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Also, I keep hearing how Peterson isn't up to par with Revis, Talib, and Sherman.

While that may be true, Peterson is the youngest of that bunch.

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Peterson-24

Not a real shock if he isn't as technical as these other CBs who have had several more years to refine their technique.

This is like hammering on Calais Campbell because he misses so many sacks. Does he need to improve it...yes. Does that make him a bad player...no.
 

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I don't put full blame on Peterson... I just find his play this year to be lacking. he CAN be better and that doesn't seem to be a minority opinion with either fans or the people that run the team.

Right. At his rate of pay, he should have his mental issues worked out by now.

Also, I keep hearing how Peterson isn't up to par with Revis, Talib, and Sherman.

While that may be true, Peterson is the youngest of that bunch.

Revis-29
Talib-28
Sherman-26
Peterson-24

Not a real shock if he isn't as technical as these other CBs who have had several more years to refine their technique.

Younger, but not a youngster. You don't get forever to develop in the NFL any more. He's in, what, his fourth season now? The 'he needs time to refine his technique' excuses hold exactly NO water. He's had time, plenty of time, and now he has the big contract. We shouldn't blame every TD or catch on him, but he damn well should be at his best by now. You can't seriously argue he needs more time, being in his fourth season. Not a chance.

I remember the days I'd argue against expecting any real contribution out of a draft pick the first season, and the days when a drafted WR wasn't expected to really contribute until the third season. Those days are long gone, but even then, CB was one of the easier positions to learn. Yes, nowadays, the rules have made it harder on CBs, but he signed the contract for all the cheddar, so he's going to get criticism when he doesn't play at that level. Period, perfectly fair, end of story.
 

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Also, I keep hearing how Peterson isn't up to par with Revis, Talib, and Sherman.

While that may be true, Peterson is the youngest of that bunch.

Revis-29
Talib-28
Sherman-26
Peterson-24

Not a real shock if he isn't as technical as these other CBs who have had several more years to refine their technique.

This is like hammering on Calais Campbell because he misses so many sacks. Does he need to improve it...yes. Does that make him a bad player...no.

For me the bigger argument is you can't compare the 4 because they don't all play the same defense.

None of those other 3 are in man defense almost every pass play, and none of them play on teams that blitz as much as we do so they have no safety help.

Woodson the ex Cowboy was asked about Revis last week and he said he's not as good as he used to be but he's still really good. He said the days of a CB playing man to man that much are over in the NFL, and then said the one elite CB that still does it is .... Patrick Peterson. Note he didn't say PP was the best he simply said no other CB in the NFL has as tough a job as PP does because of the Cards scheme on defense.
 

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To me, as soon as Cardinals took the punt returning and the occasional WR spot for Peterson, he got soft. The "risk" of getting hurt is taking away the aggressiveness he once had. I get wanting to keep him healthy by less exposure, but now it seems like he is super fragile. This is just my opinion on this and I am a huge PP fan.
 
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Right. At his rate of pay, he should have his mental issues worked out by now.



Younger, but not a youngster. You don't get forever to develop in the NFL any more. He's in, what, his fourth season now? The 'he needs time to refine his technique' excuses hold exactly NO water. He's had time, plenty of time, and now he has the big contract. We shouldn't blame every TD or catch on him, but he damn well should be at his best by now. You can't seriously argue he needs more time, being in his fourth season. Not a chance.

I remember the days I'd argue against expecting any real contribution out of a draft pick the first season, and the days when a drafted WR wasn't expected to really contribute until the third season. Those days are long gone, but even then, CB was one of the easier positions to learn. Yes, nowadays, the rules have made it harder on CBs, but he signed the contract for all the cheddar, so he's going to get criticism when he doesn't play at that level. Period, perfectly fair, end of story.

So he is being critcised because he is not the best CB in the NFL despite being the highest paid CB? That is ridiculous. Is that what we are complaining about now? Not crappy edge rushers. Not adaquate OT play. Not Ellington's YPA. Not WR drops. We are complaining because Patrick Peterson isn't the best CB in the league?

I watch a ton of football, and I really feel folks don't realize how good we have it in Peterson. I'm ok with folks wanting more, but he is one of the best CBs in the NFL, and is playing like it. We have significantly greater issues than him.
 
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To me, as soon as Cardinals took the punt returning and the occasional WR spot for Peterson, he got soft. The "risk" of getting hurt is taking away the aggressiveness he once had. I get wanting to keep him healthy by less exposure, but now it seems like he is super fragile. This is just my opinion on this and I am a huge PP fan.

I just don't get any of this.
 

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Pat needs to play better

i dont think he can be completely exonerated for the DeSean Jackson td either -- PP's job on that coverage was to take away an inside route - and Jackson got inside on PP

HB took a bad angle -- but HB as also giving support to CB on the outside WR who was running a go. Said differently -- HB was expecting any ball going to Jackson to be one between the numbers and the sideline -- because PP was supposed to stop anything inside of him.
 

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i dont think he can be completely exonerated for the DeSean Jackson td either -- PP's job on that coverage was to take away an inside route - and Jackson got inside on PP

HB took a bad angle -- but HB as also giving support to CB on the outside WR who was running a go. Said differently -- HB was expecting any ball going to Jackson to be one between the numbers and the sideline -- because PP was supposed to stop anything inside of him.

He cut underneath and was all of a foot from knocking the pass.
 

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So Steve Keim just paid him a 5 year 70 million deal with 48 guaranteed and he doesn't think he's playing like an elite DB?

Ok.

AND, after Keim paid PP21 what he wanted, PP21 has failed to live up to Keim's expectations of improved performance and improved results this season. THAT's why Keim and Bowles both keep publicly stating that PP21 needs to improve BECAUSE PP21 is not playing like the "best Corner in the NFL" (Peterson's own words during his public verbal sparring with Sherman this past summer) nor the best Corner on the team.

Its illogical to think as you seem to do that just because Keim agreed to that humongous contract, he cannot now have buyer's remorse due to PP21's continuous dropping level of play as he keeps getting burned by every receiver and QB the Cards have faced so far.

Stiil, it sounds as if YOU believe that you are the superior NFL talent and play performace expert than Bowles and Keim, but no matter your personal dreams of glory, in reality they remain the real experts. And they have been publicly and consistently admitting as well as communicating to PP21 that he ain't cutting it. Because they keep expecting improved play from PP, is there anyone want to keep making excuses for PP?

BTW, man to man coverages is where DBs earn their glory and reputation. The real gravy in the Todd Bowles defense this season is in Cover Zero where man to man coverage must be successful to order to win those crucial games; its where the tire meets the road. When PP does not deliver top play and keeps getting burned, the defense will eventually crumble, sooner than later.. Is that fair? Yes, since they paid AND PP accepted the TOP DB contract in the NFL.
 
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AND, after Keim paid PP21 what he wanted, PP21 has failed to live up to Keim's expectations of improved performance and improved results this season. THAT's why Keim and Bowles both keep publicly stating that PP21 needs to improve BECAUSE PP21 is not playing like the "best Corner in the NFL" (Peterson's own words during his public verbal sparring with Sherman this past summer) nor the best Corner on the team.

Its illogical to think as you seem to do that just because Keim agreed to that humongous contract, he cannot now have buyer's remorse due to PP21's continuous dropping level of play as he keeps getting burned by every receiver and QB the Cards have faced so far.

Stiil, it sounds as if YOU believe that you are the superior NFL talent and play performace expert than Bowles and Keim, but no matter your personal dreams of glory, in reality they remain the real experts. And they have been publicly and consistently admitting as well as communicating to PP21 that he ain't cutting it. Because they keep expecting improved play from PP, is there anyone want to keep making excuses for PP?

BTW, man to man coverages is where DBs earn their glory and reputation. The real gravy in the Todd Bowles defense this season is in Cover Zero where man to man coverage must be successful to order to win those crucial games; its where the tire meets the road. When PP does not deliver top play and keeps getting burned, the defense will eventually crumble, sooner than later.. Is that fair? Yes, since they paid AND PP accepted the TOP DB contract in the NFL.

So who do you feel is playing as the best corner on the team? How do you think they would do playing PP's position & doing what PP is asked to do?
 

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AND, after Keim paid PP21 what he wanted, PP21 has failed to live up to Keim's expectations of improved performance and improved results this season. THAT's why Keim and Bowles both keep publicly stating that PP21 needs to improve BECAUSE PP21 is not playing like the "best Corner in the NFL" (Peterson's own words during his public verbal sparring with Sherman this past summer) nor the best Corner on the team.

Its illogical to think as you seem to do that just because Keim agreed to that humongous contract, he cannot now have buyer's remorse due to PP21's continuous dropping level of play as he keeps getting burned by every receiver and QB the Cards have faced so far.

Stiil, it sounds as if YOU believe that you are the superior NFL talent and play performace expert than Bowles and Keim, but no matter your personal dreams of glory, in reality they remain the real experts. And they have been publicly and consistently admitting as well as communicating to PP21 that he ain't cutting it. Because they keep expecting improved play from PP, is there anyone want to keep making excuses for PP?

BTW, man to man coverages is where DBs earn their glory and reputation. The real gravy in the Todd Bowles defense this season is in Cover Zero where man to man coverage must be successful to order to win those crucial games; its where the tire meets the road. When PP does not deliver top play and keeps getting burned, the defense will eventually crumble, sooner than later.. Is that fair? Yes, since they paid AND PP accepted the TOP DB contract in the NFL.

take any other CB on this team and put them in PP's role and you'll see how good he actually is.

I'm not saying I know more than Keim, I'm saying if he didnt' think PP was an elite CB, he shouldn't have made him the highest paid CB in the NFL. My guess is he did that because he knows he's elite and that you can't run Bowles defense without a CB like that.

I would also bet you anything that Keim doesn't have buyers remorse about signing Peterson to a new contract, is he challenging him to play better, absolutely, does that mean he wishes he didn't sign him, absolutely not. I'm betting he DOES wish he'd signed more guys who could rush the passer so we don't have to blitz so often.
 

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So he is being critcised because he is not the best CB in the NFL despite being the highest paid CB? That is ridiculous. Is that what we are complaining about now? Not crappy edge rushers. Not adaquate OT play. Not Ellington's YPA. Not WR drops. We are complaining because Patrick Peterson isn't the best CB in the league?

I watch a ton of football, and I really feel folks don't realize how good we have it in Peterson. I'm ok with folks wanting more, but he is one of the best CBs in the NFL, and is playing like it. We have significantly greater issues than him.

He doesn't have to be the best CB in the NFL, and he doesn't have to never get beat. That contract we hung on him, as well as his adequate time in the league, means he has ZERO excuses for mental or technique errors. And that's been his biggest criticisms this year. Sure, we have crappy edge rushers, and this can cause him to look bad sometimes. That's not at all what we're discussing here--or at least what I'm discussing. No more mental errors. No more excuses that he's still working on technique. NONE. He doesn't get those outs any more.

As for the OL, Ellington and the WRs, well, they have el zippo to do with the defense.
 

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take any other CB on this team and put them in PP's role and you'll see how good he actually is.

I'm not saying I know more than Keim, I'm saying if he didnt' think PP was an elite CB, he shouldn't have made him the highest paid CB in the NFL. My guess is he did that because he knows he's elite and that you can't run Bowles defense without a CB like that.

I would also bet you anything that Keim doesn't have buyers remorse about signing Peterson to a new contract, is he challenging him to play better, absolutely, does that mean he wishes he didn't sign him, absolutely not. I'm betting he DOES wish he'd signed more guys who could rush the passer so we don't have to blitz so often.

This is a good post IMO.

I don't know why Keim called out PP. Personally, I think it was a mistake, but they obviously know more than I do. IMO you call him out in person, man to man, I don't care how much money you just paid him, you don't go on the radio and do it, not when you've neglected the pass rush as badly as he has. I mean, I love Keim, but he's whiffed on some picks man.

PP IMO is showing more class than Keim, you just don't do that. I have a problem with it, I think you can turn dudes against you, not PP necessarily, but other guys. The coach coaches dudes, that's BA's and Bowles job, not the GM, to evaluate his play.

And after a win I just think he should call the player into his office and be a man about it and say look, we paid you like a top corner, act like it. You don't go to the media. That's the one thing I think Whis did that was a mistake when it came to Leinart. Never, ever go to the media about a player, especially when you expect them to be cool and keep it all in house. Especially when Keim is the main culprit in our lack of pass rush. Keim made some picks doing NOTHING to help PP on the back end.

That being said, even if PP isn't playing well, without him doing what he's doing, we can't play the D we are, as you correctly pointed out. It just doesn't work.

I think PP is an exceptional player. He's asked to do more than any other corner, more than any of them.
 

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take any other CB on this team and put them in PP's role and you'll see how good he actually is.

I'm not saying I know more than Keim, I'm saying if he didnt' think PP was an elite CB, he shouldn't have made him the highest paid CB in the NFL. My guess is he did that because he knows he's elite and that you can't run Bowles defense without a CB like that.

I would also bet you anything that Keim doesn't have buyers remorse about signing Peterson to a new contract, is he challenging him to play better, absolutely, does that mean he wishes he didn't sign him, absolutely not. I'm betting he DOES wish he'd signed more guys who could rush the passer so we don't have to blitz so often.

Absolutely Keim bought into the hype that PP was one of the elite DBs in the league, and I'd guess Bowles endorsed the idea of PP's new contract as well. I certainly would not have an issue with PP's new contract IF he had been playing up to it, especially since Bowles' defense crucially depends on it to be successful. But again, PP is NOT playing up to the contract and instead is doing what lots of others have done after they got their big contract, play below their previous top levels of performance.

But just because Keim was convinced earlier this summer to give PP the max contract, he certainly has repeatedly voiced his concerns and instructions to PP that he must improve and play like the top DB in the NFL right now. With Bowles publicly agreeing with Keim, of course this means they are not pleased that PP is NOT playing up to his perceived potential.

On the other hand, if it was easy or merely moderately difficult to find and sign effective edge rushers (that many use the lack of edge rushers putting pressure on the QB to excuse PP's poor performaces to date) I am sure Keim and his team would have gladly done so. And consider that the monies that could have gone for acquiring and signing such rushers were instead allocated in the budget and the planned future salary cap to pay PP. And since PP has regressed so far, his less than stellar play has weakened the Bowles designed defense and his contract has prevented the Cards from being able to acquirie real and effective edge rushing players to strengthen and improve the defense.
 

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Absolutely Keim bought into the hype that PP was one of the elite DBs in the league, and I'd guess Bowles endorsed the idea of PP's new contract as well. I certainly would not have an issue with PP's new contract IF he had been playing up to it, especially since Bowles' defense crucially depends on it to be successful. But again, PP is NOT playing up to the contract and instead is doing what lots of others have done after they got their big contract, play below their previous top levels of performance.

But just because Keim was convinced earlier this summer to give PP the max contract, he certainly has repeatedly voiced his concerns and instructions to PP that he must improve and play like the top DB in the NFL right now. With Bowles publicly agreeing with Keim, of course this means they are not pleased that PP is NOT playing up to his perceived potential.

On the other hand, if it was easy or merely moderately difficult to find and sign effective edge rushers (that many use the lack of edge rushers putting pressure on the QB to excuse PP's poor performaces to date) I am sure Keim and his team would have gladly done so. And consider that the monies that could have gone for acquiring and signing such rushers were instead allocated in the budget and the planned future salary cap to pay PP. And since PP has regressed so far, his less than stellar play has weakened the Bowles designed defense and his contract has prevented the Cards from being able to acquirie real and effective edge rushing players to strengthen and improve the defense.

I don't buy any of this. Laying the PP contract on being unable to acquire talent doesn't hold up. We're paying Fitz millions per catch. That isn't on Keim, but my point is it's not PP eating up cap space.

I also think it's ridiculous that people pretend to know the technique of a corner. Especially an elite one. Keim's job is not to coach dudes or explain their shortcomings to the media, he's a GM, he's supposed to get and pay players and let the coaches coach them up. In this comment, he's no better than Jerry Jones talking about all facets of the offense and defense. He needs to let the coaches do their job and if he has a problem he can relay that to the coaches. Going to the media is pussyish. It's a douche move.

Frankly, Keim as GM doesn't, or shouldn't, even be doing that much evaluating, he's getting reports from scouts and signing off. For him to be commenting on a players performance is ridiculous.

I like the dude, but he needs to check himself.

PP is elite. I don't think most people even know what he's asked to do or how his hips should be (on the slant) or where his leverage should be. No clue. Both PP and Matheiu were peeking to the streaking WR, I don't know why, I don't even care, I just know they both shaded to him. Maybe they were tipped off and got stupid, but both of them did it. Should he not have? Probably. But it happened.

At least you guys are on a forum questioning, Keim really has no excuse. PP is put in a situation where he can't even cheat or make plays. They limit him to half a field now with CRO. Playing man, and press, with no help. And people (like me) want INT's. It's not going to happen, it's hard enough in today's league just keeping up with a dude. The fact that he's not given up more plays is amazing to me. I think he's a stud.
 

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All this Peterson talk makes me long for the days of Eric Green, Michael Stone, and Rod Hood.
 

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Absolutely Keim bought into the hype that PP was one of the elite DBs in the league, and I'd guess Bowles endorsed the idea of PP's new contract as well. I certainly would not have an issue with PP's new contract IF he had been playing up to it, especially since Bowles' defense crucially depends on it to be successful. But again, PP is NOT playing up to the contract and instead is doing what lots of others have done after they got their big contract, play below their previous top levels of performance.

But just because Keim was convinced earlier this summer to give PP the max contract, he certainly has repeatedly voiced his concerns and instructions to PP that he must improve and play like the top DB in the NFL right now. With Bowles publicly agreeing with Keim, of course this means they are not pleased that PP is NOT playing up to his perceived potential.

On the other hand, if it was easy or merely moderately difficult to find and sign effective edge rushers (that many use the lack of edge rushers putting pressure on the QB to excuse PP's poor performaces to date) I am sure Keim and his team would have gladly done so. And consider that the monies that could have gone for acquiring and signing such rushers were instead allocated in the budget and the planned future salary cap to pay PP. And since PP has regressed so far, his less than stellar play has weakened the Bowles designed defense and his contract has prevented the Cards from being able to acquirie real and effective edge rushing players to strengthen and improve the defense.


You should find the wikipedia definition of circular reasoning and add your post to it.

They had money to sign edge rushers, the money allocated to Dansby and some of the other guys who left, they just didn't get one. yes edge rushers are hard to find, why it's just about as hard to find as a 24 year old CB who can be put in man coverage in a blitzing defense and hold his own.

Why was PP better last year? Could it be because last year we had 47 sacks in 16 games and this year we have 6 in 5 games? We have just over a 3rd of the sacks we were getting last year.
 

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You should find the wikipedia definition of circular reasoning and add your post to it.

They had money to sign edge rushers, the money allocated to Dansby and some of the other guys who left, they just didn't get one. yes edge rushers are hard to find, why it's just about as hard to find as a 24 year old CB who can be put in man coverage in a blitzing defense and hold his own.

Why was PP better last year? Could it be because last year we had 47 sacks in 16 games and this year we have 6 in 5 games? We have just over a 3rd of the sacks we were getting last year.

OK, you know better than Keim and the rest of us so enumerate the top edge rushers that were traded for or free agents that were signed by other yeams that have now proven to be brilliant moves?

As I pointed out, of course Keim bought into the hype due to a variety of factors which no doubt included support for PP from the ownersh and worshipping fans such as yourself. But for you to keep perpetrating the myth that there were and are superior edge rushers available flies in the face of reality as demonstrated by the failure of other NFL teams to address this same need.

AND as you keep excusing PP's subpar performances on the lack of pressure by the rest of the defense this season, IMHO, PP was not very good last season since he needed the defense and Abraham to provide lots of pressure in order to masquerade as an elite DB. An elite DB is NOT dependent on massive help upfront to be among the best. Your reasoning that an elite DB's performance is mainly dependent on the pressure generated by the defense upfront is totally illogical and reflects your deficiency of any real knowledge of the performances of real elite DBs.

Surely you saw in games where Bowles has reassigned PP off the other team's best receivers and put CRO on them because PP kept getting burned. THAT means there are coverage problems the team recognizes and is not willing to lose over just to let PP keep thinking he is the best in the NFL.

Obviosly, you do not know what circular reasoning iand its components really are. Perhaps a refresher review would be helpful with WIKI.
 

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OK, you know better than Keim and the rest of us so enumerate the top edge rushers that were traded for or free agents that were signed by other yeams that have now proven to be brilliant moves?

As I pointed out, of course Keim bought into the hype due to a variety of factors which no doubt included support for PP from the ownersh and worshipping fans such as yourself. But for you to keep perpetrating the myth that there were and are superior edge rushers available flies in the face of reality as demonstrated by the failure of other NFL teams to address this same need.

AND as you keep excusing PP's subpar performances on the lack of pressure by the rest of the defense this season, IMHO, PP was not very good last season since he needed the defense and Abraham to provide lots of pressure in order to masquerade as an elite DB. An elite DB is NOT dependent on massive help upfront to be among the best. Your reasoning that an elite DB's performance is mainly dependent on the pressure generated by the defense upfront is totally illogical and reflects your deficiency of any real knowledge of the performances of real elite DBs.

Surely you saw in games where Bowles has reassigned PP off the other team's best receivers and put CRO on them because PP kept getting burned. THAT means there are coverage problems the team recognizes and is not willing to lose over just to let PP keep thinking he is the best in the NFL.

Obviosly, you do not know what circular reasoning iand its components really are. Perhaps a refresher review would be helpful with WIKI.


Please provide a list of elite CB's who played on teams that had no pass rush and blitzed on like 50% of passing downs requiring said CB to play man on elite WR's all the time.

I'll even start the list for you

1) Patrick Peterson.

I didn't say there were lots of edge pass rushers available, YOU said we didn't get one because we overpaid Peterson. I said that's not true at all, we had money from other guys, we just didn't use it to get an edge rusher. There were SOME out there, we played one 2 weeks ago in DeMarcus Ware, but we didn't get any. that doesn't mean it was easy to do and we didn't do it, but we didn't get any edge rushers either in FA or the draft.

last year after 5 games we were 3-2, and we had 13 sacks as a team. 7 of those came in the game 5 win over Carolina. Why did the defense suddenly start getting sacks after the first 4 games? 6 in the first 4, 41 in the last 12. I would submit 2 reasons, one we got Washington back for the 5th game, two we started playing Abraham more.

We don't have either guy right now which implies it's unlikely the pass rush is going to get much better, we're going to continue to have to blitz, and we're going to continue to ask Peterson and Cromartie to cover elite WR's with no safety help.

Even Deion Sanders didn't play in a defense where they blitzed half the plays, now he was a MUCH better cover CB than Peterson is but the way we are playing our CB's is very unusual in todays NFL, it's why week after week you get announcers telling us people think PP is one of if not the best CB's in the NFL, because they talk to NFL people who actually get that what the Cards ask him to do is far beyond what most teams ask their CB to do.

In fact both Steve Keim and Todd Bowles are on the public record stating exactly that.

What you are saying sounds suspiciously like the system works, just play better, there aren't many CB's in the NFL that can cover DeSean Jackson man to man and blitz that much, that's why most teams in the NFL don't do it.
 

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I don't buy any of this. Laying the PP contract on being unable to acquire talent doesn't hold up. We're paying Fitz millions per catch. That isn't on Keim, but my point is it's not PP eating up cap space.

I also think it's ridiculous that people pretend to know the technique of a corner. Especially an elite one. Keim's job is not to coach dudes or explain their shortcomings to the media, he's a GM, he's supposed to get and pay players and let the coaches coach them up. In this comment, he's no better than Jerry Jones talking about all facets of the offense and defense. He needs to let the coaches do their job and if he has a problem he can relay that to the coaches. Going to the media is pussyish. It's a douche move.

Frankly, Keim as GM doesn't, or shouldn't, even be doing that much evaluating, he's getting reports from scouts and signing off. For him to be commenting on a players performance is ridiculous.

I like the dude, but he needs to check himself.

PP is elite. I don't think most people even know what he's asked to do or how his hips should be (on the slant) or where his leverage should be. No clue. Both PP and Matheiu were peeking to the streaking WR, I don't know why, I don't even care, I just know they both shaded to him. Maybe they were tipped off and got stupid, but both of them did it. Should he not have? Probably. But it happened.

At least you guys are on a forum questioning, Keim really has no excuse. PP is put in a situation where he can't even cheat or make plays. They limit him to half a field now with CRO. Playing man, and press, with no help. And people (like me) want INT's. It's not going to happen, it's hard enough in today's league just keeping up with a dude. The fact that he's not given up more plays is amazing to me. I think he's a stud.

The definition of an elite DB is one who can play press coverage WITHOUT a safety on top. Heck, any decent NFL DB should be able to execute decent press coverage with a safety on top. Too bad for us PP needs a safety on top.

Based on what he now does and what he did best in the past, Keim has shown he knows how to evaluate football talent and football position skills. He has to understand the skill and abilities needed to successfully play the position and see those skills and talents demonstrated by players in a manner that allows the evaluator to conclude that player would fit in your team's offensive and defensive philosophy and specific schemes as well as being a complimentary piece with your team's major players.

Based on what he has done so far, Keim certainly has proven he knows football talent. But he is human and not above becoming blinded regarding certain players so he can and has made mistakes like the PP contract.
 

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Anyone that doesn't think PP is asked to do more than most DBs in the NFL is not paying attention...at least Russ Smith is the voice of reason here.

Sure he makes mistakes, there isn't a DB in the NFL that doesn't. IMO Sherman is the best DB in the NFL but PP is in that next group of 5-10 guys.
 

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All this Peterson talk makes me long for the days of Eric Green, Michael Stone, and Rod Hood.


What, no Tom 'Crystal' Knight????
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