Plummer Is A Pro Bowler

[Rats]

Originally posted by nidan
I seperated these are they are two seperate things you conviently rolled up into one cheap shot.

We brought in 7 FAs out of the 9 we went after, that sounds like trying to bring talent to men. Problem was we aere too shallow to solve the problem in one offseason and you know it.

Not had we been a little luckier and not lost some key players to IR, I think we could have been contending for the playoffs. As it is we will need luck as well (not to mention Bryant and Big back from injury). But I suspect uop know this as well.

As for the cap money left over, that has nothing ot do with the first part. It isn't there because RG didn't want to spend it. It's there because there wasn't sufficient talent in the FA pool to make it worth spending it. It will be better used in resigning players this year and free up more cap $$ next year.

Before you rant at me about people like Hugh Douglas, at the time we were not so thin on the DL. By my count we have one DL on IR and 2 inured and inactive.

A healthy Starks would help thre pass rush as well, that's called coverage sacks.

There was no cheap shot there...your definition of not a bad line and a front office that is doing a good job are differant than mine...I can back mine up...all you can say is we brought in 9 and signed seven Fa. I can still say we are starting a bunch of stiffs on our DLIne. Even with injuries we would have had the worst DLINe in our division...this is a fact....we needed a pass rusher...we didn't get one....The coaching staff will get fired. ..We will start rebuilding again...this right here defeats your theory...of better to have dollars to resign players and free up cap space for next year....we will be rebuilding under another coach next year...and we have all seen that before....I think you make some of this up as you go along.......

 

[Sandan]

You are entitled to your opinon but I don't share it.

But for me our DL really needs some more umph at DE, which I got the impression from Mac that he thinks Kenny Kiny can help with. It also needs Bryant back.

Our DL problem is that only 1/2 of it is active (less if you count KVB) that what we planned on. How was RG & MAc supposed to expect those injuries ?

Once we get those players back, it should help some. How much, I don't know and neither do you. We got a pass rusher in Pace and we were not expecting the rest to go down.

Also part of the pass rush is the coverage, this is really limitewd without Starks, which you also are ignoring.

There I've backed it up with some reaonable responses. All you can say is they are stiffs and imply the Cardinals are too cheap to bring players in. Not true, we snatched Dexter from the jaws of the Steelers and apart from that one boneheaded fumble he has been playing well.

I see I've repeated myself soemwaht, but you are ignoring what I am posting.

 

[Sandan]

BTW: I'm not sure where I actaully posted that the DL is not bad or that the front office is doing a good job.

But to make you happy ...

Actually I think RG is trying to repair years of neglect on the part of ownership and management. I believe he has done a reasonable job given the hand he was dealt at the start oif the offseason.

Not great, some things could have been improved. Some of those things are obvious with hindsight, some maybe he could have just done better.

My bottom line is though that RG is not making knee jerk reactions like BB Jr did wiyth Jake's contract, or Fergie pissing Rice off and that is an improvement as is the resigning of the players he has already completed.

 

[AZ Shocker]

Now thats funny. I almost spit tea all over my monitor.

I was pretty proud of that myself!
Hey, watch out for those Wildcats next week!

 

[KingofCards]

Originally posted by HookemCards
Now thats funny. I almost spit tea all over my monitor.

Tea??? Your from Texas so I know you meant Whiskey right?

 

[vince56]

Originally posted by Bobcat
And here is why.
1. Why have palyers that have been cut here like Darwin Walker, Mario Futafahi. Become strters with other teams, and have preformed well if not pro bowl like.
2. Sim. Rice now can play the run.
3. Cory Cevous (sp) now can play the pass.
4. Jake now looks like a Pro Bowl QB.
5. Needney when not hurt can kick the ball into the end zone on kickoffs.

Well here is why and I don't think even you can dispute these facts.
1. We are still feeling the effects of the Buddy Ryan.
a.) We fired him and brought in Mr. Tobin, fired him but kept his staff.
b.) Mac can motivate but really can't coach as a head coach. the only real coach he has is our OF.
c.) The same damn owner.

Allan

I completely agree. The timing with Nedney was bad. Jacke was the right choice at the time, heck Jacke provided some of my fondest cardinal memories.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Originally posted by KingofCards
Tea??? Your from Texas so I know you meant Whiskey right?

I think that is Texas Tea!

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by AzWins23
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS HOW DID BLAKE DO??? THanks!!!!!

Broncos 4-0
Arizona 1-3

I'm trying to think of your last post that wasn't basically bashing the Cards?

Jake has played the best 3 game stretch of his career, all one half of course the 2nd halves this year he's been very mediocre.

But he had 6 years and 82 starts to show that here and didn't he can't play well unless he's on a team as good as he is now, we're not that team. Jake I believe now has 6 first quarter TD passes, he had 9 in 6 years here and he's got 6 in 4 starts there!

Of course it helps to have a coach who recognizes that your debut was so bad it's putting a lot of doubt into the team and the fans so he gives you 4 td passes of less than 5 yards over the next 3 games to boost your confidence. Not saying a TD isn't a TD, just that most of his TD passes are in situations where they could have just ran the ball in, and in past years WOULD have just ran the ball in, but Shanahan has been running play action TD passes for Jake to use his feet, send a message to future opponents, and boost Jake's confidence. It's good coaching but is it somewhat "inflating" his stats.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by KingofCards
******** Jake humpers make me sick.

Idaho is in Canada anyway right? Is Canada a state yet or do they still consider themselves a country?

Your answer from North of the border:

 

[Russ Smith]

To correct myself Jake has 5 TD's in the first quarter not 6.

 

[Tangodnzr]

quote:
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Originally posted by KingofCards
******** Jake humpers make me sick.

Idaho is in Canada anyway right? Is Canada a state yet or do they still consider themselves a country?
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Originally posted by Northern Card
Your answer from North of the border:

Thank you Northern. Why this original post was not dealt with in any fashion by the mods here is almost as bad as the ignorance of the post itself.

 

[HookemCards]

Originally posted by KingofCards
Tea??? Your from Texas so I know you meant Whiskey right?

Tea is what we call anything that is only 100 to 150 proof. Whiskey is for anything over 150. So Bacardi 151 and Everclear are really the only true "whiskeys" here.

 

[shake-n-bake]

Of course it helps to have a coach who recognizes that your debut was so bad it's putting a lot of doubt into the team and the fans so he gives you 4 td passes of less than 5 yards over the next 3 games to boost your confidence. Not saying a TD isn't a TD, just that most of his TD passes are in situations where they could have just ran the ball in, and in past years WOULD have just ran the ball in, but Shanahan has been running play action TD passes for Jake to use his feet, send a message to future opponents, and boost Jake's confidence. It's good coaching but is it somewhat "inflating" his stats.

Russ I hate to post on your board but I gotta call you on something when I see it. here are Jakes TD passes so far.


Vs San diego
12yd td pass to shannon sharpe
1yd td pass to ruben droughns
6yd pass to cooper carslie

Vs Oakland
18yd td pass to shannon sharpe
44yd td pass to ashley lelie

Vs Detroit
29yd pass to ashley lelie
1yd pass to shannon sharpe

so whlie has 2 one yard TD passes all the rest are from outside the five yard line. But you are right on one thing. It is good coaching

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by shake-n-bake
Russ I hate to post on your board but I gotta call you on something when I see it. here are Jakes TD passes so far.


Vs San diego
12yd td pass to shannon sharpe
1yd td pass to ruben droughns
6yd pass to cooper carslie

Vs Oakland
18yd td pass to shannon sharpe
44yd td pass to ashley lelie

Vs Detroit
29yd pass to ashley lelie
1yd pass to shannon sharpe

so whlie has 2 one yard TD passes all the rest are from outside the five yard line. But you are right on one thing. It is good coaching

I was counting the 6 yarder but you're right, for some reason that 12 yarder seemed shorter to me.

But it's a perfect example of SHanahan realizing I need to get this guy some confidence right now before I lose him since he played so badly against Cincy. So instead of just running the ball in he designs play action plays, let's Jake use his feet, and get a TD pass out of it. The team still scores, but now Jake's confidence is back.

AS I have said on the Denver board, I am truly amazed at how well Shanahan has Jake playing, he's putting him in situations where he just can't fail. He can't do it all year because the opponents will get better but by doing it now, he's got Jake in the right mindset so that when they need Jake in a more competitive game, he's more likely to respond.

 

[Skkorpion]

Tango, "the mods" don't see every post immediately. When we do, we handle it.

KingofCards, you overstepped. You now get a three day break from ASFN.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Tango, "the mods" don't see every post immediately. When we do, we handle it.

KingofCards, you overstepped. You now get a three day break from ASFN.

Thank You.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Thank You.

 

[Lex]

Russ- where are your stats that show Jakes rushing yardage?

How about the stats that show Jake picking up a block for Portis, on a broken play, that got Portis an additional 25 yards?

How about the first downs Jake picked up by rushing?

How about the escapability factor, when instead of taking a sack, he gets away and runs for a first down?

How about Jakes completion percentage, take out his deliberate throw aways, then whats his percentage?

Jake's new team trailed for the first time this year yesterday. Perhaps next week against the chefs, he can show donkey fans one of his patented late game comebacks. If you think they like him now...

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
Russ- where are your stats that show Jakes rushing yardage?

How about the stats that show Jake picking up a block for Portis, on a broken play, that got Portis an additional 25 yards?

How about the first downs Jake picked up by rushing?

How about the escapability factor, when instead of taking a sack, he gets away and runs for a first down?

How about Jakes completion percentage, take out his deliberate throw aways, then whats his percentage?

Jake's new team trailed for the first time this year yesterday. Perhaps next week against the chefs, he can show donkey fans one of his patented late game comebacks. If you think they like him now...

When did I say Jake couldn't run? I specifically said Shanahan put him in a situation where he could use his feet and get some confidence going early in the games.

Since you want to argue stats have you looked at Jake first half and second half this year? 71% rating of 130, 53% rating of 43.5 second half. I think it's too early to tell but it sure appears like Shanahan play calls the first quarter and makes Jake look great, the other teams adjust, and then Jake is just mediocre the rest of the way. The difference so far is he hasn't thrown a 2nd half pick in the last 2 weeks while being mediocre.

So next week with the Chiefs will be interesting, I hope Portis is back I want to see both teams at full strength since they appear to be the class of the AFC at the moment.

 

[Lex]

Russ- do you think the lower rating in the second half could have something to do with the fact that all thier games are over at halftime, and if a play isn't wide open he throws it away?

Would you rather have a QB with a higher first, or second half rating?

Jake didn't play the second half of the Charger game, and I think he came out of the Raider blowout too didn't he?

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
Russ- do you think the lower rating in the second half could have something to do with the fact that all thier games are over at halftime, and if a play isn't wide open he throws it away?

Would you rather have a QB with a higher first, or second half rating?

Jake didn't play the second half of the Charger game, and I think he came out of the Raider blowout too didn't he?

Lex I have been saying for 6 years I want a QB who plays better in the FIRST HALF. You spent a lot of posts here arguing that Jake's 4th quarter ability was too valuable to bench, now suddenly you want to make that statement?

Jake played the 2nd half of Cincy, Oakland and Detroit. he missed parts of Cincy and Oakland. he's 18-34 in the second half. He was 9-17 yesterday in a close game.

I think it's a testament to Shanahan that he is able to scheme things all week that give Jake wide open looks early in games. They've been far enough ahead in 3 of the first 4 games that it didn't matter after that. yesterday it did matter but they had a good enough defense to overcome their offense in the 2nd half.

We'll see, the next 4 games are KC, Pittsburgh, Minnesota and the Ravens, that'll be a much better test of how far Jake has come as an NFL QB.

 

[Dback Jon]

Plummer a Pro Bowler? Not hardly.
You think he is better than:

Peyton Manning?
Steve McNair?
Drew Bledsoe?
Trent Green?

Any one of those QBs are far better than Jake ever dreams about being. No chance for Jake to get to be a Pro Bowler.

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
Plummer a Pro Bowler? Not hardly.
You think he is better than:

Peyton Manning?
Steve McNair?
Drew Bledsoe?
Trent Green?

Any one of those QBs are far better than Jake ever dreams about being. No chance for Jake to get to be a Pro Bowler.

I agree Jon but, remember, fans do the voting.

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by earthsci
I agree Jon but, remember, fans do the voting.

For the starter. And I wonder how impressed most other fans across the country really are with Jake.

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
For the starter. And I wonder how impressed most other fans across the country really are with Jake.

You get your average Joe who's watching MNF last night hearing Madden talk about how the great players in the NFL like Ricky Williams, Drew Bledsoe and Jake Plummer do this and that and that's how they form their opinion. They are sheep. The media tells something, it's fact.

In the immortal words of Joe Jackson -

"They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true!"
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