Post Seahawks Post any hopes at Playoffs thread

[oaken1]

Don’t we already have this in Clayton Tune?

Tuna ain't a threat to develop into a starting QB.. Drew Allar certainly is

 

[kerouac9]

Tuna ain't a threat to develop into a starting QB.. Drew Allar certainly is

Based on what?

 

[DVontel]

Based on what?

Physical tools.

 

[Stout]

If Cam Ward falls in round 1...maybe that is different. If you want to try to develop Drew Allar as a round 3 pick...whatever. Hell, I don't care if you bring in Daniel Jones to compete with Murray. But every one of those scenarios also has Kyler on the roster in 2025.

You're telling us we have to have no hope, @Chopper0080. Kyler gives us no hope. Fans are not going to want to buy into another lost season with zero hope. I'm not going to agree with you that he should be here in 2025. I'm sure he will be but I don't want him to be.

 

[Stout]

Considering the talent level at the start of the rebuild, I kind of think it actually is.

I don't. He tore it down and pitifully neglected refilling the talent on this team. That's willful negligence and I won't give him major kudos for teeny weeny improvements.

 

[DVontel]

. I need a roster that can compete for success.

I’ll double down on this. I need a roster that can be a Super Bowl contender, not just a playoff contender.

 

[Chopper0080]

If it were me I'd grab Allar...but I'd trade back into the 2nd...already see mocks with him going well before our round 3.
I think the kid has something.
But also, he is everything Kyler isnt..dude is a prototype. If having that guy as your backup doesn't light a fire under kylers ass nothing will.
Give Allar the Green Bay treatment and make him watch and learn...at least for 25...then reevaluate.
With petzings offense I would guess that 6'5. 240 is more his flavor QB

I don’t think I would spend more than a 3rd on him.

 

[Chopper0080]

You're telling us we have to have no hope, @Chopper0080. Kyler gives us no hope. Fans are not going to want to buy into another lost season with zero hope. I'm not going to agree with you that he should be here in 2025. I'm sure he will be but I don't want him to be.

If hope is getting to the playoffs, Kyler offers that. If he is a 7-9 win QB, that is fine until something better comes along OR his contract needs to be addressed. Until that time, he can be our Dalton, Cousins, or Alex Smith.

 

[Chopper0080]

I’ll double down on this. I need a roster that can be a Super Bowl contender, not just a playoff contender.

And drafting a QB high next year does not help this IMO. Draft multiple defensive front guys. Try to upgrade at OG. Try to add some speed at WR. After 2025, if things pan out and there is a QB you like, then trade up aggressively to get him.

 

[Chopper0080]

Physical tools.

Would you take him in the 2nd? I have a tough time with that idea.

 

[DVontel]

Would you take him in the 2nd? I have a tough time with that idea.

I think I would, but I’m also willing to bet his stock will skyrocket in the top 1st, to where he’ll go ahead of either Ward/Sanders.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think I would, but I’m also willing to bet his stock will skyrocket in the top 1st, to where he’ll go ahead of either Ward/Sanders.

So you think he’s going to go first overall in the draft?

 

[DVontel]

So you think he’s going to go first overall in the draft?

If he declares. He’s much more tools-y than Ward & Sanders.

 

[kerouac9]

Physical tools.

Better tools than Tune?

 

[DVontel]

Better tools than Tune?

Yea.

 

[Stout]

If hope is getting to the playoffs, Kyler offers that. If he is a 7-9 win QB, that is fine until something better comes along OR his contract needs to be addressed. Until that time, he can be our Dalton, Cousins, or Alex Smith.

I don't want another year where 7-9 wins is the ceiling and OMG maybe, if the planets align and everything is perfect, we sneak into the playoffs to get crushed in the wild card round. I want at least the chance at doing better, or starting to do better. Anything else is just another wasted year for me.

 

[Stout]

If he declares. He’s much more tools-y than Ward & Sanders.

I didn't think you liked Allar all that much.

 

[DVontel]

I didn't think you liked Allar all that much.

Not saying I like him, but I’m also trying to view him from the scouts’ perspective. Strong arm, mobile, etc. Look at his body frame, it’s similar to Josh Allen. GMs & scouts will thirst all over that.

 

[kerouac9]

Not saying I like him, but I’m also trying to view him from the scouts’ perspective. Strong arm, mobile, etc. Look at his body frame, it’s similar to Josh Allen. GMs & scouts will thirst all over that.

I know that Penn State has a great reputation for coming through in big games.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I’ll double down on this. I need a roster that can be a Super Bowl contender, not just a playoff contender.

Lofty goals is what you told me when I said I wanted a QB that can win a Superbowl.

 

[DVontel]

Lofty goals is what you told me when I said I wanted a QB that can win a Superbowl.

Have no clue what this has to do with my post you quoted.

 

[BirdGangThing]

we should do everything we can to showcase kylers strengths the rest of the year - don't try to win the game lol and screw running the ball - matter fact it would be better if we lose while kyler shines

 

[WisconsinCard]

Have no clue what this has to do with my post you quoted.

Sounds about right.

 

[DVontel]

Sounds about right.

This would be my rebuttal if what I said didn’t make sense, too.

 

[Stout]

Not saying I like him, but I’m also trying to view him from the scouts’ perspective. Strong arm, mobile, etc. Look at his body frame, it’s similar to Josh Allen. GMs & scouts will thirst all over that.

That's a very cool analytical approach to the question. Good stuff.

I thirst over all that too, and as a Penn State guy would looove to have an alum lead the team to the promised land. I have my doubts about the kid but would definitely draft him non-first-round-ish.