Peterson | I don't get this

[Crazy Canuck]

Well, there is certainly no shortage of opinion on the young man's intelligence from those who've never met him, or shortage of advice to a former NFL DB, now an OC, on how to train a cornerback for the NFL.

 

[crisper57]

Well, there is certainly no shortage of opinion on the young

I'm trying to come up with a CFL comment about Peterson, but I'm drawing a blank.

 

[PACardsFan]

PP scored a 9, a 9! Anything below 10 and you're considered illiterate. He will learn the playbook, it will just take him 10x longer than the average person.

Hell, most guys out of LSU are far below that. LSU isn't exactly a bastion of education!

 

[Jetstream Green]

If I was the NCAA, I would be dropping by the campus and looking into player grades. LSU does not carry that bad of a image here in the South and I know a lot of people who graduate from LSU that I would consider higly intelligent...so, how are their players able to keep their grades up when their observed intelligence leaves some questions...hmmmmm. Nothing like a good ol' college witch hunt to get things going lol. I always had huge questions concerning Vince Young. The University of Texas is a good university, and how was such a blunt pencil like Young able to slide on through...hmmmmmm

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm also guessing that, if we weren't blessed with an abundance of good corners, Horton would not be able to afford the luxury of bringing PP21 along more slowly and methodically.

uh... what? since when has this team been "blessed" with an "abundance" of food corners?!

 

[Mulli]

uh... what? since when has this team been "blessed" with an "abundance" of food corners?!

You have now used up your starting a post with "um" or "uh" privileges.

 

[AzStevenCal]

uh... what? since when has this team been "blessed" with an "abundance" of food corners?!

Always! We've been eaten alive at that position for years. Even as a typo, it pretty much nails most of the guys in our secondary for the last several years.

Steve

 

[crisper57]

uh... what? since when has this team been "blessed" with an "abundance" of food corners?!

I think there is one on the Terrace Level next to Mr. B's Bowtie BBQ.

 

[mjb21aztd]

well maybe we shouldn't have traded a pro bowl corner in drc uh.... I still have faith that Peterson will work out hopefully he isn't trying that hard cause it's only preseason. I'm still not a fan of the drc trade but that is because I brought his jersey only like 9 months ago ugh lol. But i'm sure Peterson will be fine, and Marshall might do some stuff for us. GO CARDS!!!!!

 

[JeffGollin]

uh... what? since when has this team been "blessed" with an "abundance" of good corners?!

Since now.

Mike Adams gets to be a very good no.5 behind Toler, Jefferson, Marshall and Toler.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So he's not smart enough to make the transition in a manner that satisfies his coordinator's timetable, but he is smart enough to learn 4 positions simultaneously?

Like I said, I don't get it. There is a disconnect there somewhere.

No, there is alot for him to absorb mentally in order to be effective in Horton's system. The rules are part of it, but also a completely different system than what he is used to. A backfield that relies primarily on zone coverage demands players understand each others role. One on one coverage is easier to "get" Peterson is going to be fine. He is not a dolt, he will get it and be great.

 

[JeffGollin]

And PP7 is not exactly the brightest bulb if wonderlic scores say anything about your smarts.
time.

Stat guys - Has anyone checked out the Wunderlics of guys who have been in the NFL for a number of years & done a correlation of success, failure with their Wunderlic scores? Any notable exceptions?

 

[kerouac9]

Since now.

Mike Adams gets to be a very good no.5 behind Toler, Jefferson, Marshall and Toler.

Just so you know, Jefferson and Peterson haven't proven to be anything in the NFL, and neither Toler, Marshall, or Adams are very good.

 

[jefftheshark]

With a Wonderlic score of "9" he's probably too smart to play in the CFL.

I'm trying to come up with a CFL comment about Peterson, but I'm drawing a blank.

Here ya go. See? It's easy.

JTS

 

[Chopper0080]

If any of you thought that Patrick Peterson would be anything more than the nickel cornerback to start the season, lay off the kool aid.

As far as Horton's comments, it is not unusual and there isn't any disconnect. Patrick Peterson is not picking up the CONCEPT of the defense as quickly as Ray would like so they are working him at more positions so that he understands what the ENTIRE defense is trying to accomplish.

Yes Horton could just put Peterson on the field and tell him to be an athlete, but that is a very short term solution. It is better to have him learn the entire scheme, that was Peterson can learn to be an athlete WITHIN that scheme rather than against it. See Troy Polamalu in Pittsburgh. They developed Troy to know the defensive concept and scheme that way when he goes rogue, he does it without sacrificing the integrity of the defense. The exact opposite of how the Cardinals developed DRC and Antrel Rolle.

 

[Krangodnzr]

GOOD LORD!

This isn't a typical offseason. Peterson didn't have the luxury of having minicamps, OTAs, and all the non-required practices that we normally have.

If you guys don't remember, DRC was AWFUL his first camp and about 10 weeks of the season. Give Peterson a break, he hasn't had the normal prep time. Horton is trying to send a less than subtle message to Peterson that he needs to put in extra time since he missed out on so much of the offseason.

Judge Peterson after the season, not now.

 

[Krangodnzr]

uh... what? since when has this team been "blessed" with an "abundance" of food corners?!

Since the days that we're not starting the David Macklins of the world.

IMO we have a nice group of young corners with solid potential. Whether they meet that potential is yet to be seen.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

PP scored a 9, a 9! Anything below 10 and you're considered illiterate. He will learn the playbook, it will just take him 10x longer than the average person.

He needs a fast food version of the playbook...just pictures, no words.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Just so you know, Jefferson and Peterson haven't proven to be anything in the NFL, and neither Toler, Marshall, or Adams are very good.

Maybe these food corners Cheese was talking about are all chopped liver.


btw, I just can't believe anyone would bag on Peterson at this point or make fun of his wonderlic score. sheesh, talking about eating your own young...

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Did the title of this thread get changed by OP to make PP look bad. I thought it was different earlier today.

I also find the intelligence attacks on him disgusting. He was the right pick. Let's leave it at that for a while

 

[Duckjake]

I just wish that for once the CKW/Michael/Graves combo could get a first round pick where everyone is posting "man he looks awesome" instead of having to explain why he hasn't.

 

[PJ1]

Horton insisting he learn the position before starting is a good sign in my opinion. Do it right even if it takes a little longer than the fans would like.

 

[crisper57]

Did the title of this thread get changed by OP to make PP look bad. I thought it was different earlier today.

I also find the intelligence attacks on him disgusting. He was the right pick. Let's leave it at that for a while

No it was not changed by me. I would never sink that low. I am saying that I, Crisper57, do not get how he is being taught. I did not intend this thread to be an attack on Peterson. Rather, I thought it was a curiosity that Horton would try to throw so much on a rookie at once, given the shortened offseason.

Then today, when Horton called back to Chuck and Vince, he said they aren't ruling out starting Peterson on Week 1. So this only compounds my confusion. Yesterday Horton was unhappy with his progress, today he's not ruling out a Week 1 start.

In another life, I used to teach. I subscribe to the theory that if a student is not grasping a concept, the teacher merely hasn't found a way to reach them yet. If PP is struggling, which is what his Coordinator said, then maybe the coaches should find a different way to bring him along. Maybe this kid, who I think will touch greatness eventually, will learn better if he can take on one position at a time.

Based on the two interviews, I took away that Peterson's brain is on overload with everything they are throwing at him and the transition to the pro's. That is to be expected, given the short offseason. I just hope they aren't doing him a disservice. That was all I was trying to say. I love the guy. I just question how the coaches are handling him, especially taking to the airwaves to air their concerns with his progress, when the failure to date is theirs, not his.

BTW, I am much much more excited about our new CB than I ever was about our third-choice DC.

 

[Russ Smith]

Stat guys - Has anyone checked out the Wunderlics of guys who have been in the NFL for a number of years & done a correlation of success, failure with their Wunderlic scores? Any notable exceptions?

It's been done and IIRC they basically said QB and OL are the 2 positions where there's a direct correlation between higher score and NFL success.

I'm pretty positive DB had the least correlation.

 

[DoTheDew]

It's been done and IIRC they basically said QB and OL are the 2 positions where there's a direct correlation between higher score and NFL success.

I'm pretty positive DB had the least correlation.

I think it basically worked out where the more important raw athleticism was to the position the less important wonderlic scores were in general. That's not to say it doesn't help to be smart, just that a freak athlete at DB who is dumb as rocks can still contribute whereas a freak athlete at QB who is dumb as rocks can't.