PFW: First-round pick filling the bill up to now

[Sandan]

Attitude? If by attitude you mean boatloads of confidence, then I agree. Deion was, and continues to be, the best cover corner ever. He can have all the attitude he wants, IMO.

I expect you mean to say except for Annias Williams, Deion .....

 

[Buckybird]

I expect you mean to say except for Annias Williams, Deion .....

You mean Aeneas? I would take #35 over Peion anyday.

 

[earthsci]

1. Deion was brought up to make the point that it really isn't that big of a deal if DRC isn't the greatest open field tackeler. His job isn't to bring down bruising RBs that break into the open.
2. Deion was better than Aeneas as a COVER corner.

 

[Mulli]

1. Deion was brought up to make the point that it really isn't that big of a deal if DRC isn't the greatest open field tackeler. His job isn't to bring down bruising RBs that break into the open.
2. Deion was better than Aeneas as a COVER corner.

Yes, he was.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Deion was a better corner, and it isn't even close.

I love Aeneas, but we are comparing Kurt Warner and Joe Montana here.

 

[Mulli]

Deion was a better corner, and it isn't even close.

I love Aeneas, but we are comparing Kurt Warner and Joe Montana here.

Yes, we are.

 

[Buckybird]

The stats say Aeneas was better (interpret how you want) or just as good

Aeneas-13 seasons
-795 tackles
-55 int's
-9 tds
- 3 sacks
-5 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-5 x all pro

Sanders-16 seasons
- 513 tackles
-53 int's
-9 tds
-1 sack
-0 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-9 x all pro

I bet most you guys didn't even realize #35 led or tied him in EVERY category except times he was all pro. Most people WAY under estimate how good Aeneas was. He's was the consumate pro, without all the talk about how he was (Deion) and is the probably the single most reason our new stadium is built out in the cotton fields of Glendale.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The stats say Aeneas was better (interpret how you want) or just as good

Aeneas-13 seasons
-795 tackles
-55 int's
-9 tds
- 3 sacks
-5 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-5 x all pro

Sanders-16 seasons
- 513 tackles
-53 int's
-9 tds
-1 sack
-0 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-9 x all pro

I bet most you guys didn't even realize #35 led or tied him in EVERY category except times he was all pro. Most people WAY under estimate how good Aeneas was. He's was the consumate pro, without all the talk about how he was (Deion) and is the probably the single most reason our new stadium is built out in the cotton fields of Glendale.

I'll just disagree with you. I don't think anyone outside of AZ would select Aeneas over Deion if they had the choice. I also have no idea how you can say the new stadium was built because of Aeneas. How did you come up with that one?

 

[JeffGollin]

We Need Him

We need a CB in our secondary who's really big, speedy and athletic.

Is DRC ready? If not, how soon?

Ready or not, all I know is that we need what he can deliver physically.

THE PRESIDIO RULE
Presidio was a Clint Eastwood movie featuring marine platoon whose job was to roll over and play dead for the CO's favorite platoon of "aggressor forces." (You never saw a more dog-assed bunch of soldiers until Eastwood came along to make them believers).

What I'm wondering is: Is it necessarily a good thing to match up a young kid against a super star in drills? Could going up against Fitz work against DRC's confidence and actually impede his development because there'd be few opportunities for "positive reinforcement."

I always suspected that Buddy Ryan's attempts to make his defense "the aggressor platoon" in drills was one reason why his offenses sucked. They were beaten up repeatedly in practice and probably assumed they sucked when it came to game time. Just wondering.

Discuss.

 

[earthsci]

The stats say Aeneas was better (interpret how you want) or just as good

Aeneas-13 seasons
-795 tackles
-55 int's
-9 tds
- 3 sacks
-5 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-5 x all pro

Sanders-16 seasons
- 513 tackles
-53 int's
-9 tds
-1 sack
-0 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-9 x all pro

I bet most you guys didn't even realize #35 led or tied him in EVERY category except times he was all pro. Most people WAY under estimate how good Aeneas was. He's was the consumate pro, without all the talk about how he was (Deion) and is the probably the single most reason our new stadium is built out in the cotton fields of Glendale.

Pretty impressive except for the fact that Sanders didn't play 16 years. He played 13 and 2 of them were after he came out of a 3 year retirement and played as an (in NFL years) old man. Look at the All-Pro part. Deion was 1st Team All-Pro 6 times, Aeneas 3 times. This whole argument is about who was a better COVER corner. At least that is what I'm talking about. Tackles and sacks mean nothing. A good corner doesn't get gaudy stats because they aren't being thrown against. The passer is going to the other side.

 

[Totally_Red]

I'll just disagree with you. I don't think anyone outside of AZ would select Aeneas over Deion if they had the choice. I also have no idea how you can say the new stadium was built because of Aeneas. How did you come up with that one?

Troy Aikman said Aeneas was the best all-around cornerback he played against. This was a couple years ago when Aeneas was playing for the Rams.

If you throw in return abilities, it might be different.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Troy Aikman said Aeneas was the best all-around cornerback he played against. This was a couple years ago when Aeneas was playing for the Rams.

If you throw in return abilities, it might be different.

Troy Aikman has also had way too many concussions.

 

[football karma]

Pretty impressive except for the fact that Sanders didn't play 16 years. He played 13 and 2 of them were after he came out of a 3 year retirement and played as an (in NFL years) old man. Look at the All-Pro part. Deion was 1st Team All-Pro 6 times, Aeneas 3 times. This whole argument is about who was a better COVER corner. At least that is what I'm talking about. Tackles and sacks mean nothing. A good corner doesn't get gaudy stats because they aren't being thrown against. The passer is going to the other side.

All Pro is as much a function of hype and popularity as skill

Deion played on national tv alot

Aeneas hardly played on national tv at all

 

[Mulli]

I don't think it can be denied that Neon played with better pass rushes, but I would still put him above AWilliams.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't think it can be denied that Neon played with better pass rushes, but I would still put him above AWilliams.

You don't know football!

 

[BigRedRage]

if i had to pick for my team it would be Williams.

 

[earthsci]

All Pro is as much a function of hype and popularity as skill

Deion played on national tv alot

Aeneas hardly played on national tv at all

We're not talking Pro Bowl. We're talking All-Pro. No fans voting.

 

[earthsci]

if i had to pick for my team it would be Williams.

If I had to pick the skill set for DRC to have, Williams or Sanders, I would be happy as hell to have either.

 

[Shogun]

The stats say Aeneas was better (interpret how you want) or just as good

Aeneas-13 seasons
-795 tackles
-55 int's
-9 tds
- 3 sacks
-5 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-5 x all pro

Sanders-16 seasons
- 513 tackles
-53 int's
-9 tds
-1 sack
-0 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-9 x all pro

I bet most you guys didn't even realize #35 led or tied him in EVERY category except times he was all pro. Most people WAY under estimate how good Aeneas was. He's was the consumate pro, without all the talk about how he was (Deion) and is the probably the single most reason our new stadium is built out in the cotton fields of Glendale.

Stats don't tell the whole story.

 

[Buckybird]

You don't know football!

I forgot you played in the NFL and was also a head coach and GM in the same league while us "Monday morning QB's" have never been in your shoes.

 

[cardsloco]

The stats say Aeneas was better (interpret how you want) or just as good

Aeneas-13 seasons
-795 tackles
-55 int's
-9 tds
- 3 sacks
-5 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-5 x all pro

Sanders-16 seasons
- 513 tackles
-53 int's
-9 tds
-1 sack
-0 forced fumbles
-8 pro bowls
-9 x all pro

I bet most you guys didn't even realize #35 led or tied him in EVERY category except times he was all pro. Most people WAY under estimate how good Aeneas was. He's was the consumate pro, without all the talk about how he was (Deion) and is the probably the single most reason our new stadium is built out in the cotton fields of Glendale.

I agree completely. The statement of him being the greatest CB is off as well. Woodson was better then Deion, as was Blount and Haynes. Deion was very good, but truly great players aren't pushed from team to team. Williams played on undermanned teams and still made his presence felt when they attacked the opposite field.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I think I would take Darrell Green over anyone, but I would also prefer Williams over Deion. He was the more complete player IMO.

 

[football karma]

We're not talking Pro Bowl. We're talking All-Pro. No fans voting.

which is voted by the media

 

[Longcolts]

We need a CB in our secondary who's really big, speedy and athletic.

Is DRC ready? If not, how soon?

Ready or not, all I know is that we need what he can deliver physically.

THE PRESIDIO RULE
Presidio was a Clint Eastwood movie featuring marine platoon whose job was to roll over and play dead for the CO's favorite platoon of "aggressor forces." (You never saw a more dog-assed bunch of soldiers until Eastwood came along to make them believers).

What I'm wondering is: Is it necessarily a good thing to match up a young kid against a super star in drills? Could going up against Fitz work against DRC's confidence and actually impede his development because there'd be few opportunities for "positive reinforcement."

I always suspected that Buddy Ryan's attempts to make his defense "the aggressor platoon" in drills was one reason why his offenses sucked. They were beaten up repeatedly in practice and probably assumed they sucked when it came to game time. Just wondering.

Discuss.

Wrong movie my friend..that was Heartbreak Ridge. The Presidio was a movie with Mark Harmon in it. I remember it well as I was once stationed there! The Presidio I mean.

 

[Skkorpion]

This thread was about DRC. Retired DBs matter not in considering 'Nique's upside.

(Having a CB named Dominique feels discomfitting because it's a girl's name in French. I keep singing the refrain relentlessly, in my head, of the song done by the French singing nun about Dominique, circa 1968. So I did the American thing and abbreviated the name so I could use it more comfortably.
Looking at it now, that's worse because well, if French slang hasn't changed a lot since I moved back to the US, it means, uh ...)

Wrestling with Jeff's suggestion that going up against Fitz in practice might stunt or destroy Nique'sdiscomfiting confidence, I think it's unlikely. Whisenhunt hasn't set up Buddy Ryan type inter-team offense-defense aggression.

And my impression is Nique won't be thrown in unprepared or too early as a starter. If anything, he might be brought along more slowly than he'd like, precisely to avoid situations where a blown play by him could cost us a game.

I have nothing sound to offer as proof. Just my interpretation of the way I see Whisenhunt running this team so far.

Back to the suggestion of using "Nique" instead of Dominique or DRC, which both suck. It really is a great name for a CB. Think of it more as what the opposing WR would yell, in the English version, as Nique takes a pick 72 yards back for a score.