Porter to visit Thursday

[Duckjake]

Well, someone has to play WILB during the early OTAs before the draft (I think there's one minicamp, right? Or is that just if teams change HCs?). And if you're depending on an early draft pick to play there, you're begging for Calvin Pace/Levi Brown.

I don't mind bringing Foote in, especially now that Fujita's off the market (I'm guessing that because the Cards didn't make a run at him they're banking on drafting an LB early). But I don't really think posters are being realistic in saying that Foote is an upgrade of Dansby at any situation. Foote could play for free and he'd be a significant downgrade over Dansby.



Yeah... and Dansby was the guy who got the INT that won the first game. I'm pretty sure he also defensed a pass that opened up the early lead on an INT, right? I don't mind using that one game to make a point. It's not Dansby's fault that Michael Adams is 5'8" and every team in the NFL knew it; it's also not Dansby's fault that two of our starting DBs went down in the Saints game.

Dansby ended up matched up on Marques Colston in that Saints game. Do you think that Larry Foote could match up on Colston?

Don't agree with that. Too many rookie first and second round selections have played very well their first year in the NFL. Jerod Mayo, Patrick Willis, Karlos Dansby, David Harris, and Nick Barnett are the 3-4 WILB guys. Most of the guys who didn't start well were later round selections.

On Dansby, he also forced a fumble that led to a Cardinal score and then not only ran a fumble in for the winning score but also blocked Rodgers throwing lane allowing Adams to make the hit that caused the fumble.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Careful. Is he a better prospect than A.J. Hawk was? Or Derrick Johnson?

To me, there's no doubt he is better prospect. He's bigger than Hawk, for one. I don't know what they list Hawk at but i met and talked to him last year at a restaraunt here in Columbus and i was shocked at how small he was. Johnson was never going to be big tackling machine. He was suppposed to be pretty good though. I think McClan is the best LB prospect i have seen in years. I've always been a big Bama fan as well and watch them all the time. I've wanted this guy on the Cards since he was a freshman.


But i did think Vernon Gholston would be a stud .

From 2008
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/ot-best-lb-in-college-122833.html

 

[JeffGollin]

It's hard to evaluate and track Dansby from his rookie year forward and draw rookie comparisons with other LB's, because when he arrived, we were playing a 4 -3 and he played SOLB. He only moved inside a few years ago when we shifted to a hybrid scheme and then a 3- 4.

Just based on eyeballs and perception over the long haul - he was better-than-average, but not the impact player that a healthy Urlacher, a Patrick Willis or an AJ Hawk are supposed to have been.

His general level of play was generally good, but he wasn't making difference-making plays game after game after game, though he obviously made enough of them to be noticed.

I'd rate Dansby in the top 20-25% of all ILB's playing today but I'd be hard-pressed to rate him as high as the Top 10%.

Before I forget, how do all of you feel about Antonio Pierce (either in place of or) if we don't get Foote?

 

[kerouac9]

Jeff, A.J. Hawk sucks. He's a two-down linebacker for the Packers, and was splitting time last year with Brandon Chillar.

 

[Shane]

To me, there's no doubt he is better prospect. He's bigger than Hawk, for one. I don't know what they list Hawk at but i met and talked to him last year at a restaraunt here in Columbus and i was shocked at how small he was. Johnson was never going to be big tackling machine. He was suppposed to be pretty good though. I think McClan is the best LB prospect i have seen in years. I've always been a big Bama fan as well and watch them all the time. I've wanted this guy on the Cards since he was a freshman.


But i did think Vernon Gholston would be a stud .

From 2008
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/ot-best-lb-in-college-122833.html

And a guy named Maurice Clarrett

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And a guy named Maurice Clarrett

that was pre-Grey Goose .

I'm pretty sure he gets out this summer. I wonder if any team will give him a look.

 

[Mulli]

that was pre-Grey Goose .

I'm pretty sure he gets out this summer. I wonder if any team will give him a look.

The Cards should feign interest so the 9ers sign him.

 

[splitsecond]

The Cards should feign interest so the 9ers sign him.

lol. I dunno, I think the niners have learned their lessons on projects since Lawrence Phillips

 

[TheHopToad]

I'm pretty sure he gets out this summer. I wonder if any team will give him a look.

The Raiders already have a jersey made for him. They heard he had the fastest 40 time in the big house...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Raiders already have a jersey made for him. They heard he had the fastest 40 time in the big house...

You're forgetting the Bengals are just down the road. It will be 40 time vs. jail time .

 

[gamebird98]

Can Porter play QB?

 

[Reddog]

Porter is a nasty dude with a ton of attitude. Other then Docket we just don't have any of that. ADub can light it up but he doesn't bring that same swagger. He is a quiet lead by my actions guy. We have had some nice players but not enough that would flat out like to kick someone's ass. Romanowski was a jerk but he brought that and thats what you want in your LBers. Porter will set the bar there and hopefully the young guys will be influenced by that.

 

[Duckjake]

It's hard to evaluate and track Dansby from his rookie year forward and draw rookie comparisons with other LB's, because when he arrived, we were playing a 4 -3 and he played SOLB. He only moved inside a few years ago when we shifted to a hybrid scheme and then a 3- 4.

Just based on eyeballs and perception over the long haul - he was better-than-average, but not the impact player that a healthy Urlacher, a Patrick Willis or an AJ Hawk are supposed to have been.

His general level of play was generally good, but he wasn't making difference-making plays game after game after game, though he obviously made enough of them to be noticed.

I'd rate Dansby in the top 20-25% of all ILB's playing today but I'd be hard-pressed to rate him as high as the Top 10%.

Before I forget, how do all of you feel about Antonio Pierce (either in place of or) if we don't get Foote?

You do know that there are only 13 guys starting as 3-4 WILBs in the NFL. So the only way to be in the top 10% is to be the best.

That would have to be Patrick Willis.

After that I say you can toss a coin between the other guys I mentioned Mayo, Dansby, Barnett,DJ Williams and Harris. Brooking and Timmons would be in the next group (note every one of these guys was a first or 2nd round draft pick) and Gooden, Maiava,Ayodele,Siler and Mays in group 3.

I don't think there is any way you can compare a 3-4 ILB to a 4-3 MLB but a lot of people sure seem to want to do that.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

You do know that there are only 13 guys starting as 3-4 WILBs in the NFL. So the only way to be in the top 10% is to be the best.

That would have to be Patrick Willis.

After that I say you can toss a coin between the other guys I mentioned Mayo, Dansby, Barnett,DJ Williams and Harris. Brooking and Timmons would be in the next group (note every one of these guys was a first or 2nd round draft pick) and Gooden, Maiava,Ayodele,Siler and Mays in group 3.

I don't think there is any way you can compare a 3-4 ILB to a 4-3 MLB but a lot of people sure seem to want to do that.

Then people shouldn't be hating of Foote cause he IS a 3-4 ILB that tried to play a 4-3

 

[kerouac9]

You do know that there are only 13 guys starting as 3-4 WILBs in the NFL. So the only way to be in the top 10% is to be the best.

That would have to be Patrick Willis.

After that I say you can toss a coin between the other guys I mentioned Mayo, Dansby, Barnett,DJ Williams and Harris. Brooking and Timmons would be in the next group (note every one of these guys was a first or 2nd round draft pick) and Gooden, Maiava,Ayodele,Siler and Mays in group 3.

I don't think there is any way you can compare a 3-4 ILB to a 4-3 MLB but a lot of people sure seem to want to do that.

I'd move Timmons into the group with Barnett and Mayo (but I'd downgrade D.J. Williams because he's old and a run stopper primarily). Timmons had 7 sacks, 4 passes defensed, and 4 forced fumbles in his first season as a full-time starter. Guy's a playmaker.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I'd move Timmons into the group with Barnett and Mayo (but I'd downgrade D.J. Williams because he's old and a run stopper primarily). Timmons had 7 sacks, 4 passes defensed, and 4 forced fumbles in his first season as a full-time starter. Guy's a playmaker.

Agreed. If you gave me a pick to either take Keith Brooking or Lawerance Timmons, its Timmons on a land slide. The guys pretty amazing...

 

[joeshmo]

I'd move Timmons into the group with Barnett and Mayo (but I'd downgrade D.J. Williams because he's old and a run stopper primarily). Timmons had 7 sacks, 4 passes defensed, and 4 forced fumbles in his first season as a full-time starter. Guy's a playmaker.

Timmons is a pure coverage LB with pass rush ability. Still without a doubt a liability against the run. Still a playmaker in some aspects but he has some glaring faults.

 

[binkar]

Schefter word for word on SportsCenter just now:

"Joey Porter and Larry Foote have a plan that they all want to play together, and they would like to do it in Arizona with Clark Haggans."

Encouraging... Now we just have to hope money works for everyone involved.

 

[Shane]

Wonder what kind of contract two older guys like that would accept? Would have to be reasonable.

 

[PoolBoy]

Schefter word for word on SportsCenter just now:

"Joey Porter and Larry Foote have a plan that they all want to play together, and they would like to do it in Arizona with Clark Haggans."

Encouraging... Now we just have to hope money works for everyone involved.

im excited!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Joe, Jureki said something yesterday that has been itching at me ever since. He said the Cards were really down on Hayes last year. Being their pretty similar of players, could Foote essentially be Hayes replacement and we could still be looking for another ILB?

 

[PoolBoy]

Joe, Jureki said something yesterday that has been itching at me ever since. He said the Cards were really down on Hayes last year. Being their pretty similar of players, could Foote essentially be Hayes replacement and we could still be looking for another ILB?

well we will probably be drafting an ILB in the first 2 rounds

 

[MoeIsBetter]

well we will probably be drafting an ILB in the first 2 rounds

I agree but it still leaves the option open get a guy like Kirk Morrison or D'Qwell Jackson. Neither of these guys are going to be paid huge money and we still have the option of signing two players to over 5.5 mill. Just saying, it could get better before its all said and done.

 

[JeffGollin]

You do know that there are only 13 guys starting as 3-4 WILBs in the NFL. So the only way to be in the top 10% is to be the best. ...

Cute but you read my post wrong - I referred to 10% of all ILB's; not 10% of 3-4 WILL backers.

Assuming that half the teams play 3-4, the number of starting 3-4 ILB's would total 13 x 2 = 26. Add to that the 13 other guys who start at MIKE in the 4-3 and you're up to 39 - 40. Which means I believe Dansby wouldn't belong in the Top 4 of all ILB/s.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Schefter word for word on SportsCenter just now:

"Joey Porter and Larry Foote have a plan that they all want to play together, and they would like to do it in Arizona with Clark Haggans."

Encouraging... Now we just have to hope money works for everyone involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzOHq5WbQ8k