Per John Gambadora Suns offer Dragic contract

[SunsTzu]

And that's bad? If what you say is true, we tank and get a top 3 pick. Are you saying you don't want that?

You don't need to spend a lot of money on long term deals to accomplish that. What happens if you actually do draft a superstar and don't have the ability to build around them(ask the Cavs if you're not sure).

 

[Folster]

what are you talking about? This off-season is playing out EXACTLY the way a lot of us feared... that we'd go the route of the Detroit Pistons and take STUPID chances simply because we had cap space.

If Gordon is matched by NOLA then the Suns still have roughly 13 million in cap space. Amnesty Childress and that's nearly 20 million. Warrick's $4 million comes off the books next year as well. We still don't know the terms of Beasley's deal. There may be a player option. All is not lost.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Gordon is matched by NOLA then the Suns still have roughly 13 million in cap space. Amnesty Childress and that's nearly 20 million. Warrick's $4 million comes off the books next year as well. We still don't know the terms of Beasley's deal. All is not lost.

is this even with Beasley/Dragic's deals?

edit: my post was assuming we got Gordon.

 

[SunsTzu]

is this even with Beasley/Dragic's deals?

edit: my post was assuming we got Gordon.

If the Suns get Gordon they'll be flirting with the cap next year even if they amnesty Childress. They would be able to offer a more than the MLE though.

That is assuming they sign no more deals, which seems unlikely.

 

[Phrazbit]

And that's bad? If what you say is true, we tank and get a top 3 pick. Are you saying you don't want that?

You don't need to spend a lot of money on long term deals to accomplish that. What happens if you actually do draft a superstar and don't have the ability to build around them(ask the Cavs if you're not sure).

But this team isnt tanking. They're building a contender... for the 8th seed. Even from the most optimistic people here, what is the max potential you see from this mess? 40 wins? What is the point of assembling this mix of rather pricey talent?

We wont get a top 3 pick, we wont get playoff runs, we are going to be stuck in limbo drafting the Zeller's of the world.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

what are you talking about? This off-season is playing out EXACTLY the way a lot of us feared... that we'd go the route of the Detroit Pistons and take STUPID chances simply because we had cap space.

I have been about the harshest critic of this front office the last 4 - 5 years but they have made solid moves today.

But I have always felt Dragic was our PG of the future so I am extra happy.

 

[Chaplin]

But this team isnt tanking. They're building a contender... for the 8th seed. Even from the most optimistic people here, what is the max potential you see from this mess? 40 wins? What is the point of assembling this mix of rather pricey talent?

We wont get a top 3 pick, we wont get playoff runs, we are going to be stuck in limbo drafting the Zeller's of the world.

Irrelevant to what Muggum was saying. He was saying we will barely win a game. That leads to a high pick.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What are they building towards? Probably 2 years from now.

If they get Gordon almost the entire team is young and there is potential to be greater than the individual parts. At least they will be interesting, which is A LOT more than I can say about the last 2 years.

 

[Chaplin]

What are they building towards? Probably 2 years from now.

If they get Gordon almost the entire team is young and there is potential to be greater than the individual parts. At least they will be interesting, which is A LOT more than I can say about the last 2 years.

A cautious +1

 

[Covert Rain]

They are taking chances, something none of you would say Sarver would do. They could backfire, but they are making some major, major changes to the team.

Are they really? How is this any different versus what they have done? Let us recap.

Suns making trade bringing questionable assets in return. Check

Suns attempting to bring in talent with little emphasis in defense. Check.

Suns overpaying for guys in the short term for a quick fix. Check.

Suns assembling a team that could rack up wins but has no shot at title. Check.

Suns Sarver once again being enticed by cash. Check.

Exactly what chances are hey taking??? This is business as usual.

 

[Evil Ash]

New contract details

Paul Coro‏@paulcoro

Goran Dragic contract tweak: it's a 4-year, $30M deal with potential to be $34M from annual $1M All-Star bonuses. 4th year is player option.

 

[slinslin]

I have been about the harshest critic of this front office the last 4 - 5 years but they have made solid moves today.

But I have always felt Dragic was our PG of the future so I am extra happy.

You felt Dragic was out PG of the future when he was one of the worst players in the entire NBA leading up to when the Suns traded him?

Kendall Marshall will be a better NBA PG. Dragic is too eratic and plays off of instincts. It will be hard for Dragic to run a structured offense.

 

[CardsFan88]

Well the FO said they weren't going to take a shot to just to sign players.

Which of course could be just spin. It almost always is.

But if one was to read between the lines, one could say, that IF that was true, then THESE are guys Babby thinks were worth it and got him to spend this money and not sit on it.

Whether it was spin or not, Babby is on the hook as these were his decisions, that passed his criteria.

I'm optimistic about Dragic. I think we'd be better off with Marshall long term, but one thing is for certain imo, we have a starting and a backup point guard now finally. Which one it'll be who knows. But Dragic will get his shot to lead first.

His numbers looked pretty dang good those last few months with the Rockets. He's also only 26 so as a point guard there's still time for him to grow.

Think it's too much for him, but again, they all go for too much these days. 4 years limits mistakes.

Dragic was known for always hitting on my friends g/f at the club. Now I can give him some crap. ha ha. Guess who's coming back.

 

[JCSunsfan]

When Steve Nash was 26 he was averaging 9 pts and 5 assists in 27 mins a game for Dallas. No one had any idea what kind of player he would become.

Goran has not yet reached his potential. He is clearly improving and has not peaked yet.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I have to admit I always liked Dragic and the dumb comment about him being the worst player in the NBA at time of his trade is well dumb. Like any young foreign player he was erratic and if you remember correctly no one has shown well as Steves backup. The more time Dragic got the better he played. I also looked longingly at his Hou Box scores the last 2 months of this past season and thought " great another stupid ass trade of a player I always liked"

I still don't see the plan and think the motivation of these signings is suspect. But unlike Eric, I Hate the Beasley signing but am intrigued by Dragic and Gordon.

The Silver Lining in all this? At least Phoenix seems to still be a "destination" for FA's and I like the recruiting they put together.

But my god I have no clue what they are doing. 2010 off season all over again.

 

[SweetD]

One thing we have to take into account Gordon would be the only contract hard to trade if they don't work out here.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You felt Dragic was out PG of the future when he was one of the worst players in the entire NBA leading up to when the Suns traded him?

Kendall Marshall will be a better NBA PG. Dragic is too eratic and plays off of instincts. It will be hard for Dragic to run a structured offense.

I saw enough potential to think he could thrive as a starter and he did.

The fact that you dislike him probably means he will end up being pretty good.

 

[SirStefan32]

The fact that you dislike him probably means he will end up being pretty good.

I wonder if every Slin trade proposal is now going to involve Dragic in addition to Gortat.

 

[slinslin]

John Gambadiarrhea

 

[chickenhead]

I hope Dragic works out. Replacing one prodigal Sun with another, as the headline goes. Anyway, He will be ready to go game #1 next year, which is a relief of sorts.

 

[JS22]

I have to admit I always liked Dragic and the dumb comment about him being the worst player in the NBA at time of his trade is well dumb. Like any young foreign player he was erratic and if you remember correctly no one has shown well as Steves backup. The more time Dragic got the better he played. I also looked longingly at his Hou Box scores the last 2 months of this past season and thought " great another stupid ass trade of a player I always liked"

I still don't see the plan and think the motivation of these signings is suspect. But unlike Eric, I Hate the Beasley signing but am intrigued by Dragic and Gordon.

The Silver Lining in all this? At least Phoenix seems to still be a "destination" for FA's and I like the recruiting they put together.

But my god I have no clue what they are doing. 2010 off season all over again.

Not even close.

 

[Phrazbit]

I have to admit I always liked Dragic and the dumb comment about him being the worst player in the NBA at time of his trade is well dumb. Like any young foreign player he was erratic and if you remember correctly no one has shown well as Steves backup. The more time Dragic got the better he played. I also looked longingly at his Hou Box scores the last 2 months of this past season and thought " great another stupid ass trade of a player I always liked"

The irony is the guy we traded Dragic for was a far worse player at the time of the trade.

Glad we gave up a 1st round pick in the swap too...

 

[Chaplin]

The irony is the guy we traded Dragic for was a far worse player at the time of the trade.

Glad we gave up a 1st round pick in the swap too...

Good lord, Brooks was not doing well at the time of the trade, but he wasn't as awful as Dragic was. Take off the orange-tinted glasses for a minute.

 

[Phrazbit]

Good lord, Brooks was not doing well at the time of the trade, but he wasn't as awful as Dragic was. Take off the orange-tinted glasses for a minute.

Brooks was shooting 34% on the season. His efficiency was as bad as possible, I think we all know he was not a competent or willing defender... and really, besides score what does Brooks do? And he was TERRIBLE at scoring that year.

Yes, he was playing worse than Dragic. I dont need glasses of any shade to realize that. Some people got so low on Dragic that ANYONE was better, but Brooks, by every measure, was worse.

Dragic got screwed by the disaster of a 2nd unit he was stuck playing with. He was the "engine" of a car with square tires and a drunk driver.

 

[slinslin]

Brooks was shooting 34% on the season. His efficiency was as bad as possible, I think we all know he was not a competent or willing defender... and really, besides score what does Brooks do? And he was TERRIBLE at scoring that year.

Yes, he was playing worse than Dragic. I dont need glasses of any shade to realize that. Some people got so low on Dragic that ANYONE was better, but Brooks, by every measure, was worse.

Dragic got screwed by the disaster of a 2nd unit he was stuck playing with. He was the "engine" of a car with square tires and a drunk driver.

And Dragic had the worst +/- in the entire league. He played terrible. I am not sure what he was shooting but it couldn't have been much better than Brooks at the time.