Based already on rewatching one quarter your breakdown doesn't hold up. I deny that he had time to reestablish himself and be set in the paint like he does when he plays zone on most of those plays. However, I am willing to rewatch the entire game and break down every single perimeter trap and rotation.
No one’s asking for him to outrebounded Jonas. Literally no one. Making up a straw man argument to argue against is kinda weak. But maybe not be outrebounded by 50% could be an attainable goal?
Except he only averages 11 boards during the regular season. He’s a good rebounder. He’s Dennis Rodman against us.
Naw just pointing out fact.
I’m worried about him coming back too soon. He better feel 100+%
Jonas is outrebounding everybody but Gobert (who is getting almost 2 less) by a similar margin in the playoffs. What makes you think other centers outside of Gobert would do any better?
You’re still not getting it. These were all scenarios where he had already recovered to the paint. Not where he was rushing back to the paint. Start paying attention to it the next game if you don’t believe me. You’ll have to focus on Ayton for the entire defensive possession, which isn’t fun, so I recommend doing it for a quarter and then enjoying the rest of the game. See if you see something different.
He has been a beast on the boards for the most part since March 11th but there is no excuse from him getting 25 the other night but that wasn't just on Ayton.
The rebound disparity does impact the game... I am referring to the disparity between Jonas and DA.
As I stated, I deny that is the case based on rewatching the first quarter alone but I will rewatch those plays I documented above and rewatch the rest of the game today when I get a chance. I could be wrong. I don't recall looking specifically at that but I will be open to it.
You use zone as the baseline because that’s not a baseline for the nba. Most players guard man defense. That requires movement. From all centers. You’re using a false benchmark.
I’m not going after Ayton, I’m going after your faulty excuse.
During this series? Other than in the moment complaints about his hands or after his 10 point game, maybe. But otherwise virtually everyone on ASFN has been super happy with his overall effort and production.
Sigh. 82 asked me to define what I was looking for before the game. He specifically said it wouldn’t be fair to count dives back to recover in the paint as being in the paint possessions. I agreed with him. So I did not count those. Surprisingly enough shots typically weren’t going up at that point in possessions. I’m not making things up from air - we all did that before last night’s game - I’m talking about what I was specifically watching for based upon how 82 and I agreed on defining “in the paint.”
Honestly, Booker is in my eyes going to play tomorrow. And it makes sense. Do we really want his first game back to be a game 7 do or die? I sure don’t.
Lol. Jonas has only played the suns so far. And mostly (according to 82’s okay by play) against Ayton. That’s the whole point. We only know he’s crushing the suns. During the regular season he wasn’t crushing everyone else. We have no idea whether other teams/centers would better contain his rebounding in the playoffs other than the 74 games he played this season.
No I am not. The benchmark is if he is able to reestablish position and get the rebound which is much easier if you are already planted there in zone verses running back from the perimeter. If we can't establish that there is a difference then there is no point in discussing. I am not even counting scenarios where he had plenty of time to get back because there were 3 Pelican passes before a shot went up or something similar.
A single defensive rebound could result in a 6 point swing depending upon the circumstances (and yes off the top of my head I can recall two possessions where they scored 3’s on second chances). Depending on when that occurred in the game that 100% absolutely could’ve made a difference in one of the two losses.
I’m legitimately interested to hear what you see. Remember we are trying see if his positioning when the ball goes up was compromised because he was asked to defend outside the normal assignment of a center (so if he’s guarding Jonas and Jonas is outside the paint that doesn’t count because so would any center in that scenario).
One quarter down. IMO, multiple scenarios in the first quarter where that was the case (including McGee). A couple scenarios where we successfully got the turnover but had we not? IMO, they would have been out of position.
I’ll go look at your marks later today.
I’ve been saying this entire time. It’s other people claiming I’m bashing aytin.
