Per Adam Schefter: Fitz Wants Kolb

[Crazy Canuck]

Apparently, it's not what the catalyst of the offense wants.

But we need so many parts on this team right now, unless there is an agreement in the CBA, then there is no FA and we can't give up too much to acquire Kolb. That's the crux of the dilemma.

The 'Crux" is that we can't acquire Kolb without a new CBA... period.

 

[Goldfield]

I dont understand why everyone is so down on Orton. He is a solid QB in this league and still in him prime.

Seems like everyone is judging him on his one game against us this year. He was flat out BAD in that game. But if you compare his stats to Kolbs, Orton is MUCH better. Also Kolb is in a QB friendly system with much better players IMO.

I give a third & next years fourth for Orton right away and move on to the next hole to fix.

 

[Dan H]

In the end, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Eagles take a 2nd round pick for Kolb. In the end, you get what you can get, and the Eagles can either have a valued back up or an additional draft pick which history shows they covet. 2011 2nd rounder for Kolb gets a "yes" from me.

As for opinions that Kolb will cost a first rounder, I doubt it. For all of his potential he has shown less than Orton, and when given a shot this year, he got injured and lost the job. I am not saying that Kolb won't turn out to be a good player, but a 1st rounder is going to be a hard sell for a player with Kolb's production. Also, don't discount that this will be when Kolb is at his highest value, because he doesn't look to get much playing time if there is a next season.

Yeah, Cassell AND Mike Vrabel went as a package for a high two . . . Schaub IIRC went for two twos. At the time of their trades both players had a better body of work than Kolb does at the moment.

 

[kerouac9]

I dont understand why everyone is so down on Orton. He is a solid QB in this league and still in him prime.

Seems like everyone is judging him on his one game against us this year. He was flat out BAD in that game. But if you compare his stats to Kolbs, Orton is MUCH better. Also Kolb is in a QB friendly system with much better players IMO.

I give a third & next years fourth for Orton right away and move on to the next hole to fix.

Not down on Orton, just seeing him for what he is. He was a productive QB for teams that weren't competitive on the field. He's not a leader, and he's not necessarily a guy who can win games for you when it counts. He's just good enough to get you beat.

I think that Orton can make us close to an 8-8 team just by being an NFL-caliber quarterback. But he's not going to get us to a Super Bowl or solve our long-range QB problem. People here think (and I happen to disagree) that Kolb is a long-term solution to the QB problem.

 

[sportznutt]

In the wake of a report that the Cardinals have consulted with Larry Fitzgerald on their quarterback situation, coach Ken Whisenhunt emphasized that it was simply a routine discussion as part of his "open door policy."
"Larry and I talked about a number of things," said Whisenhunt. "I've talked to other players as well ... Larry is obviously not making the decisions." Fitz is walking a fine line here. He's made it clear that he's not qualified to play a major role in personnel decisions. On the other hand, the Cardinals understand that the 2011 QB situation will go a long way toward deciding Fitz's future in Arizona.

rotoworld

 

[bg7brd]

Offering his opinion publicly to the media and in a closed-door meeting are two very different things.

I don't doubt that Fitz offered his opinion and put Kolb at the top of his list, but I hope he gave it with the caveat that he understands Kolb may not be available for a reasonable price.

Why he wants Bulger is beyond me. Maybe the Cards could catch lightning in a bottle with him just as they did Warner, but I always thought he was overrated when he was healthy and "good."

If it wasn't offered to the media then where did the story come from? Are the Cards that stupid to put this out there?

 

[lobo]

Per ASFN: so does Vince.

so does lobo and quite a few more.................so y'all know what that means


fuggetaboutit!!

 

[Mainstreet]

The 'Crux" is that we can't acquire Kolb without a new CBA... period.

This may be a blessing in disguise. The Cardinals draft first then decide if they like what they have better. I'd really like for the Cardinals to draft a QB to compete with Skelton (I'm not saying necessarily at #5) and then go with a veteran to start. Maybe the Cardinals get the QB they want later in the draft while keeping #5 or moving down for more picks.

 

[Matt L]

Yeah, Cassell AND Mike Vrabel went as a package for a high two . . . Schaub IIRC went for two twos. At the time of their trades both players had a better body of work than Kolb does at the moment.

Schaub had one good game against New England while he was on the Atlanta Falcons. How did he have a better body of work than Kolb?

 

[Pariah]

If it wasn't offered to the media then where did the story come from?

The Cardinals have a leak.

Are the Cards that stupid to put this out there?

Yes.

 

[DoTheDew]

I would be ok if we got Kolb and kept our #5. Orton will probably be cheaper but he does kinda suck when it comes down to it. Bulger, smart and damaged goods.

I've never understood why people think Kolb is such a better prospect than Orton when the numbers clearly prove beyond a doubt otherwise. Even after last year, Orton still has a better winning % as a starter than Kolb. Orton has a solid TD to INT ratio. Kolb has a bad one. Their completion percentages are close. YPA are identical.

It's just that Kolb passes the "eyeball" test better. But this test is a load of crap that causes so many people to make horrible decisions about players. I'd take a guy who looks like crap but is successful over a guy who looks good but turns the ball over a lot and has lost more games than he has won.

 

[bg7brd]

The Cardinals have a leak.


Yes.

Ha ha. I realize that was a soft ball. I just think the media is blowing this way out of proportion, as usual.

 

[TopGun]

I've never understood why people think Kolb is such a better prospect than Orton when the numbers clearly prove beyond a doubt otherwise. Even after last year, Orton still has a better winning % as a starter than Kolb. Orton has a solid TD to INT ratio. Kolb has a bad one. Their completion percentages are close. YPA are identical.

It's just that Kolb passes the "eyeball" test better. But this test is a load of crap that causes so many people to make horrible decisions about players. I'd take a guy who looks like crap but is successful over a guy who looks good but turns the ball over a lot and has lost more games than he has won.

Amen

 

[Gee!]

Marc Bulger for me. He ready to win now QB just what us fans want. Plus Bulger has ran this kind of offense and Kolb has not. Bulger is the best option of the two.

Except for the fact he has zero desire for the game aymore and he's just collecting paychecks at this point.. Ya lets get Bulger..

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Fitz saying he'd like Kolb isn't going to drive his price up. Does it drive up Bulger's asking price too? The Eagles will take the best offer Kolb, that's what will set his price. First round picks are gold in the NFL. Kolb is not going to fetch the #5 overall pick in any draft.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

The Cardinals have a leak.


Yes.

I would love to know who the heck that leak is. They should be fired and blackballed by the league

 

[Dayman]

Letting your star player pick your personnel is a terrible idea. Just ask the Cleveland Cavaliers.

I'm also not a big fan of Kolb. Putting up a 76.1 rating in Andy Reid's incredibly QB friendly offense doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Maybe he'd look better in Whis' offense, but I have my doubts. Whis' system seems to be death for young QBs.

 

[football karma]

The choice the Cards have seems to be between known average-ness (Bulger, Orton, Alex Smith, etc.) and unknown potential ( Skelton, drafting a QB) that will have growing pains in realizing any potential.

Kolb is the middle ground. Potential to be a long term starter, and with enough experience that you hope that he has put most of the growing pains behind him. That in itself makes him intriguing.

I can't get over asking why Reid would give him up.

 

[Zeno]

So Fitz didn't mention McNabb? All I kept reading on here was how much Fitz wanted McNabb without reading a thing from him to back that up.

I have to question any calling for Bulger...ugh. Washed up has-been(5 yrs is an eternity in the NFL), a guy who shouldn't be counted on to be anymore than a #2 the rest of his career.

No way do I give up a first round pick for Kolb or anything higher than a #4 for Orton.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think a DRC for Kevin Kolb makes sense for both teams. Then the Cardinals draft Patrick Peterson at #5.

Anyone in on that?

 

[BirdMan21]

So Fitz didn't mention McNabb? All I kept reading on here was how much Fitz wanted McNabb without reading a thing from him to back that up.

I have to question any calling for Bulger...ugh. Washed up has-been(5 yrs is an eternity in the NFL), a guy who shouldn't be counted on to be anymore than a #2 the rest of his career.

No way do I give up a first round pick for Kolb or anything higher than a #4 for Orton.

The list is much bigger than Adam is reporting....there are actually 6 QBs that he listed, but some are still under contract or are in the draft.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I think a DRC for Kevin Kolb makes sense for both teams. Then the Cardinals draft Patrick Peterson at #5.

Anyone in on that?

I'm on board but I don't think Peterson makes it to the 5th pick.

 

[azsouthendzone]

After agitating for Derek Anderson and against #7, I really hope that Larry Fitzgerald gets out of the quarterback scouting business.

+1.

 

[desertdawg]

The list is much bigger than Adam is reporting....there are actually 6 QBs that he listed, but some are still under contract or are in the draft.

What are the other QBs? I am especially interested in which draft picks he mentioned.

 

[BirdMan21]

What are the other QBs? I am especially interested in which draft picks he mentioned.

Let me get back to you.....it was discussed just among him and one of my good friends (and I happened to be there) as well as between me and a person on the Cards staff. Ill check with them and see if they have any issue with me passing this info along.

I might not be able to post it, but I might be able to PM it to a few people as long as you do not post it.

And for any of those of you that think I am full of it, you can ask both GEE and O, I told them both over two weeks ago about this and the list of QBs. Even mentioned to Gee tonight how funny it was it took this long to break.