PHO/BOS proposal

[elindholm]

Phoenix gets
Paul Pierce ($16.4 million in 2007-08, expires 2011)
Al Jefferson (2.5, RFA 2008)
Theo Ratliff (11.7, 2008)

Boston gets
Amare Stoudemire (13.3, 2011)
Boris Diaw (9.0, 2012)
Kurt Thomas (8.1, 2008)
#29 pick

Why Phoenix does it:
They get a first-option scorer who can create his own shot, an appealing low-post prospect, and the opportunity to clear out Diaw's salary. They'd probably have to start Jefferson at center, but hey, this is the Suns, they don't care. If Ratliff sits the entire season, he might get healthy enough to play a few playoff games before hurting himself again.

Why Boston does it:
They get an All-NBA big man for the disaffected Pierce and add two additional pieces (Diaw and the #29 pick) to their developing young core.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

That's an interesting and reasonable proposal. I'm not sure the Celtics would bite on trading Jefferson given his potential, but at the very least it's intriguing for both teams.

 

[fordronken]

I can't see the Celtics giving up Pierce and Jefferson. Not that it isn't a good trade for them, but it seems like Ainge thinks Al Jefferson is the next Tim Duncan.

If I were going to give up Amare for a young big guy, I'd want Chris Bosh. He seems like a real team player and has a good outside shot.

 

[dodie53]

will PP be effective is the ball is always on nash's hands?

but overall,
i kinda like that trade too..
i think big AL is going to be good but definitely not the next duncan

 

[tobiazz]

Not the worst deal ever by any means. The problem I see is that the Suns would have to overpay after next season to keep Jefferson and then we will hear the same bitching we hear all the time about Marion. Some team with cap room would offer Jefferson superstar money, even if he is borderline all-star level, and the Suns would have to match or make a lame trade (see JJ).

 

[Forrestham]

I think it is lopsided toward Boston. pierce has been injury prone and the otehr players are unproven. This trade would turn us in to a 45 win team

 

[elindholm]

If I were going to give up Amare for a young big guy, I'd want Chris Bosh. He seems like a real team player and has a good outside shot.

True, but I think it's safe to say he's completely unavailable. And actually he's a BYC player this summer anyway.

 

[slinslin]

No way. Al Jefferson will never even be half as good as Amare.

 

[Folster]

Nobody on Boston really interests me. I'm not a proponent of trading Amare, but I would rather see a deal with Memphis.

Phoenix gets:
Pau Gasol
one of the following: Mike Miller/Hakim Warrick/Rudy Gay
filler if needed

Memphis gets:
Amare Stoudemire
Boris Diaw

or

Phoenix gets:
Pau Gasol
and the #4

Memphis gets:
Amare Stoudemire

 

[mr_sunshine]

Lopsided in Boston's favor? How so? They give up their two best players and get basically Amare in return.

 

[elindholm]

Nobody on Boston really interests me. I'm not a proponent of trading Amare, but I would rather see a deal with Memphis.

Phoenix gets:
Pau Gasol
one of the following: Mike Miller/Hakim Warrick/Rudy Gay
filler if needed

Memphis gets:
Amare Stoudemire
Boris Diaw

Heh, great minds think alike. I just posted this in another thread.

 

[Folster]

I'll move mine.

 

[Mainstreet]

I understand this proposed trade is all about the LT, but I am not yet ready to toss Amare and Boris in the trash can. I do think the Suns would be better off without both Amare and Boris on the same team. Also I do not foresee any improvement in team chemistry with the added players. Essentially I think the Suns would be blowing up the team.

If I were a gambling man, I would make Boris the Suns center and go with the team that made it to the WCF last season with the addition of some nice role players. Since Amare has probably the best market value of any player on the Suns (but Boris very little), this might be the time to move Amare and keep the other core players together. I would love to get a high draft pick out of such a deal. I guess I'm betting on the Suns system, team chemistry and D'Antoni's coaching ability.

 

[Folster]

I understand this proposed trade is all about the LT, but I am not yet ready to toss Amare and Boris in the trash can. I do think the Suns would be better off without both Amare and Boris on the same team. Also I do not foresee any improvement in team chemistry with the added players. Essentially I think the Suns would be blowing up the team.

If I were a gambling man, I would make Boris the Suns center and go with the team that made it to the WCF last season with the addition of some nice role players. Since Amare has probably the best market value of any player on the Suns (but Boris very little), this might be the time to move Amare and keep the other core players together. I would love to get a high draft pick out of such a deal. I guess I'm betting on the Suns system, team chemistry and D'Antoni's coaching ability.

The only reason we made it to the WCF last year was because we didn't have to play San Antonio or Dallas. Same as Utah this year.

 

[Mainstreet]

Phoenix gets:
Pau Gasol
and the #4

Memphis gets:
Amare Stoudemire

This is more to my liking. That #4 pick could be an extremely good player.

 

[dodie53]

I understand this proposed trade is all about the LT, but I am not yet ready to toss Amare and Boris in the trash can. I do think the Suns would be better off without both Amare and Boris on the same team. Also I do not foresee any improvement in team chemistry with the added players. Essentially I think the Suns would be blowing up the team.

If I were a gambling man, I would make Boris the Suns center and go with the team that made it to the WCF last season with the addition of some nice role players. Since Amare has probably the best market value of any player on the Suns (but Boris very little), this might be the time to move Amare and keep the other core players together. I would love to get a high draft pick out of such a deal. I guess I'm betting on the Suns system, team chemistry and D'Antoni's coaching ability.

the line up that made the WCF last season was:

C - boris
PF - marion
SF - tim thomas
SG - bell
PG - nash

if the suns trade amare, can they get a player with the size and shooting touch of TT?
and
i hope the suns upgrade their SG position..

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Personally I am not a fan of paul pierce, volume shooters always freak me out in general but pierce really freaks me out.

Keep in mind the celtics are a bad team and have been for along time, pierce has always been the constant.

 

[Mainstreet]

The only reason we made it to the WCF last year was because we didn't have to play San Antonio or Dallas. Same as Utah this year.

I'm not saying the Suns should hold pat. The Suns would likely be able to get a good frontline player with the #4 pick plus a good 1-3.

 

[Mainstreet]

Personally I am not a fan of paul pierce, volume shooters always freak me out in general but pierce really freaks me out.

Keep in mind the celtics are a bad team and have been for along time, pierce has always been the constant.

I agree about Pierce. Team chemistry on the Suns would certainly suffer.

 

[tobiazz]

Personally I am not a fan of paul pierce, volume shooters always freak me out in general but pierce really freaks me out.

Keep in mind the celtics are a bad team and have been for along time, pierce has always been the constant.

His overall FG% is not great but he can hit the 3 with ease and can get to the line at will. He would be a killer small forward on this team. The problem is that we have to send a good player to them.

Jefferson, Marion, Pierce, Bell/Barbs, Nash would be a pretty damn good lineup.

 

[slinslin]

A terribly small lineup..

 

[cly2tw]

Their two best players? They aint worth half of Amare. The problem I have with Eric's proposal here is that the resulting roster has no chance to win anything. Can Jeffery either defend or score against Duncan well? Pierce gives us a strong scorer, but if Kobe can't really overcome Bowen's defense, can Paul? I can't really imagine any trade scenario involving Amare that'd give us a better chance with what we have yet the approach modified to optimally utilize the talents of Amare and Diaw.

Also, I think Diaw is still quite valuable despite the season he had.

 

[cly2tw]

His overall FG% is not great but he can hit the 3 with ease and can get to the line at will. He would be a killer small forward on this team. The problem is that we have to send a good player to them.

Jefferson, Marion, Pierce, Bell/Barbs, Nash would be a pretty damn good lineup.

Well, if we could get Pierce for Marion + pick(s), then

Amare/Diaw/Pierce/Bell/Nash with Kurt/LB as the main backup is a far superior lineup.

 

[mr_sunshine]

Well, if we could get Pierce for Marion + pick(s), then

Amare/Diaw/Pierce/Bell/Nash with Kurt/LB as the main backup is a far superior lineup.

No way the Celts would give up Pierce for that. Ainge has been pretty explicit and in saying Al and Pierce are untouchable.

 

[mr_sunshine]

Their two best players? They aint worth half of Amare. The problem I have with Eric's proposal here is that the resulting roster has no chance to win anything. Can Jeffery either defend or score against Duncan well? Pierce gives us a strong scorer, but if Kobe can't really overcome Bowen's defense, can Paul? I can't really imagine any trade scenario involving Amare that'd give us a better chance with what we have yet the approach modified to optimally utilize the talents of Amare and Diaw.

Also, I think Diaw is still quite valuable despite the season he had.

I dare say Al and Pierce are worth Amare. Jefferson has one of the biggest upsides in the league. He's an absolute beast down low. He can face up, play back to the basket, and take people off the dribble. And well Pierce is Pierce. We all know how good he is.

As far as playing against the Spurs, the Celts were actually 1-1 against them this year. And when they lost it was only by 4 playing without Pierce. Jefferson and Pierce both posted impressive numbers in those games.