Patrick Peterson. What is the future?

[Solar7]

Is he a shut down corner still?

Does he need to be? Very few teams have the luxury of a shut-down corner in the modern NFL. Hell, the rules pretty much prevent it. Where's the next shut-down corner in FA?

I understand the concerns here, but like in business, it's not a good look to complain about a problem without suggesting a solution.

 

[BritCard]

Is he a shut down corner still?

No. Some people here living DEEP in the past.

 

[BritCard]

did he take your girl?

Some people here need to ask themselves why one of the most arrogant, self confident cornerback in the league would feel the need to take PEDs and hide it with a masking agent.

This wasn't a "oh I took the wrong cough syrup" suspension.

Peterson felt the need to take drugs that enhance performance. Its in the name.

When somebody that's always had supreme confidence in their ability thinks they need drugs to perform at their usual level what does that tell you?

 

[BritCard]

I mean it is a subjective grading. So it is quite possible they do one grade well and another poorly.

Sure. Except then you have to say they were also wrong when Peterson has good grades.

Or that they get it right for all the cornerbacks we know are very good and got it wrong just for P2.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You another one of those that only likes PFF when it gives good grades?

QB is a complicated, multi faceted role. CB is much more simple. He was garbage. Anyone with eyes can see that.

No. I like measurements that are CONSISTENT.

And "eyes" don't give you access or insight into the defensive call.

 

[GuernseyCard]

So you think a guy is that has asked to be traded twice and called the FO snakes in the grass is going to play under the franchise tag?

2020
Franchise Tag: $16,338,000
Transition Tag: $14,197,000

You "think" he's going to retire from football and leave this on the table or insist on a trade, which will likely garner less?

 

[BritCard]

No. I like measurements that are CONSISTENT.

And "eyes" don't give you access or insight into the defensive call.

You don't need to be a genius. 99% of his snaps he was in off man coverage outside. He had one snap where he rushed the passer.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Go over to PFF and check out Kyler's grades.

You may then pay a little less attention to these subjective statistical snapshots.

PFF grades are useful but it’s important to remember that they offer ZERO CONTEXT to their evaluations. If we put Dre Kirkpatrick on McLaurin he might get torched, and then the guy he had been defending goes off too. Peterson is clearly highly valuable.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

If you aren't having Peterson press (which should be his decision but I wouldn't be shocked if Vance dictated it), you are almost conceding the slant route and it is up to the interior defenders to limit the play.

And Vallejo came in for Hicks on the TD play and blew it big time when Peterson steered him inside.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

They did & he got beat repeatedly.

4 catches on 7 targets for like 5 ypt = torched

k bro

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

You another one of those that only likes PFF when it gives good grades?

QB is a complicated, multi faceted role. CB is much more simple. He was garbage. Anyone with eyes can see that.

You have this exactly wrong: QB play is all about accuracy and moving the chains (throw and run). If the offense performs well it’s almost always the QB that is leading the way.

Every position on defense (including CB) is highly context dependent. Each player assumes a role in a scheme on each snap. A DB in proper zone position can appear to be “beat” if the other players don’t do their jobs. An example, was when the WFT let Hop go middle on his TD catch and LC didn’t man him up b/c he got caught staring in the backfield. The DB on the outside got “beat” but only because LC didn’t do his job.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

No. Some people here living DEEP in the past.

Is Gilmore a shut down corner anymore? He won DPOY last year, but got TORCHED worse than Peterson ever has by DK top-15 WR maybe Metcalf last week.

corner is a really freaking tough position on an island. The only time Peterson needed to make a play he did in the SF game with less than 2 min left in a one score game.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Some people here need to ask themselves why one of the most arrogant, self confident cornerback in the league would feel the need to take PEDs and hide it with a masking agent.

This wasn't a "oh I took the wrong cough syrup" suspension.

Peterson felt the need to take drugs that enhance performance. Its in the name.

When somebody that's always had supreme confidence in their ability thinks they need drugs to perform at their usual level what does that tell you?

what the hell is your point? Barry Bonds took PEDs when he was still a top3 player in MLB. The answer is simple: the best like being the best and do practically anything to perform at a higher level. That’s kind of the mentality that made them so good in the first place.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

The Athletic just polled coaches/execs around the league and Peterson was #3 in the league at his position, but BritCard on the Internet thinks he’s washed.

TOUGH CALL HERE

 

[GuernseyCard]

You don't need to be a genius. 99% of his snaps he was in off man coverage outside. He had one snap where he rushed the passer.

No need to respond in detail given that @WhyAlwaysMe ate your lunch.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Some people here need to ask themselves why one of the most arrogant, self confident cornerback in the league would feel the need to take PEDs and hide it with a masking agent.

This wasn't a "oh I took the wrong cough syrup" suspension.

Peterson felt the need to take drugs that enhance performance. Its in the name.

When somebody that's always had supreme confidence in their ability thinks they need drugs to perform at their usual level what does that tell you?

I think you would be surprised at the number of athletes that take PEDs. They just know how to cycle it so they can pass tests. So to ask why? Millions of dollars.

 

[BritCard]

Is Gilmore a shut down corner anymore? He won DPOY last year, but got TORCHED worse than Peterson ever has by DK top-15 WR maybe Metcalf last week.

corner is a really freaking tough position on an island. The only time Peterson needed to make a play he did in the SF game with less than 2 min left in a one score game.

So 1 game and Gilmore is done?

P2 been garbage for 12 straight games now and he's still quality?

 

[BritCard]

what the hell is your point? Barry Bonds took PEDs when he was still a top3 player in MLB. The answer is simple: the best like being the best and do practically anything to perform at a higher level. That’s kind of the mentality that made them so good in the first place.

Wait. Barry Bonds took PEDs in a league where the ball boys are on PEDs and that's somehow like P2 suddenly deciding he needs PEDs? Who wasn't taking PEDs when Barry Bonds was playing?

 

[BritCard]

The Athletic just polled coaches/execs around the league and Peterson was #3 in the league at his position, but BritCard on the Internet thinks he’s washed.

TOUGH CALL HERE

LOL that poll was trash.

Nobody who's watch P2 the last 2 years would have him #3. I doubt you could find a Cards fan that would put him top 3.

 

[BritCard]

Is Gilmore a shut down corner anymore? He won DPOY last year, but got TORCHED worse than Peterson ever has by DK top-15 WR maybe Metcalf last week.

corner is a really freaking tough position on an island. The only time Peterson needed to make a play he did in the SF game with less than 2 min left in a one score game.

You mean the play where he got left for dead by a 3rd string receiver and made a ditch effort that clipped his helmet?

If Jimmy G had an arm he would have been nowhere near.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

LOL that poll was trash.

Nobody who's watch P2 the last 2 years would have him #3. I doubt you could find a Cards fan that would put him top 3.

The poll was trash simply because you don't agree with it lol. PP was lights out the 2nd half of last season, and also had a great 1st game this season. Calling him trash/ garbage is a massive overreach... he's still easily a top 10 CB in the league. The grass isn't always greener on the other side...

 

[Krangodnzr]

If you peruse the list of FA corners, Peterson will likely be the first or second best corner on the board.

I might go with Quinton Dunbar over him because it also would weaken the Seahawks, but Dunbar is 28, so he'll probably start to slow down over the second half of his next contract.

 

[BritCard]

You have this exactly wrong: QB play is all about accuracy and moving the chains (throw and run). If the offense performs well it’s almost always the QB that is leading the way.

Every position on defense (including CB) is highly context dependent. Each player assumes a role in a scheme on each snap. A DB in proper zone position can appear to be “beat” if the other players don’t do their jobs. An example, was when the WFT let Hop go middle on his TD catch and LC didn’t man him up b/c he got caught staring in the backfield. The DB on the outside got “beat” but only because LC didn’t do his job.

Erm, no. PFF grade every play a QB makes. So every run he makes, every linebacker he reads on an RPO, the accuracy of every pass, how long he holds on to the ball, did he invite pressure, did he cause the sack, did he not see any open guy, is he throwing guys open or waiting to see if they become open and a hundred other things. It's even more complicated with a running QB.

By comparison, P2 on 99% of his snaps is in man coverage on one guy. We rarely play zone. He's rarely asked to rush the passer.

But, this point aside, what you are trying to say is that PFF got it wrong this time. That he was better than his 30 grade, but they got it right all the times he had an 80+ season. It's just a coincidence that most fans thought he had a bad game at the same time PFF thought he had a bad game and that PFF's grade line up pretty much with how everyone thinks other cornerbacks have performed. It's just P2 they are wrong on.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

So 1 game and Gilmore is done?

P2 been garbage for 12 straight games now and he's still quality?

I recall him being really good the last month of last season.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

LOL that poll was trash.

Nobody who's watch P2 the last 2 years would have him #3. I doubt you could find a Cards fan that would put him top 3.

The fans have been spoiled by his play and have biases that affect their judgment in a way that other coaches/GMs don’t.

I will say this: if he really is top3 we should get a 2nd rounder minimum on a trade (with pending extension). Makes a trade a lot more palatable, especially if we get a player + a high pick.