Porter to visit Thursday

[MoeIsBetter]

For what its worth he was schedualed to make $3.8 mill for the 2010 season and said he wasn't looking for an increase in pay. Signing him under the $3.5 limit shouldn't be an issue, especially with all the ways around it.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I see Foote signing in the $2-3M per area. Porter gets more...$5-6M somewhere in there.

Scott Fujita is 31 and got 14M over 3 years, 8 guaranteed. Foote, at 29, will be looking for something in that range. Porter will probably accept anything close to the 5M+ salary he rec'd last year, over two years.

And before anyone screams it's too much, try to keep in mind that Okeafor was making over $5M and the Cards were prepared to pay considerably more for Dansby.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Scott Fujita is 31 and got 14M over 3 years, 8 guaranteed. Foote, at 29, will be looking for something in that range. Porter will probably accept anything close to the 5M+ salary he rec'd last year, over two years.

And before anyone screams it's too much, try to keep in mind that Okeafor was making over $5M and the Cards were prepared to pay considerably more for Dansby.

Porter was schedualed to make $3.8 million in salary this year, with a million dollar roster bonus kicking in later this month, and a $200,000 work out bonus kicking in at the end of this month. But base salary (minus both bonuses is only $3.8 million).

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Porter was schedualed to make $3.8 million in salary this year, with a million dollar roster bonus kicking in later this month, and a $200,000 work out bonus kicking in at the end of this month. But base salary (minus both bonuses is only $3.8 million).

Believe me... he didn't leave that all behind with the intention of making less in his total pay packet.

Anyway... the fact that he and Whiz had dinner last week, and he's coming to town - augers well.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Believe me... he didn't leave that all behind with the intention of making less in his total pay packet.

Anyway... the fact that he and Whiz had dinner last week, and he's coming to town - augers well.

He'll make more than this in guaranteed money. He'll make more than 5 mill this year but its only his base salary that gets counted against "our rules" this year.

And Whiz said today on the radio that the reports that he already met with Porter are completely false. That they have a lot to talk about when he gets here. Playing time, the kind of mentor he will be to the younger guys, etc. Could be Whiz toying so that nobody tries to get to Porter before we do but you can never know.

 

[Duckjake]

Cute but you read my post wrong - I referred to 10% of all ILB's; not 10% of 3-4 WILL backers.

Assuming that half the teams play 3-4, the number of starting 3-4 ILB's would total 13 x 2 = 26. Add to that the 13 other guys who start at MIKE in the 4-3 and you're up to 39 - 40. Which means I believe Dansby wouldn't belong in the Top 4 of all ILB/s.

Jeff, pay attention. There are only 13 teams playing a 3-4. Not half.

The position that Hayes plays is totally different than what Dansby played. You cannot compare the two. Just like you can't compare a 4-3 ILB like Urlacher to Dansby.

But if you want to here are the numbers since Dansby came into the league in 2004.

Urlacher 16.5 sacks Dansby 25.5
Urlacher 39 pdf Dansby 25 pdf
Urlacher 11 INT Dansby 10 INT
Urlacker 4 FF Dansby 12 FF

 

[kerouac9]

Jeff, pay attention. There are only 13 teams playing a 3-4. Not half.

The position that Hayes plays is totally different than what Dansby played. You cannot compare the two. Just like you can't compare a 4-3 ILB like Urlacher to Dansby.

But if you want to here are the numbers since Dansby came into the league in 2004.

Urlacher 16.5 sacks Dansby 25.5
Urlacher 39 pdf Dansby 25 pdf
Urlacher 11 INT Dansby 10 INT
Urlacker 4 FF Dansby 12 FF

Is that really all? New England, New York Jets, Miami, Buffalo, Washington, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay, San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, Arizona, San Francisco. That's fifteen.

Of course, Buffalo and Washington are transitioning right now.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

And Whiz said today on the radio that the reports that he already met with Porter are completely false. That they have a lot to talk about when he gets here. Playing time, the kind of mentor he will be to the younger guys, etc.

These are the key points I believe that need to be addressed. Moreso than the money. Porter with a bad attitude does us absolutely no good.

 

[Duckjake]

Is that really all? New England, New York Jets, Miami, Buffalo, Washington, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay, San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, Arizona, San Francisco. That's fifteen.

Of course, Buffalo and Washington are transitioning right now.

Right Buffalo and Washington ran a 4-3 last season. So last year there were 13 and 9 of them were in the AFC.

 

[Lorenzo]

Jeff, pay attention. There are only 13 teams playing a 3-4. Not half.

The position that Hayes plays is totally different than what Dansby played. You cannot compare the two. Just like you can't compare a 4-3 ILB like Urlacher to Dansby.

But if you want to here are the numbers since Dansby came into the league in 2004.

Urlacher 16.5 sacks Dansby 25.5
Urlacher 39 pdf Dansby 25 pdf
Urlacher 11 INT Dansby 10 INT
Urlacker 4 FF Dansby 12 FF

can you compare games played. I know urlacher hasn't been on the field every year over that time.

 

[Lorenzo]

These are the key points I believe that need to be addressed. Moreso than the money. Porter with a bad attitude does us absolutely no good.

porter does have an attitude. I wonder how much of it is just a big trash talker or a team wrecker? He won a superbowl with his antics in pitt so he has some value as a teammate in some way. now with more wear and tear on the tires obviously a lot of these FA's especially the older ones.... are being stalled out because of money. the market as a whole appears to be forcing their hand to take less money to sign a deal. I'm sure there are a handfull of teams(like dallas) that would be interested in adding his pass rushing skills to the depth chart for the right price.

 

[Krangodnzr]

On the topic of what it will cost to sign Foote and Porter, honestly why does anyone care as long as it's not Dansby/Rolle money (which it won't be)?

If Porter wants 13 million for 2 years, SIGN HIS ASS! If Foote wants 13 million over 3 years, SIGN HIS ASS! We have the money to make the moves AND resign Dockett to a huge contract.

 

[Zeno]

On the topic of what it will cost to sign Foote and Porter, honestly why does anyone care as long as it's not Dansby/Rolle money (which it won't be)?

I think the only thing that will truly matter is guaranteed money & number of years. Total contract $$ is total bunk anyway. I wouldn't sign either one to anything longer than 2 or 3 years...unless its front loaded so we can release them in the final years without taking a significant cap hit.

 

[joeshmo]

His attitude may be a problem but really how much of a problem could it be considering he has multiple former coaches who know first hand his attitude looking at bringing him in for a visit (4 former coaches here in AZ and one in Buffalo).

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I know there is a lot ot talk about Porter and his mouth and the headaches he can cause, but how bad of a headache does he actually cause?

Bah.

I think it is a situation where his mouth on the field is preceived to be his mouth in real life. Porter will give a good sound bit once and a while. Talk trash, etc., etc.

But from what I hear he is a team guy. The minute he puts on a jersey, he is on board 100%.

But, with him it is pure "us vs. them attitude". I would assume it is like how Dockett is, but more advanced.

I understand the mentality. It is all about those guys, whomever they are, on the other side of the field in the different colored jerseys. Those guys ? Screw those guys, whomever they are. They can go to hell.

Hence, I think IF Porter ends up in AZ, he will feed off the Niner rivalry. Thus get kicked out of the game.

 

[JeffGollin]

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Unlike (it seems like) most other NFL teams, the Cardinals don't seem to have the MO of only bringing in guys they intend to sign and then not letting them leave town until they do.

Wade Smith was in for a cuppa and, less than a day later, signed with Houston.

Just because Foote and Porter are in the Valley doesn't guarantee we'll sign one or both of them.

 

[kerouac9]

Bah.

I think it is a situation where his mouth on the field is preceived to be his mouth in real life. Porter will give a good sound bit once and a while. Talk trash, etc., etc.

But from what I hear he is a team guy. The minute he puts on a jersey, he is on board 100%.

But, with him it is pure "us vs. them attitude". I would assume it is like how Dockett is, but more advanced.

I understand the mentality. It is all about those guys, whomever they are, on the other side of the field in the different colored jerseys. Those guys ? Screw those guys, whomever they are. They can go to hell.

Hence, I think IF Porter ends up in AZ, he will feed off the Niner rivalry. Thus get kicked out of the game.

I don't know. Remember when Porter assaulted Levi Jones at the Palms in Las Vegas?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Unlike (it seems like) most other NFL teams, the Cardinals don't seem to have the MO of only bringing in guys they intend to sign and then not letting them leave town until they do.

Wade Smith was in for a cuppa and, less than a day later, signed with Houston.

Just because Foote and Porter are in the Valley doesn't guarantee we'll sign one or both of them.

They are shopping for groceries like Parcells put it. But they do seem to bring in a lot of guys just to see what they are about. I wonder if they think they might be missing something so bring 'em all in?

Porter and Foote are pretty important ingredients. I would have to say that the Cardinals will put some strong effort into bringing these guys to the table and making a deal.

 

[TJ]

On the topic of what it will cost to sign Foote and Porter, honestly why does anyone care as long as it's not Dansby/Rolle money (which it won't be)?

If Porter wants 13 million for 2 years, SIGN HIS ASS! If Foote wants 13 million over 3 years, SIGN HIS ASS! We have the money to make the moves AND resign Dockett to a huge contract.

This

We have saved a ton of money with the retirement of Warner and the losses of Rolle and Dansby. There is no reason why we cannot throw $$$$ at these guys as long as the Bidwills don't close the vault.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't know. Remember when Porter assaulted Levi Jones at the Palms in Las Vegas?

Yep.

We need a clause in the contract stating that Porter and Dockett cannot go out in public together unless for charity.

Explosive combo those two would be.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Yep.

We need a clause in the contract stating that Porter and Dockett cannot go out in public together unless for charity.

Explosive combo those two would be.

I can honestly say that Dockett may very well be the last person on Earth I would ever want to fight.

 

[red desert]

I can honestly say that Dockett may very well be the last person on Earth I would ever want to fight.

Oh come on, Leinart scares you, admit it.

 

[earthsci]

Well, at least we have great weather for their visit!

 

[Cardiac]

On the topic of what it will cost to sign Foote and Porter, honestly why does anyone care as long as it's not Dansby/Rolle money (which it won't be)?

If Porter wants 13 million for 2 years, SIGN HIS ASS! If Foote wants 13 million over 3 years, SIGN HIS ASS! We have the money to make the moves AND resign Dockett to a huge contract.

This

We have saved a ton of money with the retirement of Warner and the losses of Rolle and Dansby. There is no reason why we cannot throw $$$$ at these guys as long as the Bidwills don't close the vault.

I understand the mentality behind this but one still has to spend money wisely. If you save $70,000 to buy a BMW and the cheapest one they have is $75,000 you don't head straight to the KIA dealer and give them $65,000 for a car.

We may have to pay a bit over market value but making it "rain" isn't the answer.

How much will it cost to sign DD if we way over pay for Foote? Far to many players consider the contracts they are given as being treated with respect.They take it as a personal attack if it isn't what they deem themselves worthy of. They say it's just business but that's not how they truly feel about it deep down inside.

 

[Oly]

Just get a deal done with Porter if for no other reason than to make 9-0 happy and shut him up.


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