Paris Lenon

[Cheesebeef]

Rob Fredrickson would be a better analogy

At least he was a LBer.

he was a productive LBer. big difference.

 

[CardLogic]

I'd say we're about due for another team's castoff to come to Arizona and do really well. Lord knows we had enough go the other way.

Amen, brother!

 

[Shane]

he was a productive LBer. big difference.

He was kind of productive while here. Not overly good or bad IMO. Bu tlook at his production prior to AZ. Hopefully Lenon will have a similar path and has his best years with us at 33 YOA

http://www.nfl.com/players/robfredrickson/careerstats?id=FRE105786

 

[lobo]

This is my thought exactly.

I share your thoughts...........also

vis a vis "what esle would they say?" that's an easy answer, if they did not think he exceeded expectations, ya' know what would be said.........
nothing

 

[Cheesebeef]

He was kind of productive while here. Not overly good or bad IMO. Bu tlook at his production prior to AZ. Hopefully Lenon will have a similar path and has his best years with us at 33 YOA

http://www.nfl.com/players/robfredrickson/careerstats?id=FRE105786

fredrickson was a full-time starter on teams that went 10-6, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9 on decent defenses. lenon has been on on and off starter for the worst two teams in the league the last four years. there's no comparing him to fredrickson who was a solid LBer.

come on guys, let's not rewrite history here. I remember when we signed him and I got killed for saying that we signed him to be a starter and everyone and their mother assured me he was simply camp-fodder, special teams/depth. That's what he SHOULD be, unfortunately, at this point, he seems like our best player at ILB, which is terrifying.

 

[kerouac9]

Well, he impressed the Cards enough to get a multi-year contract.

A contract that was apparently so small the agent was ashamed to release the details to the press. I cannot find any details on what that contract was actually worth. If it's three years at minimum salary and a nominal signing bonus, this is hardly a feather in his cap.

so did Terrence Holt... who is what I fear Lennon will be.

Or Bryant McFadden. Or Travis LaBoy. Or L.J. Shelton. Or Oliver Ross. Etc., etc.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

fredrickson was a full-time starter on teams that went 10-6, 9-7, 8-8, 7-9 on decent defenses. lenon has been on on and off starter for the worst two teams in the league the last four years. there's no comparing him to fredrickson who was a solid LBer.

come on guys, let's not rewrite history here. I remember when we signed him and I got killed for saying that we signed him to be a starter and everyone and their mother assured me he was simply camp-fodder, special teams/depth. That's what he SHOULD be, unfortunately, at this point, he seems like our best player at ILB, which is terrifying.

yeah, before we picked him up fredrickson was a good all around linebacker. if we had ADDED him to our LB corps instead of signing him as a REPLACEMENT to jamir miller people would have thought differently of him. b/c he was a replacement for a better player he was a relative disappointment. but he wasn't the nondescript player that lenon is prior to joining the cards.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

A contract that was apparently so small the agent was ashamed to release the details to the press. I cannot find any details on what that contract was actually worth. If it's three years at minimum salary and a nominal signing bonus, this is hardly a feather in his cap.



Or Bryant McFadden. Or Travis LaBoy. Or L.J. Shelton. Or Oliver Ross. Etc., etc.

Well, I don't know the numbers either, but - venture to say that its probably more than you suggest. Point, however, is they were more impressed with Lenon than you are.

How does LJ, who was drafted, fit into this list?

 

[kerouac9]

Well, I don't know the numbers either, but - venture to say that its probably more than you suggest. Point, however, is they were more impressed with Lenon than you are.

How does LJ, who was drafted, fit into this list?

I believe that he was cut from the team the year after Graves gave him an extension. Just another contract mistake feather in Graves' hat.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I believe that he was cut from the team the year after Graves gave him an extension. Just another contract mistake feather in Graves' hat.

It is debatable whether this falls under contract mistake or questionable cut by Dennis Green. Shelton put in 10 years and was a starter in Cleveland and Miami after he left.

 

[40yearfan]

Like K9 & Big red said what do you expect him to say? When's the last time you heard a NFL coach say one of his starters sucks publicly?

The thing of it is that Wiz didn't have to say a thing. He volunteered the information. As we all know, Wiz isn't one to embellish and he doesn't mince his words. If he says Lenon is having a good camp, I see no reason to doubt his word.

 

[PJ1]

Not sure whether Lenon can be productive but a positive report from the coaches can't be bad news.

Will have to watch the tape of the Rams games last year. To be honest I didn't know who he was when we signed him.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

come on guys, let's not rewrite history here. I remember when we signed him and I got killed for saying that we signed him to be a starter and everyone and their mother assured me he was simply camp-fodder, special teams/depth. That's what he SHOULD be, unfortunately, at this point, he seems like our best player at ILB, which is terrifying.

That's funny. My man cheese, pleading for rationalism on a message board. Good luck cheese!

Hopefully the answer to this trivia question will keep the Paris Lenon flavor kool aid flowing:

It's not a perfect comparison. But we have had one recent FA signing (this person played on Cardinals SB team) that also came from a bad team and also had very low expectations. Almost as low as Lenon.

Yet during 2008, he played fairly well at a very important position, and by most accounts far exceeded his pre-season performance predictions. He was at least a pleasant surprise. Unfortunately, his SB performance was perhaps his worst game of the season, but he definitely helped to get us there.

Who is he?

 

[Buckybird]

Or Bryant McFadden. Or Travis LaBoy. Or L.J. Shelton. Or Oliver Ross. Etc., etc.

...and on & on & on.


Sure is ironic that the Cards draft reasonably & let many solid players go to other teams but are less successful in free agency. Since the DG era the only guys that come to mind are Warner, Berry, Graham, Rackers, Edge & Gandy. Definately more duds than studs!!!

 

[Buckybird]

That's funny. My man cheese, pleading for rationalism on a message board. Good luck cheese!

Hopefully the answer to this trivia question will keep the Paris Lenon flavor kool aid flowing:

It's not a perfect comparison. But we have had one recent FA signing (this person played on Cardinals SB team) that also came from a bad team and also had very low expectations. Almost as low as Lenon.

Yet during 2008, he played fairly well at a very important position, and by most accounts far exceeded his pre-season performance predictions. He was at least a pleasant surprise. Unfortunately, his SB performance was perhaps his worst game of the season, but he definitely helped to get us there.

Who is he?

Mike Gandy

 

[PJ1]

That's funny. My man cheese, pleading for rationalism on a message board. Good luck cheese!

Hopefully the answer to this trivia question will keep the Paris Lenon flavor kool aid flowing:

It's not a perfect comparison. But we have had one recent FA signing (this person played on Cardinals SB team) that also came from a bad team and also had very low expectations. Almost as low as Lenon.

Yet during 2008, he played fairly well at a very important position, and by most accounts far exceeded his pre-season performance predictions. He was at least a pleasant surprise. Unfortunately, his SB performance was perhaps his worst game of the season, but he definitely helped to get us there.

Who is he?

Gandy?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Gandy?

That was too easy for good fans like you PJ and Bucky.

Everyone though Gandy was a disaster waiting to happen, but he held up pretty well at LT.

I'm not saying that well happen with Lenon, but our coaches have shown the ability to make people better.

I'm very interested to see how he does in the pre season games.

 

[PJ1]

That was too easy for good fans like you PJ and Bucky.

Everyone though Gandy was a disaster waiting to happen, but he held up pretty well at LT.

I'm not saying that well happen with Lenon, but our coaches have shown the ability to make people better.

I'm very interested to see how he does in the pre season games.

I recall the Gandy can play guard but will be destroyed at tackle talk. Turned out to be a solid signing.

 

[187]

Profootballfocus.com shows that Lenon was actually pretty solid against the run last year. Who knows, maybe playing ILB in a 3-4 will fit him better than playing in a 4-3. If he ends up replacing Hayes due to his injury we just need him to thump anything that runs through his gap, hopefully DW can make an impact. I'm not expecting much from Lenon, but I think he will prove to be serviceable. He was definitely productive tackle wise in his two years with Detroit, but that doesn't tell the entire story and I haven't seen any game film of him outside of when we played STL (when I had no idea or care for who he was).

 

[Bert]

I think it's funny when people argue passionately about a player they have probably never seen play a down of football they've only looked at stats and form this ROCK SOLID OMG IM RIGHT AND UR WRONG opinion about them based on paper.

Coach says the guy looks good, good enough for me. We'll see when the games start wont we?

 

[kerouac9]

I think it's funny when people argue passionately about a player they have probably never seen play a down of football they've only looked at stats and form this ROCK SOLID OMG IM RIGHT AND UR WRONG opinion about them based on paper.

Coach says the guy looks good, good enough for me. We'll see when the games start wont we?

Dude, we all saw him play twice last year with the Rams and once in each of 2006 and 2007 with the Lions. Get over yourself.

It's remarkable that Paris Lenon hadn't made a positive impression on anyone on this board based on how often we've seen him. Comparatively, I remember people thinking we should claim Pino Tinoisomoa off waivers when he was released by the Rams because he was all right three or four seasons ago.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

if you're in the nfl and you're anything but a fat lineman or skinny corner you usually "look the part." these dudes are all enormous these days. i remember meeting vance johnson (remember him? one of the 3 amigos back in the day with the broncos - wr?) and he was just yoked. i was shocked that an nfl receiver was that big. looking the part doesn't get the job done.

I remember. I was living in Denver at the time.

 

[joeshmo]

A contract that was apparently so small the agent was ashamed to release the details to the press. I cannot find any details on what that contract was actually worth. If it's three years at minimum salary and a nominal signing bonus, this is hardly a feather in his cap.

Despite popular opinion not all agents play the media game, not all agents shell out their players or their own business to the mass media. Big or small contracts doesn't matter.

Anyways his numbers are as follows -

2009 - 900k (min is 720k)
2010 - 1.4 mill
2011 - 1.4 mill
Signing bonus - 500k
Workout bonus - 100k

Basically it is a one year 1.5 mill contract

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think it's funny when people argue passionately about a player they have probably never seen play a down of football they've only looked at stats and form this ROCK SOLID OMG IM RIGHT AND UR WRONG opinion about them based on paper.

Coach says the guy looks good, good enough for me. We'll see when the games start wont we?

Agreed. Go back and read how many people on here buried Warner before he ever played a game as a Cardinal.

 

[JeffGollin]

Lots of certainty on this thread.

Yet - none of us have seen Lenon in action in a Cardinal uniform yet. Some guys play better/worse in new settings.

(Note - An interesting comment by either Millen or Mora on the teevee: Smart FO's love to uncover & sign FA's who were "good players on bad teams").

Just sayin'.