player they really covet.

I also don't see Udeze falling that far.

And Cleveland drafts 7th, Atlanta 8th. :D
 
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I guess it is an OK mock. I dislike mocks with trades built in because it makes assumptions that are a bit of a reach. Couple of things about it though:

Udeze will never get to #16.

I doubt K Jones will get past Chicago...even though your logic for Wilfork is sound.

Shawn Andrews, at least as it appears to me, isn't what I would consider a top 10 pick. In fact, I think there are some serious weight questions even though he dropped weight prior to the combine...and somewhere, someone was questioning his smarts.
 

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Re: #33

Originally posted by stretchthefield
CB Will Poole @ #33!!!

Actually, that's whom I'll bet the Rams take at 26 overall. Poole would be great value at #26.
 

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Decent mock. I have to agree Udeze is a top 10 pick. Not sure what Pittsburgh has to trade up to the 4th with other than Burress, and not sure NY wants to trade that far down in the draft.

Gibbs is nothing close to a genius this offseason. Let's get a QB when we have one who probably can be a pro bowler soon, then not trade our promising backup with HUGE market value to a team like Miami for any number of offered picks/players. Hey, let's also franchise and trade our best player because we just paid that 33 year old QB 8.1 million a year!!! Not to mention the young, potential pro bowler we made mad by benching.... his agent is the agent for our only decent O-Lineman with a HUGE cap number who has now publically stated he won't work with the team to help thier cap woes......

Not digging it so far.
 

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Originally posted by Renz
Love the top 3! :thumbup: I don't see the Giants trading down though. I think Gallery is the player they really covet.

I also don't see Udeze falling that far.

And Cleveland drafts 7th, Atlanta 8th. :D

I love thid mock also. However, I especially like the trade. It makes sense to me, and it makes sense for NY, IMO.
 
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All fair critisisms. I don't have an answer for some, others I'll try to explain my thought process.

Udeze: Teams that need help at DE have the opportunity to get better players, IMO. tThat's why I had him dropping further than most expect. Maybe Washington takes him, but I think they'll work on that o-line.

CBs: This looks like a cluster-you-know-what for CBs in this draft. Yeah, there are a lot of guys with tons of potential, but no one really stands out. I think it'll be a crap shoot on draft day in regards to which one goes where. Maybe I should have had STL take a CB, but I thought Starks was the better value.

The Trade: I went back and forth about including it. I think someone will trade up, but obviously the Pitt/NYG is just a guess. I think Pittsburgh would really like to have Ben or Eli, and I think Burress and a third might get them there.

"Gibbs is a genius" comment: I personally think he's making al the right moves. It looks like he's going to get great value out of a guy that would have likely otherwise walked (ala D. Boston), he evaluted his QB, and what he saw obviously left him thinking he needs some more mentoring, but hasn't traded away the future of the team at the position. The Skins are much closer to being a contender after these moves than they were 2 weeks ago, IMO.

Thanks for all of your feedback!
 
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Yeas, definately the Skins are going the right direction, but there wasn't much of another direction to go but up. I just think the way he's doing it will self destruct in a season or two. I think this year's draft has a lot of talent and a lot of ways teams can go!!!
 
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