Poll - Cards first Rd pick?

[PACardsFan]

I have concerns about Murray's durability because of his size.I think no matter how "elusive" he is he still will get nailed.Rosen is what 6'4 220 and Murray is 5'10 207 and likes to run around.So it would be foolish to dismiss or gloss over Murray's durability when he gets to the NFL.

Concussions are very damning injuries for QB's and Rosen has had his fair share of them. In addition, Rosen has been injured more than Murray has. Durability was a huge concern for Rosen going into the draft last year. Also, you need to take a good look at Rosen. He's far more frail looking than Murray is. Even though he limped off the field a few times last year, I was surprised that he didn't incur any major injuries.

 

[BW52]

Concussions are very damning injuries for QB's and Rosen has had his fair share of them. In addition, Rosen has been injured more than Murray has. Durability was a huge concern for Rosen going into the draft last year. Also, you need to take a good look at Rosen. He's far more frail looking than Murray is. Even though he limped off the field a few times last year, I was surprised that he didn't incur any major injuries.

Rosen took some hits that would have broken Murray.Rosen came back every week.I doubt Murray would have survived what Rosen went through last season.

 

[PACardsFan]

Rosen took some hits that would have broken Murray.Rosen came back every week.I doubt Murray would have survived what Rosen went through last season.

You’re totally missing the point. Murray would have avoided many of those hits, bought additional time to find a receiver or ran 20 yards & slid before anyone was within 5 yards of him. Who cares how tough Rosen was or wasn’t. If he didn’t fumble, we were then 2nd or 3rd & 15.

 

[BW52]

You’re totally missing the point. Murray would have avoided many of those hits, bought additional time to find a receiver or ran 20 yards & slid before anyone was within 5 yards of him. Who cares how tough Rosen was or wasn’t. If he didn’t fumble, we were then 2nd or 3rd & 15.

And you continue to think Murray will escape those hits like nobody can.Sure he might have dodged some of them but you can`t say for sure because he hasn`t tried it in the big boy league yet.

 

[DVontel]

You’re totally missing the point. Murray would have avoided many of those hits, bought additional time to find a receiver or ran 20 yards & slid before anyone was within 5 yards of him. Who cares how tough Rosen was or wasn’t. If he didn’t fumble, we were then 2nd or 3rd & 15.

He wouldn’t avoided many of those hits no matter how athletic he is. A athletic QB isn’t gonna make an awful OLine look not awful.

I have watched Kyler for 7 years & he has yet to operate behind a non-good OLine. We’ll probably get the chance to see it.

 

[BW52]

He wouldn’t avoided many of those hits no matter how athletic he is. A athletic QB isn’t gonna make an awful OLine look not awful.

I have watched Kyler for 7 years & he has yet to operate behind a non-good OLine. We’ll probably get the chance to see it.

Murray had 4 Offensive linemen that likely will be drafted this year-Cody Ford RD 1-2
Dru Samia,Ben Powers,Bobby Evans and a RD 1-2 WR marquise Brown and a Mid round RB Rodney Anderson.

 

[PACardsFan]

Murray had 4 Offensive linemen that likely will be drafted this year-Cody Ford RD 1-2
Dru Samia,Ben Powers,Bobby Evans and a RD 1-2 WR marquise Brown and a Mid round RB Rodney Anderson.

They may very well be good O-Linemen, but they can also thank Murray for making them look better. It goes both ways.

 

[PACardsFan]

He wouldn’t avoided many of those hits no matter how athletic he is. A athletic QB isn’t gonna make an awful OLine look not awful.

I have watched Kyler for 7 years & he has yet to operate behind a non-good OLine. We’ll probably get the chance to see it.

I disagree. An athletic, mobile, QB with a quick release most definitely can make an O-Line look better. If he does end up with the Cardinals, he will help our O-Line be far more successful. If you've watched Murray for 7 years, and he's never played behind a bad O-Line, then maybe it's because OF HIM that they are good.

 

[DVontel]

I disagree. An athletic, mobile, QB with a quick release most definitely can make an O-Line look better. If he does end up with the Cardinals, he will help our O-Line be far more successful. If you've watched Murray for 7 years, and he's never played behind a bad O-Line, then maybe it's because OF HIM that they are good.

He’s not gonna turn an awful OLine into a good one or even competent one. That’s my point. You’re just going full on stan Mode if you think otherwise.

Nah, I followed Allen & Oklahoma football for a while. Both have good OLines no matter who the QB is. He probably made them better than good, but he didn’t elevate them from awful to good. No QB in history has & will not do that.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You’re totally missing the point. Murray would have avoided many of those hits, bought additional time to find a receiver or ran 20 yards & slid before anyone was within 5 yards of him. Who cares how tough Rosen was or wasn’t. If he didn’t fumble, we were then 2nd or 3rd & 15.

And you're totally missing who KW is about to go up against.

 

[NJCardFan]

Cards trade back with the Raiders who take Bosa. We grab Allen at #4.

 

[BW52]

Cards trade back with the Raiders who take Bosa. We grab Allen at #4.

 

[TheCardFan]

Cards trade back with the Raiders who take Bosa. We grab Allen at #4.

I like the idea.

Trading back with the Raiders and they take Bosa...keeps him out of NFC West.

I like the idea of extra picks.

But I would be disappointed if Q was gone at #4 in that scenario.

 

[DVontel]

I like the idea.

Trading back with the Raiders and they take Bosa...keeps him out of NFC West.

I like the idea of extra picks.

But I would be disappointed if Q was gone at #4 in that scenario.

This pipe dream of Raiders trading up for Bosa needs to end.

They’re not gonna use the assets they got by trading away Mack just to draft a lesser(most likely imo) version of him.

 

[NJCardFan]

I like the idea.

Trading back with the Raiders and they take Bosa...keeps him out of NFC West.

I like the idea of extra picks.

But I would be disappointed if Q was gone at #4 in that scenario.

Come to think of it, if Bosa is off the board at #1 to OakVegas, #2 is SF who might take Allen as they don't need a DT, right? That leaves the Jets who's the wild card here. If they take Williams, do we field offers for Murray or do we take Murray?

 

[Cardinal]

This pipe dream of Raiders trading up for Bosa needs to end.

They’re not gonna use the assets they got by trading away Mack just to draft a lesser(most likely imo) version of him.

Don't forget that they have an extra 1st round pick next year too. I can see them giving up the #4 and a late 1st to move up this year.

Then again, Mayock might rather gain even more picks and trade down. None of us really know anything haha

 

[DVontel]

Don't forget that they have an extra 1st round pick next year too. I can see them giving up the #4 and a late 1st to move up this year.

They would only do that for Kyler.

 

[NJCardFan]

Don't forget that they have an extra 1st round pick next year too. I can see them giving up the #4 and a late 1st to move up this year.

They also hold the 3rd pick of the 2nd round. Would we take #4, #35, and maybe another pick next year? Or would it cost them one of their late first round picks?

 

[PACardsFan]

Come to think of it, if Bosa is off the board at #1 to OakVegas, #2 is SF who might take Allen as they don't need a DT, right? That leaves the Jets who's the wild card here. If they take Williams, do we field offers for Murray or do we take Murray?

If the Cardinals could pull it off, this would be ideal. And yes, you then take Murray at 4. My concern is that the Jets trade out of 4, with someone jumping ahead of & grabbing Murray. My Cardinal contacts in AZ are telling me that it's looking like Murray at #1 to the Cardinals. Cardinals are convinced that he's the best player in the draft.

 

[GuernseyCard]

They would only do that for Kyler.

???

The team with all of 12 sacks last season could have a major interest in BOSA.

 

[GuernseyCard]

If the Cardinals could pull it off, this would be ideal. And yes, you then take Murray at 4. My concern is that the Jets trade out of 4, with someone jumping ahead of & grabbing Murray. My Cardinal contacts in AZ are telling me that it's looking like Murray at #1 to the Cardinals. Cardinals are convinced that he's the best player in the draft.

Identify them!

 

[DVontel]

???

The team with all of 12 sacks last season could have a major interest in BOSA.

You can get Allen or Burns(who I don’t think is even far off from Bosa) at 4 while filling other important needs(just like us, they have a good amount of them) with their other 1st rounds. It’s a pipe dream of them trading up to #1 for a non-QB.

 

[GuernseyCard]

This pipe dream of Raiders trading up for Bosa needs to end.

They’re not gonna use the assets they got by trading away Mack just to draft a lesser(most likely imo) version of him.

It's not a pipe dream until the Commissioner announces the first pick.

And 5 years of control over the consensus #1 pick of this draft at a position of dire need is precisely what you do with the assets acquired.

 

[PACardsFan]

Identify them!

Sure, just for you. If I did that, they wouldn't be inside contacts anymore. Anything can still happen, but someone will have to come up with a trade package that is beyond the wow factor. Keim doesn't sleep before & after Seattle games because he let Wilson go. He'll gladly risk his job to make sure he doesn't miss this time.

 

[DVontel]

It's not a pipe dream until the Commissioner announces the first pick.

And 5 years of control over the consensus #1 pick of this draft at a position of dire need is precisely what you do with the assets acquired.

It’s a pipe dream because you’re dreaming of it wanting to happen.

Did you like just skip over what I said in the other post