Patriots at Cardinals gameday thread 12-12-22

[Dr. Jones]

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[HammerCards]

I don’t think you kick. Prayer already has missed a 50 harder. It wasn’t automatic . But dang we could be up 16-7

Worse case. You let clock run and we miss fg. HORRIBLE decision from Kliff. Colt has to make throw but HORRIBLE decision. Get his ass out of town.

 

[HomerPimpson]

I wanted to spend some time pumping up Kliff but his decision making is bad. He's hard to defend in any meaningful way. To defend him you have to resort to platitudes and intangibles and that's never good when you're talking about a coach.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I wonder who Kliff is swiping right on in the locker room right now. #BirdCity

 

[Russ Smith]

the problem:

3rd and 1 and instead of going straight ahead for a certain 1 yard gain and a 1st down, Connor goes lateral and is stopped for no gain

then Colt short-arms the 4th down throw

thats a 6 point swing in the last minute

Honestly don't agree the mistake was ANderson the inside TE didn't block the inside guy Judon. If Conner goes up the middle Judon still probably get him.

The 4th down throw was terrible, McBride is wide open.

But honestly we should have kicked the FG

 

[gimpy]

I don’t think you kick. Prayer already has missed a 50 harder. It wasn’t automatic . But dang we could be up 16-7

We can't be up 16-7, if we don't kick it?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Kliff kingsbury, the king of snatching momentum away from his own team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We are going to have to watch this Zombie Cardinals led by the Kyler, Kliff, Keim trifecta until Sept. 2025.

Think about how long that is from now.

 

[blindseyed]

We are going to have to watch this Zombie Cardinals led by the Kyler, Kliff, Keim trifecta until Sept. 2025.

Think about how long that is from now.

In dog years we'll all be dead

 

[Cheesebeef]

Here’s the scarier thing… even if they fire Kliff, with Kyler out likely a big chunk of next year or at least nowhere close to full health (if ever), who the bell worth a damn is going to come in to be Head Coach of that situation?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Honestly don't agree the mistake was ANderson the inside TE didn't block the inside guy Judon. If Conner goes up the middle Judon still probably get him.

The 4th down throw was terrible, McBride is wide open.

But honestly we should have kicked the FG

Correct, the play call may have been a good one, but no play is ever automatic. So eschewing the FG and giving up field position with time to a gram with 3 timeouts is just pure klidiocy.

 

[Evil Ash]

Kliff kingsbury, the king of snatching momentum away from his own team.

As always "the smartest guy in the room."

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I wonder who Kliff is swiping right on in the locker room right now. #BirdCity

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[gimpy]

The Cards have a ridiculous amount of injuries but it's league wide. You have to think it's because of the extra game. Teams change how they practice and play (in preseason but even during the regular season). These are NFL growing pains.

What extra game?

 

[HomerPimpson]

Kliff kingsbury, the king of snatching momentum away from his own team.

I get why they use metrics and maybe it says go for it all the time but there's something to be said for momentum. These are human players and coaches, not numbers, and the pressure momentum puts on humans makes them behave unpredictably and worse than a machine.

Excellent point.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Here’s the scarier thing… even if they fire Kliff, with Kyler out likely a big chunk of next year or at least nowhere close to full health (if ever), who the bell worth a damn is going to come in to be Head Coach of that situation?

Kyler will be starting week one next year. He'll have basically 10 months to rehab and at his position, he will be back even with slightly limited mobility.

Nothing like Kyler in a metal knee brace for the first 6 weeks of the season though.

 

[Buckybird]

Kliff still hasn’t learned his lesson

And never will!!!

Klownsbury is the dumbest of the dumb
:-(

 

[Dr. Jones]

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

With 30 seconds and no TO just kick the FG. Made minimal sense to go there

The entire coaching sequence here made zero sense.

- Started at 41 with 1:43 and a TO left
- inside pass to McBride and clock keeps running
- 2nd and 5, inside run Conner and clock runs
- 3rd and 1, another inside run and clock runs with 52 seconds left

Here’s where it gets really, really dumb: Kliff for whatever reason lets another 18 seconds burn off the clock before using his last timeout with 35 seconds left and around 20 on the play clock (Belichick wasn’t going to use his). This essentially has taken any chance of a TD out of play before half even if we get the first. But also left enough time were we not to get the first down, allows for NE with their full allotment of timeouts to get into FG range.

Makes zero sense. Either let it run all the way and kick a FG or instantly call TO and go so you still have plenty of time to move the ball down the field for better FG position or a TD. Of course we know the true reason this happened, Kliff panicked and didn't know what to do one play ahead. Typical deer in headlights and cost us 3-6 points.

 

[AZ Native]

Worse case. You let clock run and we miss fg. HORRIBLE decision from Kliff. Colt has to make throw but HORRIBLE decision. Get his ass out of town.

It was a good call, terrible pass.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kyler will be starting week one next year. He'll have basically 10 months to rehab and at his position, he will be back even with slightly limited mobility.

Nothing like Kyler in a metal knee brace for the first 6 weeks of the season though.

hard to say. UCLA has a kid named Will McClendon in basketball who tore his ACL 9-21-2021. He's a guard about 6'2" 200 ish pounds similar build to Kyler thick legs although not as thick upper body. He just got back this past week, 2 games, still has the brace on, has only been practing full on for a couple of weeks.

I would argue because of how Kyler plays he's pretty similar and it's been 15 months for Will.

 

[Mark22]

You guys think it is size related I think it is exactly opposite. Murray constantly weight trains and focuses on bulk, not flexibility. All of his injury issues are soft tissue.

How do you know what he focuses on when he works out?

 

[HomerPimpson]

What extra game?

The extra game they added last year.

 

[JosiahLee]

Was just reading about the recovery time for torn ACLs. Typically it’s 9 months minimum to 12 months. Welp, maybe we’ll see Kyler again in 2024.

 

[jf-08]

Let's go D