Per MJ

[Finito]

Don't know what you got till it's gone

 

[overseascardfan]

* Talks with Dockett are looking more and more optimistic.

* Dan Williams is looking for $3.5M a year---the Cardinals consider him a part-time player and thus are not interested in paying him at that salary. Should test the FA market.

* Cromartie and his wife had issues with living in AZ----they miss NY---and teammates were getting tired of hearing it. MJ thinks the Cardinals probably won't even make an offer, because they feel he is just using them for leverage.

* Cardinals will be pursuing C, G, ILB, OLB in FA.

* Rob Rang thinks the Cardinals are honed in on an OLB in Round 1---and loves RB David Johnson of Northern Iowa for the Cardinals in round 3 or 4.

* MJ is hearing that G Paul Fanaica has a "wink-wink" deal in place with another team in FA that will pay him roughly $3M a year.

Man---they really string the listeners out---all show heading into breaks they are saying there will be Cardinals' news and insights---and finally at the end this was the info. At least the info was worth it.

They also kept saying we would hear from MJ "what the Cardinals are asking Andre Ellington to do." Didn't hear anything on Ellington at all. Anyone have an answer for this one?

Very interesting info indeed, thanks for sharing Mitch.
Maybe they are targeting Wisniewski or Hudson, not sure about which G's unless they plan on spending some jack on Iupati or Franklin. Worilds or Sheard are probably on their radar at OLB and Carter or Durant at ILB.

So that leaves CB, RB, NT & OLB in the draft, here's who I think they will target:

1 - OLB Bud Dupree - Has the length and speed they are looking for at OLB.

2 - CB Marcus Peters - Jalen Collins will be gone, Peters just a notch below.

3 - NT Danny Shelton - He won't cost $3.5M a year

4 - RB David Johnson - Per MJ above

5 - DL Henry Anderson - DD replacement

6 - WR Kenny Bell - Speedy receiver with hands.

7 - P Spencer Roth - Not sure how healthy Zastudil will come back.

 

[kerouac9]

Losing Dan Williams over $500K a year would beg pretty dumb. You're not going to replace his production with a free agent for less than that, and a rookie is no sure thing (plus the opportunity cost of replacing him through free agency or the draft).

If your no. 1 priority is stopping the run, your number one prioity should be re-signing Dan Williams.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Losing Dan Williams over $500K a year would beg pretty dumb. You're not going to replace his production with a free agent for less than that, and a rookie is no sure thing (plus the opportunity cost of replacing him through free agency or the draft).

If your no. 1 priority is stopping the run, your number one prioity should be re-signing Dan Williams.

This!!!

 

[SweetD]

Maybe DD will move back inside. DT can be picked up cheep and there are plenty of Vets cut at that position that are good at filling that role.

 

[Buckybird]

Losing Dan Williams over $500K a year would beg pretty dumb. You're not going to replace his production with a free agent for less than that, and a rookie is no sure thing (plus the opportunity cost of replacing him through free agency or the draft).

If your no. 1 priority is stopping the run, your number one prioity should be re-signing Dan Williams.

It's not 500K its $1.5K

 

[juza76]

Very interesting info indeed, thanks for sharing Mitch.
Maybe they are targeting Wisniewski or Hudson, not sure about which G's unless they plan on spending some jack on Iupati or Franklin. Worilds or Sheard are probably on their radar at OLB and Carter or Durant at ILB.

So that leaves CB, RB, NT & OLB in the draft, here's who I think they will target:

1 - OLB Bud Dupree - Has the length and speed they are looking for at OLB.

2 - CB Marcus Peters - Jalen Collins will be gone, Peters just a notch below.

3 - NT Danny Shelton - He won't cost $3.5M a year

4 - RB David Johnson - Per MJ above

5 - DL Henry Anderson - DD replacement

6 - WR Kenny Bell - Speedy receiver with hands.

7 - P Spencer Roth - Not sure how healthy Zastudil will come back.

Shelton is a top 15 pick,how do u see him dropping in the 3th round?

 

[AZCrazy]

Are they thinking Ta'Amu will step right in? He doesn't have the flashy stats because he is the double team eater that opens up the whole defense. Man O man, we run a 3-4 defense. You need a big time stud NT and some pass rushing OLB's to make that thing work. Williams dominates his area when he's in there. This is a resigning that needs to happen. What do the Ravens pay Ngata?

 

[juza76]

Are they thinking Ta'Amu will step right in? He doesn't have the flashy stats because he is the double team eater that opens up the whole defense. Man O man, we run a 3-4 defense. You need a big time stud NT and some pass rushing OLB's to make that thing work. Williams dominates his area when he's in there. This is a resigning that needs to happen. What do the Ravens pay Ngata?

Nagata has his same role but he can play more snaps and he is more effective as pass rusher
He made much more tackles as well,and tackles by NT are not just statistacaly worth

 

[DVontel]

Very interesting info indeed, thanks for sharing Mitch.
Maybe they are targeting Wisniewski or Hudson, not sure about which G's unless they plan on spending some jack on Iupati or Franklin. Worilds or Sheard are probably on their radar at OLB and Carter or Durant at ILB.

So that leaves CB, RB, NT & OLB in the draft, here's who I think they will target:

1 - OLB Bud Dupree - Has the length and speed they are looking for at OLB.

2 - CB Marcus Peters - Jalen Collins will be gone, Peters just a notch below.

3 - NT Danny Shelton - He won't cost $3.5M a year

4 - RB David Johnson - Per MJ above

5 - DL Henry Anderson - DD replacement

6 - WR Kenny Bell - Speedy receiver with hands.

7 - P Spencer Roth - Not sure how healthy Zastudil will come back.

There is 0% chance of Shelton dropping to 3rd.
Collins is a lot notches below Peters, he's just all measurables with poor coverage skills.
I highly doubt we go NOT drafting a ILB at all.

 

[gmabel830]

Dan Williams, NT:

2014 Stats: 32 tackles, 1 sack

Average (5 seasons): 31 tackles, 0.4 sacks per year.

Career (5 seasons): 157 tackles, 2 sacks

For a 1st round draft pick (#26)----those stats are very disappointing.

Casey Hampton's first 5 years in the league: 92 tackles (158 including assisted tackles), 4 sacks

 

[TJ]

$3.5 would almost be double his average annual salary of $1.8 through his entire career. I'm not sure what team would pay him at or near his asking price. While I like Williams, he was never a world beater at his position and wasn't even on the field 40% of the time. In 2013, a healthy Ta'Amu was just as impactful as Williams as a space eater for a fraction of the cost.

If I'm Keim, I offer $2.5 and tell Dumpster Dan to find a better deal and come back with it.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Dan Williams, NT:

2014 Stats: 32 tackles, 1 sack

Average (5 seasons): 31 tackles, 0.4 sacks per year.

Career (5 seasons): 157 tackles, 2 sacks

For a 1st round draft pick (#26)----those stats are very disappointing.

I could be wrong but his role in a 3-4 done well should reflect in the other players' stats

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Where do you guys find % of snaps played? I would like to see Dan's comparison to other NT's across the league.

I can see the Cards point on play % but that just sounds like a negotiating ploy to me. He's an integral part of the run defense. The good thing is that it doesn't sound like Williams is making unreasonably high salary demands and they should be able to work something out.

 

[BigRedRage]

* Talks with Dockett are looking more and more optimistic.

Good.

* Dan Williams is looking for $3.5M a year---the Cardinals consider him a part-time player and thus are not interested in paying him at that salary. Should test the FA market.

Understandable, he played well last year though.

* Cromartie and his wife had issues with living in AZ----they miss NY---and teammates were getting tired of hearing it. MJ thinks the Cardinals probably won't even make an offer, because they feel he is just using them for leverage.

Good riddance.

* Cardinals will be pursuing C, G, ILB, OLB in FA.
Figured as much

* Rob Rang thinks the Cardinals are honed in on an OLB in Round 1---and loves RB David Johnson of Northern Iowa for the Cardinals in round 3 or 4.

OLB is a huge need, chase it everywhere

* MJ is hearing that G Paul Fanaica has a "wink-wink" deal in place with another team in FA that will pay him roughly $3M a year.

:byebye:

Nothing huge but all good info.

 

[Stout]

Losing Dan Williams over $500K a year would beg pretty dumb. You're not going to replace his production with a free agent for less than that, and a rookie is no sure thing (plus the opportunity cost of replacing him through free agency or the draft).

If your no. 1 priority is stopping the run, your number one prioity should be re-signing Dan Williams.

Bingo. People the babble on about 'he is easily replaceable' or 'shouldn't be kept at that kind of salary' are really forgetting how woeful we were without a REAL NT, and how very difficult good NTs are to to find. The statement sounds like a bargaining tactic by the Cards, one I really wish they weren't using at this point with Dumpster Dan.

 

[joeshmo]

Where do you guys find % of snaps played? I would like to see Dan's comparison to other NT's across the league.

I can see the Cards point on play % but that just sounds like a negotiating ploy to me. He's an integral part of the run defense. The good thing is that it doesn't sound like Williams is making unreasonably high salary demands and they should be able to work something out.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/player-defensive-snap-count-stats/2014/

and if you want to throw in average salary of DT's as well:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/defensive-tackle/

 

[BigRedRage]

wow, 406th in D snap percentage. Yes some DTs make a TON of money but they also play the whole game.

 

[Chopper0080]

So, I'm pretty much out on pay Dan Williams over 3 mil. He doesn't play a high % of snaps, does not demand double teams, and doesn't bring anything in terms of a pass rush.

Your league comps Dontari Poe who plays a ton more. Dan Williams is a nice player, but also is a replaceable player in terms of production. He rarely sheds blocks and makes tackles. He struggles going laterally (which is not uncommon for big guys). He plays a position that has a limited market.

Ngata plays DE. Wilfork plays DE at times. If you look at NTs around the league, Dan Williams is not worth the money.

 

[Chopper0080]

wow, 406th in D snap percentage. Yes some DTs make a TON of money but they also play the whole game.

When you really dig into it, that is a very true statement. Regardless of role, the best players stay in the game.

I have totally turned on this matter, and now am totally ok with the Cards taking a hard line with Dan Williams. I would rather pay a LB.

 

[kerouac9]

It's not 500K its $1.5K

$2M for a quality nose tackle is a slap in the face. Dan Williams doesn't turn 28 until this summer, and has been an effective player the last two seasons. When your draft picks pan out, you pay them or you end up in a cycle where you're trying guys out. We don't have a plan in place to sub Williams in immediately.

Is the feeling that Dan Williams is taking himself off the field? IMO, $3.5M for Williams is probably a bargain if it gets him signed today.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I with K9 on this...

 

[Chopper0080]

Bingo. People the babble on about 'he is easily replaceable' or 'shouldn't be kept at that kind of salary' are really forgetting how woeful we were without a REAL NT, and how very difficult good NTs are to to find. The statement sounds like a bargaining tactic by the Cards, one I really wish they weren't using at this point with Dumpster Dan.

They really aren't if you look at the NTs in the league. Ngata, Wilfork, and Poe play as much DT/DE as they do NT.

 

[kerouac9]

For Comparison

Veteran nose tackles, their snap percentage, and average cap number. Rookies excluded because their salaries are artificially low.

Steve McLendon (PIT): 30.7%, $2.4M
Ahtyba Rubin (CLE): 38.7%, $8.83M
Ryan Pickett (HOU): 25.4%, $955K
Sammie Lee Hill (TEN): 51.5%, $3.8M
Chris Baker (WAS): 48.8%, $3.0M
Letroy Guion (GB): 50.1%, $1M
Broderick Bunkley (NO): 25.6%, $3.55M
Paul Soliai (ATL): 46.4%, $6.4M

That averages out to 39.65% and $3.7M average. Seems like Williams is right in the middle of that group.

You can see the guarantees of all the 3-4DTs here: http://overthecap.com/position/3-4-defensive-tackle

Not sure why Ngata's name keeps coming up. He's a DE for the Ravens.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I like Dan and am surprised to hear the team doesnt value him more than they do. Well see if thats fool hardy.

Man I hope we get AP. A pissed off rested AP for 2015? Yes please.