Polarized Thinking Has Taken Over this Board and I'm Sick of It

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Maybe a lot of Oklahoma / UCLA fan or anti-fans here? Perhaps its just racism. Kylers black, and Rosen was white (and jewish). Maybe folks resent Rosen being replaced for those reasons. *shrug*

Nah, cheese and I are likely the most vocal yids on here and we are happy with the kyler-for-Rosen swap.

 

[football karma]

Step 1: Take a season where the team wasn't competitive in 11 of 16 games they played. Then...

Step 2: Hire a college coach with a losing record. Then....

Step 3: Ditch your top 10 QBOF from a year ago, and draft

at #1 overall ​

a 5'10" QB who played one full season of college . He did win the Heisman, and produced one of the greatest offensive seasons in college football ever.


I don't think there is much middle ground to be found in all those moves..... either you are all in on the concept, or, you think its doomed to failure. Its brilliant, or, reckless.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Step 1: Take a season where the team wasn't competitive in 11 of 16 games they played. Then...

Step 2: Hire a college coach with a losing record. Then....

Step 3: Ditch your top 10 QBOF from a year ago, and draft

at #1 overall ​

a 5'10" QB who played one full season of college . He did win the Heisman, and produced one of the greatest offensive seasons in college football ever.


I don't think there is much middle ground to be found in all those moves..... either you are all in on the concept, or, you think its doomed to failure. Its brilliant, or, reckless.

But there is one major thing that "should" give everyone some middle ground and that is that we are all Cardinals fans. In just about any other situation that fact would help keep us all together to some extent, but for whatever reason this situation has completely divided the fan base.

 

[dscher]

I love it all actually.. the banter and craziness on Sundays in here is what makes loses more bearable IMO. Lol.

 

[TruColor]

I love everyone.

 

[jefftheshark]

I love everyone.

I used to be this way too but with the current cost of penicillin I’ve had to scale way back.

JTS

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I never come here on Sundays because it's a bloodbath.

The addition of so many Sooners fans has, as is so oft the case, poisoned the well.

LOL!

 

[football karma]

But there is one major thing that "should" give everyone some middle ground and that is that we are all Cardinals fans.

true

also: nobody here (except Harry) has to make a living by being right on their football opinions

for me, thats a really good thing.

 

[overseascardfan]

I was one who did not want ARZ to draft Murray, well at least not at #1 overall. But now, he is here and I support him but Bidwill is at the point of no return in that he cannot trade two Top 10 draft pick QB's in consecutive years especially the top overall pick. His franchise's success rides or dies with Murray. I am anti-Keim though, not going to change my opinion on him, he needs to go. This is a what have you done for me league and he hasn't done squat going on 4 years now and has turned this franchise back into the laughing stock it was when it arrived in AZ. He hasn't done anything to solidify this roster particularly the OL in the time he's been GM with his terrible drafting and recent FA bust signings. I also don't think Kingsbury is an NFL HC, aside fro our train wreck OL, he is the main reason we are where we are this year with his sub par play calling. The problem is when the new GM comes in, he has to find a HC who can build an offense around Murray.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Maybe a lot of Oklahoma / UCLA fan or anti-fans here? Perhaps its just racism. Kylers black, and Rosen was white (and jewish). Maybe folks resent Rosen being replaced for those reasons. *shrug*

As Morris Buttermaker said to Ahmad in Bad News Bears: “Let’s not bring race into this, haven’t we got enough problems as it is?”

 

[Stout]

This is a very good, on-point post. I know I've been guilty of it in an "I hate to be right" kind of way. Is it weird to say that I think this board became poisoned with positivity over the offseason? I get it, though, the need to cling to anything positive after the atrocious season we had to endure last season. It just...well, I'm not going to complain about anything here, which would totally defeat the purpose of this thread. I just wanted to point out where I was coming from. I'll try to do better. Heck, I keep saying I want to give the kid a chance, and I mean it. Fingers crossed.

I agree about how awesome the people of this board are, too. I'm one of the original posters around here from before ASFN. I can only talk a bit about how awesome the crew is in person, as I have only been to a few games out in Arizona. Of course, one is where the board flew me out to the game and sent me to it cost-free. Yeah, that's right. Duckjake put me up, and the board flew me to the game and got me a ticket. If that doesn't say a lot about the people here, I don't know what does.

Go Cards!

 

[wit3card]

The problem is, that quite everyone is on fault here.

Some were hyped, some were downers some were skeptic some were believers.

Rarly you find someone that trys to stay out of it, and even then, they have often some very hard oppinions on Keim, Kingsburry, Bidwill, David Johnson ... and so on.

But many have to realize, that we are who we were last year, one of the worst teams of the NFL because of many things and not just because of Wilks & McCoy (even if they have the monster load on theire back).


We have many holes, have many problems, probably no FA wants to play for us and so on.

Who knows how this all ends, but for our fandom we need to get our ... together, we need to start to get at least on the same page and start to not overreact on everything that happens.

We need to cool a little bit, after 3 games this year we discuss about why we should have won 2 games out of 3 and not, why we never ever will win a game again and how wilks is the worst HC ever.

Don't forget last years team and put our current team in perspective. Yes we had better D but not latley, we had rarly better ST and last year we didn't even have an O.

So I get what many want to do, but we are a Franchise that had to endure many things and if we want to win a SB we maybe have to get trough something worse than most franchises, but at the end, on the long run, we will win one, and therefor we are fans. And not to kick ourselfs in the guts, fight about everything and anything and let the zebras get lose or don't call out our D and so on.

And yes I joined here in 2016 but I was on the official forum before and on others and at some point when our seasons sucked, everyone started to get in everyones face. And that has to stop some day. We are the Cardinals, we should be at least on paper the fans that are that are the calmest, since we rarley had something to win or lose but supported our team better than any other franchise. Even in the sundevil "BBQ" stadion.

 

[Russ Smith]

Step 1: Take a season where the team wasn't competitive in 11 of 16 games they played. Then...

Step 2: Hire a college coach with a losing record. Then....

Step 3: Ditch your top 10 QBOF from a year ago, and draft

at #1 overall ​

a 5'10" QB who played one full season of college . He did win the Heisman, and produced one of the greatest offensive seasons in college football ever.


I don't think there is much middle ground to be found in all those moves..... either you are all in on the concept, or, you think its doomed to failure. Its brilliant, or, reckless.

Was going to say the same thing the Cards went all in when they hired Kliff and changed QB's. I think many people just find it hard to straddle the fence when the team did something like that.

My take was I would have picked defense but my thing is if you hire a coach, you should allow that coach to pursue their vision and we did that by letting Kliff change QB's. If this works out great, if it doesn't, Kliff will have no excuse and either will Keim.

 

[cardpa]

I think the kool aid Klingsbury and Murray were feeding us in the pre season about how this super offense was kept hidden and the pre season offense was plain vanilla so wait until the regular season starts and we unveil it and it will be a juggernaut had expectations way too high. Results haven't met expectations.

 

[Ronin]

I think the kool aid Klingsbury and Murray were feeding us in the pre season about how this super offense was kept hidden and the pre season offense was plain vanilla so wait until the regular season starts and we unveil it and it will be a juggernaut had expectations way too high. Results haven't met expectations.

We have the wrong guy mixing our kool aid.

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[Krangodnzr]

I'll take my share of the blame being the captain of Team Murray.

We all love this team. I was legitimately pissed off on Sunday and then had posters come after me via PMs and on the forum as well.

I apologize to anyone I may have pissed off. Intent and meaning can be lost when typing as opposed to talking.

 

[kerouac9]

I think the kool aid Klingsbury and Murray were feeding us in the pre season about how this super offense was kept hidden and the pre season offense was plain vanilla so wait until the regular season starts and we unveil it and it will be a juggernaut had expectations way too high. Results haven't met expectations.

I don't think that Murray and Kingsbury said the bolded part. The reality is that the offense we opened with was extremely different from what we showed in the preseason — both in personnel and tempo. I just think that our personnel at the skill positions has been so bad that the element of surprise was just enough to keep us afloat as an offense.

 

[AZCrazy]

Murray will be a fine quarterback, and has already shown flashes. I can't understand what people were expecting? Greatness? We're a 3-13 team just starting a rebuild. You want signs of improvement, here it is: We've actually been IN all three of these games. Competitive. That's step one. Last year to start the year we were losing 24-6, 34-0, 45-10, and crap like that. We don't yet have the roster to compete fully, but made big strides and more will come. The team made a commitment to move this direction with the coach and QB. They'll see it through for a few years and build the team to suit. The worst thing we can do after dumping last years investments would be to set us back yet another year by dumping this year's investments after the expected rough/middling start. We'll be fine. Fans need to learn patience, you immediate gratification loving Twitter monkeys. You know who you are.

 

[TJ]

I'll take my share of the blame being the captain of Team Murray.

We all love this team. I was legitimately pissed off on Sunday and then had posters come after me via PMs and on the forum as well.

I apologize to anyone I may have pissed off. Intent and meaning can be lost when typing as opposed to talking.

Yeah, that wasn't pretty. Not blaming you or anyone else, but TBH, that exchange infuriated me and was what started my thinking. The final straw was people holding on to animosity more than 24 hours after the game, which shows that there are legitimate grudges that people can't get over. It's cool to be pissed minutes or even hours after the game, but if people are still attacking other posters after a night's sleep, it's an issue.

I hope this thread at least made people check their emotions.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I'll take my share of the blame being the captain of Team Murray.

We all love this team. I was legitimately pissed off on Sunday and then had posters come after me via PMs and on the forum as well.

I apologize to anyone I may have pissed off. Intent and meaning can be lost when typing as opposed to talking.

Wait, people were PM'ing you to give you *hit? Unbelievable.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Yeah, that wasn't pretty. Not blaming you or anyone else, but TBH, that exchange infuriated me and was what started my thinking. The final straw was people holding on to animosity more than 24 hours after the game, which shows that there are legitimate grudges that people can't get over. It's cool to be pissed minutes or even hours after the game, but if people are still attacking other posters after a night's sleep, it's an issue.

I hope this thread at least made people check their emotions.

What exchange TJ? I want to read it.

 

[TJ]

What exchange TJ? I want to read it.

That was between two other posters, not me. With all due respect, if they want to show you, I'll let them point you in that direction.

 

[phillycard]

I've been posting for over 14 years on this board. I've met some amazing people and have furbished some strong friendships. In fact, I was in Florida this weekend staying with Arizona's Finest and his family, and watched the game w/ him.

I was here for crowning the Bears. The contentious Warner/Leinart debate. Levi Brown. I was here for Kolb/Skelton. I was here for Drew Stanton needing to replace Carson Palmer. I've had some lively discussions with some on here and said some regrettable things and have been appropriately reprimanded by Mods. But I've never felt that the overall decorum of the board was suffering. I've had many drag down, knock out arguments w/ @kerouac9 and @Chopper0080 , but have grown to respect them and their input tremendously.

This Murray situation has brought out the absolute worst in board members, including me.

Everyone is divided one way or the other that it leaves zero room for grey area. You're either in love with Kyler Murray or you hate him. If you provide any constructive criticism, you're considered a hater and not a fan of the team. If you excuse his play, you're in love with him and want to have his children

I'm not going to name names, because we're a family here. But since we are a family unit, we should all, including myself, take a glimpse in the mirror and recognize how our contributions to this wonderful message board are impacting its overall quality, either positively or negatively, because it has officially gone off the rails. Never before have I considered jumping ship, but for the first time, I actually considered peacing out. I'm not going to do that because I believe we can all chill out and respect each other.

Again, I'm not saying that I'm in the clear, because I've said some things to others that I wish I could take back, but as a veteran of this board, I feel at least responsible for bringing to light the negativity and how it is being perceived by myself and other prominent veterans on this board.

All I ask is to learn to respect one another's opinion, engage in constructive debate, and recognize at the end of the day, we all want one thing and that's for this organization to be successful. We just have different beliefs of what path we should take to get there.

So do me and this board a favor and recognize your contributions to this awesome message board and if you think you're going to type out something regrettable, walk away from your computer, tablet, or phone for five minutes and assess whether it is a good choice or a bad choice.

Love you guys.

Namaste.

TJ, great post brother. I just posted my thoughts on criticizing the team and you make great, great points. We're all passionate about this team. Some of us however manifest it different. All I ask is that my team compete every week, and that the coaches put them in position to do so. As long as a player is wearing that uniform, I'm a fan of them. Bottom line. I'll criticize, but only because I want the best for the players and fans of this team, including my own self. I'm crazy about Cardinal fooball. Always have been. But I will ALWAYS respect the opinion of my Cards family. Been here too long to do anything else.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I'll take my share of the blame being the captain of Team Murray.

We all love this team. I was legitimately pissed off on Sunday and then had posters come after me via PMs and on the forum as well.

I apologize to anyone I may have pissed off. Intent and meaning can be lost when typing as opposed to talking.

Krang, did someone come after you on the board? Where was it man? In the gameday thread? I want to read it.

 

[jefftheshark]

Wait, people were PM'ing you to give you *hit? Unbelievable.

I wish people would PM me and give me *hit. A new toaster would be really nice but in a pinch gift cards are always appreciated

JTS