Patrick Peterson perspective

[Chopper0080]

Some folks have been critical regarding Patrick Peterson, and I just thought I would clarify some things.

1-Peterson is not the best CB in the league. He isn't. He is ONE of the best, and he is also one of the youngest of that tier. He struggles with some route recognition, concentration, and he struggles in the slot with his larger frame. That being said, he is freakishly athletic, and has the skills to be a top CB for many years.

2-Peterson plays a bunch of man coverage, sometimes without safety help over the top. That can lead to big plays.

3-Peterson has gotten some fair criticism this year, but today is where it can be undue criticism.

A: The Desean Jackson touchdown, Peterson played it right. He was over Jackson in the slot. He forced Jackson to release outside, stayed with inside leverage reading the post, and flipped around to make a play on the ball. He missed, Jackson caught it, and scored a huge touchdown. What is missed is that Mathieu has help responsibility over the top. If he is where he is supposed to be, it is just a really accurate throw which results in a decent play. Instead, because Mathieu is late, Jackson goes for a touchdown.

B: The Garcon TD. This time Peterson is lined up outside, so he has to honor the fade or back shoulder. Peterson plays outside leverage knowing he has help to the inside. There is a TE (I believe) lined up inside of Garcon, so Peterson plays up to try and avoid getting picked. The Redskins run a pick route combination, which generates a small window, and Garcon catches a TD. What is missed is Foote who has hook/curl responsibility, and is slow getting over. Foote's assignment is designed to cover that route combination, but because he is late, Garcon catches the TD, and Peterson looks bad.

Again, this isn't to say Peterson played a flawless game, but he is getting some criticism which is undeserved. He is a really good player, and has been playing well this year, especially with our pass rush issues.

 

[Buckybird]

The biggest problem I have with him is he rarely uses his hands to reroute & jam WRs in man to man. IMO that's his biggest weakness & Wolfley ripped him to shreds after the 2nd TD he allowed.

When PP21 is getting the big buck$ he should be playing better than he has. Is it me or when he goes against most of the top flight WRs he usually has his worst games?

 

[GatorAZ]

He's never struck me as elite or close to it. Then again how can any corner in today's game? Even guys like Sherman and Haden are playing below their standards...

Starting to think teams shouldn't invest big money into that position...

 

[Chopper0080]

The biggest problem I have with him is he rarely uses his hands to reroute & jam WRs in man to man. IMO that's his biggest weakness & Wolfley ripped him to shreds after the 2nd TD he allowed.

When PP21 is getting the big buck$ he should be playing better than he has. Is it me or when he goes against most of the top flight WRs he usually has his worst games?

I agree, but when you are getting calls like he did in the Giants game, you try and rely more on your feet. Also, jamming comes with a bit of risk. You have initiate contact early in the route, and if you miss on best WRs, it can be impossible to make up.

Long story, short, I agree Peterson needs to play better with his hands, but I am ok with him working on other areas to not have to depend on it.

The second TD wasn't about not using his hands. Wolfley should see that. Peterson had to play with outside leverage, and played as close as he could, which led to him getting affected by the rub route. The play is designed to beat man coverage, and the defenses only chance to stop it is a flag for offensive PI OR the LB breaking up the pass.

 

[Chopper0080]

He's never struck me as elite or close to it. Then again how can any corner in today's game? Even guys like Sherman and Haden are playing below their standards...

Starting to think teams shouldn't invest big money into that position...

He is worth it, and even more so if you have a pass rush. Has the talent to shut down a part of the field. He is a special player.

 

[juza76]

He is worth it, and even more so if you have a pass rush. Has the talent to shut down a part of the field. He is a special player.

Does the new rules make those elite corner looks like they are having a sub par season

 

[Snakester]

Peterson needs to jam the receivers at the line with his size. He is letting them run free instead of smacking the shise out of them in the first five yards. When he starts doing that then he will become a top ten CB

 

[Shaggy]

Just wish he would play closer. I don't think he has had a ball batted away yet. Just plays to far from coverage to contest a pass. I like PP, but to me he isn't playing as good as I know he can.

 

[sunsfan88]

CB is the 2nd hardest position (after QB) to play in the NFL.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Peterson needs to jam the receivers at the line with his size. He is letting them run free instead of smacking the shise out of them in the first five yards. When he starts doing that then he will become a top ten CB

The issue with this is (since he doesn't have help over the top all the time) if he doesn't get a good jam at the line he is susceptible to giving up the big gain over the top.

 

[Garthshort]

It's certainly not his 'finest hour', at least so far. And in my uneducated opinion, our best QB has been Jeraud Powers. One thing I never understood about the "pick play" where a WR will use another WR to pick off the DB, is why the DB's don't just switch their assignment. In effect play zone rather than man. Anyone know?

 

[Jetstream Green]

It's certainly not his 'finest hour', at least so far. And in my uneducated opinion, our best QB has been Jeraud Powers. One thing I never understood about the "pick play" where a WR will use another WR to pick off the DB, is why the DB's don't just switch their assignment. In effect play zone rather than man. Anyone know?

Powers in a normal NFL season before all the rule changes would be a good corner and Peterson a great corner but I have given up trying to even rate a position where the rules hamper what a guy can do so much. During the game I was thinking to myself that this secondary is way overrated but then I consider what they are allowed to do and it is hard to fault anything. Peterson got close on one play without grabbing at what appeared contact right when the ball arrived and he was flagged... makes a guy not even consider putting their hands on a receiver at all lol

 

[Russ Smith]

Some folks have been critical regarding Patrick Peterson, and I just thought I would clarify some things.

1-Peterson is not the best CB in the league. He isn't. He is ONE of the best, and he is also one of the youngest of that tier. He struggles with some route recognition, concentration, and he struggles in the slot with his larger frame. That being said, he is freakishly athletic, and has the skills to be a top CB for many years.

2-Peterson plays a bunch of man coverage, sometimes without safety help over the top. That can lead to big plays.

3-Peterson has gotten some fair criticism this year, but today is where it can be undue criticism.

A: The Desean Jackson touchdown, Peterson played it right. He was over Jackson in the slot. He forced Jackson to release outside, stayed with inside leverage reading the post, and flipped around to make a play on the ball. He missed, Jackson caught it, and scored a huge touchdown. What is missed is that Mathieu has help responsibility over the top. If he is where he is supposed to be, it is just a really accurate throw which results in a decent play. Instead, because Mathieu is late, Jackson goes for a touchdown.

B: The Garcon TD. This time Peterson is lined up outside, so he has to honor the fade or back shoulder. Peterson plays outside leverage knowing he has help to the inside. There is a TE (I believe) lined up inside of Garcon, so Peterson plays up to try and avoid getting picked. The Redskins run a pick route combination, which generates a small window, and Garcon catches a TD. What is missed is Foote who has hook/curl responsibility, and is slow getting over. Foote's assignment is designed to cover that route combination, but because he is late, Garcon catches the TD, and Peterson looks bad.

Again, this isn't to say Peterson played a flawless game, but he is getting some criticism which is undeserved. He is a really good player, and has been playing well this year, especially with our pass rush issues.

Anybody blaming PP for the Jackson TD just doesn't understand football. that was totally on HB, he was as you said late and turned a 10 yard gain into a TD.

On the Garcon TD perfect example we had a blitz on again, HB leaps to try and bat the pass but they get it off and PP has man coverage and Garcon makes the catch. There isn't another CB in the league who plays that much man.

 

[Cardiac]

Some folks have been critical regarding Patrick Peterson, and I just thought I would clarify some things.

1-Peterson is not the best CB in the league. He isn't. He is ONE of the best, and he is also one of the youngest of that tier. He struggles with some route recognition, concentration, and he struggles in the slot with his larger frame. That being said, he is freakishly athletic, and has the skills to be a top CB for many years.

2-Peterson plays a bunch of man coverage, sometimes without safety help over the top. That can lead to big plays.

3-Peterson has gotten some fair criticism this year, but today is where it can be undue criticism.

A: The Desean Jackson touchdown, Peterson played it right. He was over Jackson in the slot. He forced Jackson to release outside, stayed with inside leverage reading the post, and flipped around to make a play on the ball. He missed, Jackson caught it, and scored a huge touchdown. What is missed is that Mathieu has help responsibility over the top. If he is where he is supposed to be, it is just a really accurate throw which results in a decent play. Instead, because Mathieu is late, Jackson goes for a touchdown.

B: The Garcon TD. This time Peterson is lined up outside, so he has to honor the fade or back shoulder. Peterson plays outside leverage knowing he has help to the inside. There is a TE (I believe) lined up inside of Garcon, so Peterson plays up to try and avoid getting picked. The Redskins run a pick route combination, which generates a small window, and Garcon catches a TD. What is missed is Foote who has hook/curl responsibility, and is slow getting over. Foote's assignment is designed to cover that route combination, but because he is late, Garcon catches the TD, and Peterson looks bad.

Again, this isn't to say Peterson played a flawless game, but he is getting some criticism which is undeserved. He is a really good player, and has been playing well this year, especially with our pass rush issues.

Great post Chopper and thanks for the knowledge.

It does get frustrating during a game to see "PP allow" TD's and long gains so those who know schemes and responsibilities and take the time post it should know it's appreciated.

 

[Russ Smith]

The reality is that you cannot play defense the way we play defense without a CB like PP. Look at what Denver did to us once PP left the game.

You can't blitz that much if you don't have CB's who can play without help.

 

[Finito]

It's been brought up but damn the guy has no help back there. You have any idea how much worse it could be if we didn't have Peterson we play extremely aggressive pretty much leaving him one on one all the time. Is he perfect? No but what Corner is they all have flaws then you factor in the new rules its damn near impossible now.

I'd take him on my team any day of the week

 

[GuernseyCard]

Last week Cro... this week PP21. Let's hope they got their bad games out of the way.

 

[Finito]

Last week Cro... this week PP21. Let's hope they got their bad games out of the way.

You can't compare the games Cromartie had last week to Petersons yesterday

 

[gmabel830]

Peterson needs to jam the receivers at the line with his size. He is letting them run free instead of smacking the shise out of them in the first five yards. When he starts doing that then he will become a top ten CB

If you don't have safety help, which Peterson doesn't a lot of the time, and you jam the receiver and he gets by you, doesn't he have a clear path to the end zone? EDIT: saw someone else posted which essentially the same reply earlier, and can't figure out how to delete.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You can't compare the games Cromartie had last week to Petersons yesterday

I can and have. Both played poorly.

 

[TJ]

An anonymous poster told me I was making excuses about PP21's playmaking in the game day thread for these very reasons. Oftentimes, we simply don't know who's responsible for what portion of the field until we look at the game tape. The first TD catch, Peterson got turned around, but was in position to tackle d-jax. Any other receiver and PP21 makes
The tackled, but HB should've had him.

The second, Peterson was picked, which allowed his man to slant uncontested. Foote should've been there to support.

Peterson is under a heavy microscope due to the big contract, but I think oftentimes, we as fans don't see the big picture.

 

[Catfish]

Chopper, I am right there with you on this one.

PP is a terrific talent, (but not the best). Today he played with lingering injury, left over from the turned ankle last week. Did people not see him limping on the sideline when the offense was on the field? I have, on occasion, been hard on him with criticism, but not this game. Not today. I believe that he played about as well as he could on this day, (and it was good enough).

Arians said it best. "This was a team win". I believe that covers it all. Everyone did well enough putting the necessary pieces together to get a win today. Not pretty, (not even close to pretty). More like coyote ugly, but a beautiful win none the less that leaves us alone atop our division. This was an 'effort' win, and every roster player gave enough effort to get the job done. They found a way. Therefore I have no grief to hand out today at all. I'm just basking in the 'W'.

 

[Cheesebeef]

An anonymous poster told me I was making excuses about PP21's playmaking in the game day thread for these very reasons. Oftentimes, we simply don't know who's responsible for what portion of the field until we look at the game tape. The first TD catch, Peterson got turned around, but was in position to tackle d-jax. Any other receiver and PP21 makes
The tackled, but HB should've had him.

The second, Peterson was picked, which allowed his man to slant uncontested. Foote should've been there to support.

Peterson is under a heavy microscope due to the big contract, but I think oftentimes, we as fans don't see the big picture.

apparently, the "anonymous poster" AND our GM don't see the big picture. But hey... what does Keim know?

"Cornerback Patrick Peterson apparently gave up two touchdowns (it's hard to say definitively without knowing the coverage), and Keim said he understands the frustration some fans have with Peterson.

"When Pat gets in trouble, it's a tendency to not focus and a lack of intensity for 60 minutes," Keim said. "That's on him."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ell-in-win-over-washington-redskins/17189059/

bottom line for this poster... PP's got all the tools, but I'm still waiting for him to actually put them all together.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Unfortunately we have seen "best" and PP21 is not close to being Aeneas Williams good. Maybe he will be one day, but he is too undisciplined to be that good in his current form.

Personally...... I haven't seen much growth YOY yet. In fact, it should concern us that he hasn't "gotten it" yet even though his role has become more focused.

 

[Russ Smith]

An anonymous poster told me I was making excuses about PP21's playmaking in the game day thread for these very reasons. Oftentimes, we simply don't know who's responsible for what portion of the field until we look at the game tape. The first TD catch, Peterson got turned around, but was in position to tackle d-jax. Any other receiver and PP21 makes
The tackled, but HB should've had him.

The second, Peterson was picked, which allowed his man to slant uncontested. Foote should've been there to support.

Peterson is under a heavy microscope due to the big contract, but I think oftentimes, we as fans don't see the big picture.

I think people don't grasp that in the NFL it's damn near impossible to cover WR's man to man without ever giving up TD's, especially now that pick plays are essentially legal.

I had a horrible feed yesterday so I was watching much of the game on redzone when they switched over from the Dallas game. I watched enough of that game to see how much easier it is for Sherman, he's a hell of a player but when he was on Dez Bryant they almost always had safety help, and they get pressure on you without rushing 6 or 7 guys. We can't get a pass rush without blitzing and that forces PP etc to play on an island.