Peyton staying in Denver overnight

[imaCafan]

I want Manning in AZ soooooo freaking bad. It would be so much fun.

I hear you. I would give him whatever it takes, short of getting rid of Fitz, to get him to sign on the dotted line.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Even with the Cards involved I am getting tired of the 24 hour Manning watch. It's getting worse than Favre covergae. It will be worth it though once he signs with Arizona.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Sirius NFL Radio is speaking to the Dolphins beat writer Omar Kelly for the Sun Sentinel and just said he puts Miamis chances at 25% and expects Manning to sign with Denver. He cited Denver's cap room which would allow them to sign Manning, Wayne, Clark and Saturday and how Denver plays in the weakest division in football. He said he's not high on AZ either because they are over the cap and would have to "gut" some of their roster just to sign PM. Franchising Campbell instead of signing a long term deal could kill the Cards' chances. I love AZ's offense though. They wouldn't need to sign those guys that Denver would and their D is really good. We shall see.

 

[Buckybird]

Sirius NFL Radio is speaking to the Dolphins beat writer Omar Kelly for the Sun Sentinel and just said he puts Miamis chances at 25% and expects Manning to sign with Denver. He cited Denver's cap room which would allow them to sign Manning, Wayne, Clark and Saturday and how Denver plays in the weakest division in football. He said he's not high on AZ either because they are over the cap and would have to "gut" some of their roster just to sign PM. Franchising Campbell instead of signing a long term deal could kill the Cards' chances. I love AZ's offense though. They wouldn't need to sign those guys that Denver would and their D is really good. We shall see.

Another reason I don't think we get him! I wish we could but don't see it.

This isn't even considering the raminfications on the roster & cap next year, plus the 2-3 down the road while he's here.

I think it's pretty safe to say Mannings going to want Wayne or Garcon & probably Clark with him wherever he goes, considering their familiarity with that offense.

Signing Manning & his homies would probably spell the end Campbell, Beanie, AW, DD, DWash, Rhodes, etc. (some combination of those players). Manning & his boys will probably tie up 30+ mil in cap space which we don't have right now & would be pressed up against even by restructuring. Too think Graves & Co can all make this happen, IMO is a pipe dream.

 

[Renz]

Another reason I don't think we get him! I wish we could but don't see it.

This isn't even considering the raminfications on the roster & cap next year, plus the 2-3 down the road while he's here.

I think it's pretty safe to say Mannings going to want Wayne or Garcon & probably Clark with him wherever he goes, considering their familiarity with that offense.

I haven't seen anquote by Manning saying he wants any of his Colts teammates to move with him. That's the same as the reports that the Manning brothers want to play against each other in the Super Bowl. Pure media speculation.

Bringing old Colts to his new team won't be an issue, IMO.

 

[JAB]

Another reason I don't think we get him! I wish we could but don't see it.

This isn't even considering the raminfications on the roster & cap next year, plus the 2-3 down the road while he's here.

I think it's pretty safe to say Mannings going to want Wayne or Garcon & probably Clark with him wherever he goes, considering their familiarity with that offense.

Signing Manning & his homies would probably spell the end Campbell, Beanie, AW, DD, DWash, Rhodes, etc. (some combination of those players). Manning & his boys will probably tie up 30+ mil in cap space which we don't have right now & would be pressed up against even by restructuring. Too think Graves & Co can all make this happen, IMO is a pipe dream.

Our current cap Number as is today isn't a true representation of how much money we actually have to spend. Even though cutting Kevin Kolb only dropps 2 million off this seasons number it will free up over +10,000,000 each year after that. Plus our Number still has 18 million going to Brown and that's not going to happen. We are also going to cut some players like Joey Porter and that's going to save us close to 15 million. The first year might be a little tricky but going forward I don't see it keeping us from changing our team whatsoever. We easily IMO have the cap room, after all the moves are made. As far as Denver goes while Peyton Manning was visiting around four Denver Broncos players were suspended for doping for up to six games next season that certainly isn't going to help their case. I also believe if coach Ken Whisenhunt and Rod Graves can get Peyton Manning to see the Cardinals organization for who they are today and not the old stereotype from the SDS days before we had the revenue to compete on a level playing field I think they can show him realistically we are his best opportunity. I don't buy into the NFC is so much harder to make the SB. When was the last time the number one seed made it to the Super Bowl from the NFC? After playing the Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots every year out of 14 years and only going to two Super Bowl's I don't think he finds the AFC a cakewalk. And now you can throw Houston into the mix. For me it just depends if they can get him to see our organization for what it truly is today. If they can do that he will be an Arizona Cardinal.

 

[Buckybird]

Our current cap Number isn't a true representation of how much money we actually have to spend. Even though cutting Kevin Kolb only dropped 2 million office seasons number it will free up over +10,000,000 each year after that. Plus our Number still have 18 million going to Brown and that's not going to happen. We are also going to cut some players like Joey Porter and that's going to save us close to 15 million. The first year might be a little tricky but going forward I don't see it keeping us from changing our team whatsoever. We easily IMO have the cap room, after all the moves are made. As far as Denver goes while Peyton Manning was visiting around for Denver Broncos players were suspended for doping for up to six games next season that certainly isn't going to help their case. I also believe if coach Ken Whisenhunt and Rod Graves can get Peyton Manning to see the Cardinals organization for who they are today and not the old stereotype from the SDS days before we had the revenue to compete on a level playing field I think they can show him realistically we are his best opportunity. I don't buy into the NFC is so much harder to make the playoffs. When was the last time the number one seed made it to the Super Bowl from the NFC? After playing the Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots every year out of 14 years and only going to two Super Bowl's I don't think he finds the AFC a cakewalk. And now you can throw Houston into the mix. For me it just depends if they can get him to our organization for what it truly is today. If they can do that he will be an Arizona Cardinal.

Like I said, signing Manning & his homies will probably chew up most of the cap space we will have when all those moves are made to free up more room. I would do it, but signing him will diffantly cause issues in the future.

 

[joeshmo]

Signing Manning & his homies would probably spell the end Campbell, Beanie, AW, DD, DWash, Rhodes, etc. (some combination of those players). Manning & his boys will probably tie up 30+ mil in cap space which we don't have right now & would be pressed up against even by restructuring. Too think Graves & Co can all make this happen, IMO is a pipe dream.

You would not have to gut anything. Some easy moves could easily get you to where you need to be. The cap is such an easy beast to manipulate.

Plus everyone keeps assuming that Manning will only go somewhere if it is a package deal with Wayne just a few days ago. Now all of a sudden it has to be a package deal of Wayne, Garcon, Clark, and Saturday? Pure speculation from the media. Shoot why not add Bracket and a trade for Freeney to that list, its just as easy. Not to mention it is not a deal any team can approve considering FA hasn't started and would be big time tampering.

 

[joeshmo]

Like I said, signing Manning & his homies will probably chew up most of the cap space we will have when all those moves are made to free up more room. I would do it, but signing him will diffantly cause issues in the future.

Future issues is not a problem considering once the new TV deal hits the cap rises by a minimum of 30 mill in just one offseason.

 

[PDXChris]

Our current cap Number as is today isn't a true representation of how much money we actually have to spend. Even though cutting Kevin Kolb only dropps 2 million off this seasons number it will free up over +10,000,000 each year after that. Plus our Number still has 18 million going to Brown and that's not going to happen. We are also going to cut some players like Joey Porter and that's going to save us close to 15 million. The first year might be a little tricky but going forward I don't see it keeping us from changing our team whatsoever. We easily IMO have the cap room, after all the moves are made. As far as Denver goes while Peyton Manning was visiting around four Denver Broncos players were suspended for doping for up to six games next season that certainly isn't going to help their case. I also believe if coach Ken Whisenhunt and Rod Graves can get Peyton Manning to see the Cardinals organization for who they are today and not the old stereotype from the SDS days before we had the revenue to compete on a level playing field I think they can show him realistically we are his best opportunity. I don't buy into the NFC is so much harder to make the SB. When was the last time the number one seed made it to the Super Bowl from the NFC? After playing the Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots every year out of 14 years and only going to two Super Bowl's I don't think he finds the AFC a cakewalk. And now you can throw Houston into the mix. For me it just depends if they can get him to see our organization for what it truly is today. If they can do that he will be an Arizona Cardinal.

+1

 

[JAB]

Like I said, signing Manning & his homies will probably chew up most of the cap space we will have when all those moves are made to free up more room. I would do it, but signing him will diffantly cause issues in the future.

You're talking about three players. How much money is Reggie Wayne going to demand? You make it sound like he's still an 8 to 10 million-dollar wide receiver. Jeff Saturday is a soon-to-be 37-year-old center I don't think he's going to call for top dollar either. And I also don't believe with what we have it's mandatory to bring those guys in. I believe we can sell him with what we already have and he would probably rather we upgraded our left tackle instead of having Saturday anyways. I think he's a very intelligent player and isn't interested in just playing a couple seasons with his buddies for the fun of it. We have a young and very good defense after they got the system down. Our wide receivers are already good we know that from when we had a talented quarterback throwing them the ball. Doucet played very well with Warner which IMO helped with the decision to let a disgruntled Q go. As I stated after we make our personnel moves we will have plenty of money and I don't see it happening our team in the future whatsoever. Just cutting Kolb and redoing Brown alone will save us close to 20 millon each year after 2012 not to mention guys like Porter and we have a few. And I said 20 million instead of the true close to 30 million to leave room to sign a left tackle. Like I said IMO, we can sign him and improve our team as well.

 

[Totally_Red]

Salary cap won't keep Peyton Manning from signing with the Cardinals. Kent Somers has already reported that 6 of the 8-million dollar salary cap hit from cutting Kevin Kolb can be deferred to 2013. And a lot of space is cleared up by cutting Levi Brown. And the Cardinals shouldn't have to 'gut' the roster to accomodate Manning IMO.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Reports are Manning felt "very impressed" with Denver.

I don't feel the Cards will have to cut players either, just reporting what I heard this morning. I think you'll see some Cardinals restructure their deals to get Manning in. I'm still thinking he's a Cardinal. Makes too much sense.

 

[1DS]

There are a lot of reasons Manning will want to play in AZ over Denver...but this weekend's weather is not one of them. It's 65 and sunny here. It's a wash.

Haha, OMG ae you kidding me? That is nearly perfect weather.

Do Arizonians (?) consider 65 and sunny to be cold?

If it was 65 and sunny over here today I'd be playing 36.

 

[gamebird98]

Denver can keep him.

 

[wilycoyote24]

Haha, OMG ae you kidding me? That is nearly perfect weather.

Do Arizonians (?) consider 65 and sunny to be cold?

If it was 65 and sunny over here today I'd be playing 36.

I always found anything under 75 to be cold, but I've been told that I am a wimp when it comes to the cold.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sirius NFL Radio is speaking to the Dolphins beat writer Omar Kelly for the Sun Sentinel and just said he puts Miamis chances at 25% and expects Manning to sign with Denver. He cited Denver's cap room which would allow them to sign Manning, Wayne, Clark and Saturday and how Denver plays in the weakest division in football. He said he's not high on AZ either because they are over the cap and would have to "gut" some of their roster just to sign PM. Franchising Campbell instead of signing a long term deal could kill the Cards' chances. I love AZ's offense though. They wouldn't need to sign those guys that Denver would and their D is really good. We shall see.

Love it.

Example #1 of why so many were angry with the front office because they didn't give Campbell's deal done.

By not being a pro-action front office, they are just not competitive, and this is a prime example.

 

[JeffGollin]

Lots of contradictory cap info is flying around.

Joe - Would it be possible to organize the info as you know it so that is readable and not one humongous text-blob?

An Excel table charting players down the left side and Year 1, Year 2...Year 5 across the top (or something along those lines) would be really swell.

Thank you.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Love it.

Example #1 of why so many were angry with the front office because they didn't give Campbell's deal done.

By not being a pro-action front office, they are just not competitive, and this is a prime example.

.... because, of course, they can't sign CC to a long term deal now or anytime before July...

If anything a Peyton deal would put added pressure to get a deal with CC sooner than later, and getting Manning in doesn't involve in any way a gutting of the roster. I'm no capologist, but still would have no problem creating #30M+ in CAP space with only Kolb and Stuckey as definitely off the September roster.

 

[PDXChris]

If Manning signs with Denver, then both Elway and Manning are idiots. Manning will shorten the remainder of his career by playing in that climate and with the support cast their, may actually miss the window. For Elway, you are going to pay a QB 60 million over three years and because of climate may not even play out the contract, also how many games can you see him missing in November and December because the cold weather is causing him to have a stiff neck?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

If Manning signs with Denver, then both Elway and Manning are idiots. Manning will shorten the remainder of his career by playing in that climate and with the support cast their, may actually miss the window. For Elway, you are going to pay a QB 60 million over three years and because of climate may not even play out the contract, also how many games can you see him missing in November and December because the cold weather is causing him to have a stiff neck?

In the end, I think it's the Elway legacy and the second coming of Jesus freaks, that are going to drive Manning to another choice.

Like in Indy, I suspect that PM simply wants to play football with a minimum of outside distractions.

It's outside distractions, that I believe would have prevented PM from seriously considering either the Jets (sharing NY with his brother) or Washington (playing his brother twice a season).

 

[CtCardinals78]

.... because, of course, they can't sign CC to a long term deal now or anytime before July...

If anything a Peyton deal would put added pressure to get a deal with CC sooner than later, and getting Manning in doesn't involve in any way a gutting of the roster. I'm no capologist, but still would have no problem creating #30M+ in CAP space with only Kolb and Stuckey as definitely off the September roster.

I agree. But while I think the Cardinals are the most logical choice for PM, out of the final 3 the Cardinals are in the worse cap situation, which can only hurt. I don't think the Cards will have to gut their roster either, but they will have to cut players and possibly restructure some deals. Who know what he wants, but if one of his stipulations are for the team to sign some of his old teammates the Cards are at a disadvantage. If its not then I think the Broncos and Dolphins are at the disadvantage.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I agree. But while I think the Cardinals are the most logical choice for PM, out of the final 3 the Cardinals are in the worse cap situation, which can only hurt. I don't think the Cards will have to gut their roster either, but they will have to cut players and possibly restructure some deals. Who know what he wants, but if one of his stipulations are for the team to sign some of his old teammates the Cards are at a disadvantage. If its not then I think the Broncos and Dolphins are at the disadvantage.

Can't imagine PM stipulating the signing of former teammates, but, could see Denver or Miami throwing this chip in. This, however, could be seen by PM as more desperation than sound football business decisions.

Again, if his package comes in at $20M per year or less, the Cards can manage this with a few creative moves and still answer some other pressing needs in Free Agency.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I agree. But while I think the Cardinals are the most logical choice for PM, out of the final 3 the Cardinals are in the worse cap situation, which can only hurt. I don't think the Cards will have to gut their roster either, but they will have to cut players and possibly restructure some deals. Who know what he wants, but if one of his stipulations are for the team to sign some of his old teammates the Cards are at a disadvantage. If its not then I think the Broncos and Dolphins are at the disadvantage.

Cutting Levi, and a simple restructure of Larry to make his next roster bonus a signing bonus will save $30M in cap space. Could also push off Kolb's cap hit until next year(when the cap likely goes up) if absolutely necessarly. Solved.

 

[jw7]

Here are Peyton's recent numbers @Den

2010 27-43 325yds 3 TDs 0 INT 109.2 QBR

2006 32-39 345yds 3TDs 0 INT 129.2 QBR

He plays pretty well there.