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OK, here's my shot at this:

1 SF QB Aaron Rodgers
2 Mia RB Ronnie Brown
3 Cle QB Alex Smith
4 Chi WR Braylon Edwards
5 TB RB Cedric Benson
6 Ten CB Antrel Rolle
7 Min WR Mike Williams
8 AZ CB Pac-Man Jones


As for Arizona's rest of the 1st day I'm gonna bring up a scenario that I'm not sure alot of people have looked at. After we pick, there are no real teams with a great need at RB look at the rest of the picks and who they allready have:

9 Wash Clinton Portis
10 Det Kevin Jones
11 Dal Julius Jones
12 SD Ladainian Thomlinson
13 Hou Domanick Davis
14 Car Deshaun Foster/Stephen Davis
15 KC Priest Holmes
16 Cin Rudi Johnson
18 Min Mewelde Moore/Ontario Smith/Michael Bennett
19 StL Steven Jackson
20 Buf Willis McGahee
21 Jac Fred Taylor - Due to age may be first team that would look at RB

So assume for a second that Jacksonville is the first team looking for QB, could we pull off this trade w/Buffalo:?

We get Buffalos #1 pick, in return we give Buffalo our 2nd round pick #44 overall, LJ Shelton (filling thier biggest need of an OT), and a conditional FIRST DAY pick in next years draft (from 3rd round to 2nd round) based on performances of all players involved (Shelton, our pick with thier 1st rounder and thier pick with our 2nd rounder)? I think this would be a doable deal Trade value chart shows the #20 pick valued at 900 points, our 2nd rounder #44 is 470 points, LJ Shelton should be concidered at worse a high 3rd rounder or around 230 points leaving a difference of 200 points or about halfway between 3rd & 2nd round in next years draft. If we can pull off this trade (and assuming the Cadillac Williams drops to #20 before we pull the trigger) then rest of our draft is:

#20 RB Cadillac Williams
#75 CB/PR Antonio Perkins
#95 G Chris Kemoeatu

So we got a #1 corner in Jones, our #1 Back in Williams, Depth/possible replacement for Bridges in Kemoeatu, and depth/Punt Returned in Antonio Perkins.
 

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1. Carlos Rogers

2. Antaaj Hawthorne

3A. Arrington (If he falls here this is a no-brainer)

3B. Munoz
 

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Excellent idea Jason, but I don't think Cadillac will fall past TB. Maybe we have a shot at Benson then but I think a team may pick him up on potential alone, a team like Carolina may also want one of the big three for insurance and in the future when Davis retires.
 

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JasonKGME said:
So assume for a second that Jacksonville is the first team looking for QB, could we pull off this trade w/Buffalo:?

We get Buffalos #1 pick, in return we give Buffalo our 2nd round pick #44 overall, LJ Shelton (filling thier biggest need of an OT), and a conditional FIRST DAY pick in next years draft (from 3rd round to 2nd round) based on performances of all players involved (Shelton, our pick with thier 1st rounder and thier pick with our 2nd rounder)? I think this would be a doable deal Trade value chart shows the #20 pick valued at 900 points, our 2nd rounder #44 is 470 points, LJ Shelton should be concidered at worse a high 3rd rounder or around 230 points leaving a difference of 200 points or about halfway between 3rd & 2nd round in next years draft. If we can pull off this trade (and assuming the Cadillac Williams drops to #20 before we pull the trigger) then rest of our draft is:

#20 RB Cadillac Williams
#75 CB/PR Antonio Perkins
#95 G Chris Kemoeatu

So we got a #1 corner in Jones, our #1 Back in Williams, Depth/possible replacement for Bridges in Kemoeatu, and depth/Punt Returned in Antonio Perkins.

I think Buffalo traded away this years first round pick last season to get Losman so they don't pick until round 2.
 

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Cards mock '05

Cardinals Picks (assuming the Henry/Shelton trade goes down)

R1) Derrick Johnson, LB Texas
R2) Corey Webster, CB Louisiana State
R3) Evan Mathis, OT Alabama
R3) Adrian McPhereson, QB Florida State/AFL
R4) Matt Jones, QB/TE/WR Arkansas
R5) Ronald Bartell, CB Howard
R7) Ray Hudson, RB Alabama
 

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Zeno said:
I think Buffalo traded away this years first round pick last season to get Losman so they don't pick until round 2.


Crap, your right, Dallas has the #20 pick now.... crap, now I gotta go re-work my entire 1st round mock I was putting together!
 

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Here's the full first round from a Packer site I frequent as the token Card fan. Benson went at 13, Williams at 18. I picked for the Cards:

1. San Fran: Alex Smith, QB - Ut
2. Miami: Ronnie Brown, RB - Aub
3. Clev: Aaron Rodgers, QB - Cal
4. Chicago: Mike Williams, WR - USC
5. Tampa: Braylon Edwards, WR - Mich
6. Tenn: Carlos Rogers, CB - Aub
7r. MN: Derrick Johnson, LB - Tex
8. Arizona: Antrel Rolle, CB - Mia
9. Wash: Adam Jones, CB - WV
10. Det: Alex Barron, OT - FSU
11. Dal: Marcus Spears, DE - LSU
12g. SD: Mark Clayton, WR - Ok
13. Hou: Cedric Benson, RB - Tex
14. Car: Jammal Brown, OT - Ok
15. KC: Erasmus James, DE - Wis
16. NO: Shawne Merriman, OLB - Mary
17. Cin: Travis Johnson, DT - FSU
18. MN: Carnell Williams, RB - Aub
19. Stl: Matt Roth, DE - Ia
20b. Dal: Thomas Davis, S/LB - Ga
21. Jack: David Pollack, DE - Ga
22. Bal: Troy Williamson, WR - S Car
23. Sea: Barrett Ruud, ILB - Neb
24. GB: Anttaj Hawthorne, DT - Wis
25. Den: Ernest Shazor, S - Mich
26. NYJ: Heath Miller, TE - Vir
27. Atl: Reggie Brown, WR - Ga
28. SD: Shaun Cody, DT - USC
29. Ind: Marlin Jackson, CB - Mich
30. Pit: Demarcus Ware, DE/LB - Troy St
31. Phi: Channing Crowder, LB - Fla
32. NE: Darryl Blackstock, LB - Vir

r - from Oakland
g - from Giants
b - from Buffalo
 
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1. San Diego (from SF for QB Philip Rivers): WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan.

2. Miami: LB Derrick Johnson, Texas.

3. Cleveland: QB Aaron Rogers, California.

4. Chicago: WR Mike Williams, USC.

5. Tampa Bay: RB Carnell Williams, Auburn.

6. Tennessee: CB Antrel Rolle, Miami.

7. Minnesota: OLB Shawne Merriman, Maryland.

Cardinal Picks (Update 3/28/05)

1. QB Alex Smith, Utah.

2. CB Eric Green, Virginia Tech.

3A. G Chris Kemoeatu, Utah.

3B. RB Darren Sproles, Kansas St.

4. FS Vincent Fuller, Virginia Tech.

5. TE Alex Holmes, USC.

7. T Daniel Loper, Texas Tech
 

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Walter Mitchell said:
1. San Diego (from SF for QB Philip Rivers): WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan.

2. Miami: LB Derrick Johnson, Texas.

3. Cleveland: QB Aaron Rogers, California.

4. Chicago: WR Mike Williams, USC.

5. Tampa Bay: RB Carnell Williams, Auburn.

6. Tennessee: CB Antrel Rolle, Miami.

7. Minnesota: OLB Shawne Merriman, Maryland.

Cardinal Picks (Update 3/28/05)

1. QB Alex Smith, Utah.

2. CB Eric Green, Virginia Tech.

3A. G Chris Kemoeatu, Utah.

3B. RB Darren Sproles, Kansas St.

4. FS Vincent Fuller, Virginia Tech.

5. TE Alex Holmes, USC.

7. T Daniel Loper, Texas Tech

What would you think if it was Rogers who fell because of the trade and not Smith?

I also hear good things about McFaddan - CB, good speed and leaping ability.
Haven't heard much about Green?

I still think the 1st pick comes down to DJ, Benson, or one of the remaining CB's - prob. Jones or Rogers.
 

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I'll be honest....and I say this with the most respect....but those are some of the worst mock drafts I have ever seen. Although I will give you all some DAP because you predicted trades. But honestly....I want my life back.

With that said.....

1. Rolle
2. Arrington
3a. Walter
3b. Ryan Moates
4. Some random Florida State player who has been passed over because he had a bad workout, and then will go on to dominate the NFC West.....for the third straight season


Although I trust DG will make smarter picks then the ones I have just laid out........
 

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Here's my wish list as of this morning:

1. We retain Shelton AND Clemment; Shelton starts at RG; Clemment is kept for depth. We DO NOT trade for Henry.

2. The draft goes like this:

1. Antrell Rolle, CB
2. DT, Luis Castillo, DT
3A. RB, Kayjay Harris, RB
3B. OG, Chris Kemoeatu, OG
4. Travis Daniels, CB
5. Junior Rosegreen, CB
7. Billy Bajema, TE

Harris ends up being the "boldin pick" this year and lights it up. The oline is solid with Big, Kemo, Step, Shelton, Ross. Edwards starts at TE, but the position becomes one of need for 2006.

The pass defense is improved because Rolle steps in and is a #1 CB from the start. He and Macklin make a good tandem. Jr. Rosegreen develops into a good nickleback. Castillo pushes Davis for the starting spot, but only plays in rotation; shows good promise and starts in 2006.
 

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WildBB said:
But honestly....I want my life back.

Your excused. :shrug:
:BIM: "You're"

Please use complete answers for full credit. What don't you like and why?
 

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TheSnake4Life said:
I'll be honest....and I say this with the most respect....but those are some of the worst mock drafts I have ever seen. Although I will give you all some DAP because you predicted trades. But honestly....I want my life back.


I was quoting Snake. I said he could be excused. :wave:
 

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I know I don't post here much, and I'm kinda late on the thread, but here's my Cards mock. I did it as if the Henry trade was to go through.

#8 - Derrick Johnson OLB Texas - In my opinion here's the best player in the draft. We don't have a huge need @ OLB (or any need for that matter), but LB's like this don't come along too often. Dansby, Gerald Hayes, and Derrick Johnson would be the heart of our "D" for years to come.

#44 - Alex Smith TE Stanford - This is a need pick, but wouldn't be a reach in any way. Add a young talented TE to an emerging receiving corp and Warner won't have any excuses not to have a great season.

#75 - Ronald Bartell CB Howard - In my opinion CB is our biggest need, and here's a nice corner with a good upside. He's the best corner on the board and again not a reach.

#95 - Andrew Walter QB Arizona State - The 2nd coming of Jake!! Nah not really. A more traditional drop back passer with a big arm. Pre season mocks had this guy rated as a top ten pick, but due to injuries he's dropped off many peoples radar. If healthy and given time to mature could be a franchise QB in my opinion.

#111 - Chris Kemoeatau OG Utah / Richie Incognito OG Nebraska - Either of these guys would give us some needed depth on the o-line. Who wouldn't wanna see a guy with the last name Incognito on their favorite team. Jersey sales will be bangin'.

#168 - Darren Sproles RB Kansas State - This might seem like a stretch that he would be available here, but alot of mocks actually have him being taken further down then this. In my opinion this guy is a Dante Hall clone. Not the kind of guy you want going over the middle when you're playin' the Broncos (LOL), but he's dynamite when he gets the ball in his hands. Would primarily be used as a kick returner and should make that aspect of the game a must watch.

#226 - Chris McKenzie CB Arizona State - This guy ran a sub 4.4 @ the combine and was right near the top of the list in nearly all the drills. Could be a sleaper in my opinion Has all the physical tools to be an NFL corner.

Thanks. Go Cards!
 

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Here our my thoughts:

1. Niners-Aaron Rodgers QB (California)
2. Dolphins-Ronnie Brown RB (Auburn)
3. Browns-Alex Smith QB (Utah)
4. Bears-Cedric Benson RB (Texas)
5. Bucs-Mike Williams WR (USC)
6. Titans-Braylon Edwards WR (Michigan)
7. Vikings-Carnell Williams RB (Auburn)

All the backs are gone so DG trades Shelton and our second to the Bills for Travis Henry, their second, and their sixth round pick.

Round 1-Antrell Rolle CB (Miami)
Travis Henry RB (Buffalo Bills)
Round 2-Luis Castillo DT (Northwestern)
Round 3(a)-Corey Webster CB (LSU)
Round 3(b)-Adrain McPherson QB (Florida State)
Round 4-Chris Kemoeatu OG (Utah)
Round 5-Jerome Collins TE (Notre Dame)
Round 6-Chad Owens WR/RS (Hawaii) pick acquired in Shelton/Henry trade
Round 7-Robert Rodriguez OLB (Texas El-Paso)
 

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Here's my latest...

Pariah’s First-Round Mock Draft
April 11, 2005



  1. San Francisco 49ers - Aaron Rodgers QB California
  2. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
  3. Cleveland Browns - Alex Smith QB Utah
  4. Chicago Bears – Mike Williams WR USC
  5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
  6. Tennessee Titans- Antrel Rolle CB Miami
  7. Minnesota Vikings (From Oak) – Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
  8. Arizona Cardinals – Cedric Benson RB Texas
  9. Washington Redskins – Adam “Pacman” Jones CB West Virginia
  10. Detroit Lions- Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
  11. Dallas Cowboys- David Pollack DE Georgia
  12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG) – Shawne Merriman LB/DE Maryland
  13. Houston Texans- David Pollack DE Georgia
  14. Carolina Panthers- Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
  15. Kansas City Chiefs- Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
  16. New Orleans Saints- Alex Barron OT Florida State
  17. Cincinnati Bengals- Marcus Spears DE LSU
  18. Minnesota Vikings- Thomas Davis S Georgia
  19. St. Louis Rams- Jamaal Brown OT Oklahoma
  20. Dallas Cowboys( from Buf)- Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
  21. Jacksonville Jaguars- Justin Miller CB Clemson
  22. Baltimore Ravens- Travis Johnson DT Florida State
  23. Seattle Seahawks- Channing Crowder ILB Florida
  24. Green Bay Packers- Kalif Barnes OT Washington
  25. Denver Broncos- Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
  26. New York Jets- Heath Miller TE Virginia
  27. Atlanta Falcons- Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin
  28. San Diego Chargers- Reggie Brown WR Oklahoma
  29. Indianapolis Colts- Shaun Cody DT USC
  30. Pittsburgh Steelers- DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy
  31. Philadelphia Eagles- Matt Jones WR/TE/QB Arkansas
  32. New England Patriots- Brodney Pool S Oklahoma
Arizona’s 7-Round Mock Draft
(no Shelton for Henry trade)


1. Cedric Benson, RB Texas
2. Bryant McFadden, CB Florida State
3. Corey Webster, CB LSU
3b. Dan Beunning, OG Wisconsin
4. Kayjay Harris, RB West Virginia
5. Kevin Everett, TE Miami
6. –
7. Marcus Jasmin, DT Texas A&M


EDIT: DANG! I have David Pollack on there twice. I'll work on it tonight.:hulk:
 
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Okay. It's fixed. You can all take a deep sigh of relief.

Pariah’s First-Round Mock Draft
April 11, 2005

1. San Francisco 49ers - Aaron Rodgers QB California
2. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
3. Cleveland Browns - Alex Smith QB Utah
4. Chicago Bears – Mike Williams WR USC
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
6. Tennessee Titans- Antrel Rolle CB Miami
7. Minnesota Vikings (From Oak) – Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
8. Arizona Cardinals – Cedric Benson RB Texas
9. Washington Redskins – Adam “Pacman” Jones CB West Virginia
10. Detroit Lions- Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
11. Dallas Cowboys- David Pollack DE Georgia
12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG) – Shawne Merriman LB/DE Maryland
13. Houston Texans- Marcus Spears DE LSU
14. Carolina Panthers- Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
15. Kansas City Chiefs- Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
16. New Orleans Saints- Alex Barron OT Florida State
17. Cincinnati Bengals- Travis Johnson DT Florida State
18. Minnesota Vikings- Thomas Davis S Georgia
19. St. Louis Rams- Jamaal Brown OT Oklahoma
20. Dallas Cowboys( from Buf)- Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
21. Jacksonville Jaguars- Justin Miller CB Clemson
22. Baltimore Ravens- Anttaj Hawthorn DT Wisconson
23. Seattle Seahawks- Channing Crowder ILB Florida
24. Green Bay Packers- Kalif Barnes OT Washington
25. Denver Broncos- Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
26. New York Jets- Heath Miller TE Virginia
27. Atlanta Falcons- Shaun Cody DT USC
28. San Diego Chargers- Reggie Brown WR Oklahoma
29. Indianapolis Colts- DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy
30. Pittsburgh Steelers- Elton Brown OG Virginia
31. Philadelphia Eagles- Matt Jones WR/TE Arkansas
32. New England Patriots- Brodney Pool S Oklahoma

Arizona’s 7-Round Mock Draft
1. Cedric Benson, RB Texas
2. Bryant McFadden, CB Florida State
3. Corey Webster, CB LSU
3b. Dan Beunning, OG Wisconsin
4. Kayjay Harris, RB West Virginia
5. Kevin Everett, TE Miami
6. –
7. Marcus Jasmin, DT Texas A&M
 

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My updated Mock Draft 4/17/05:

1 RODGERS, AARON QB
2 BROWN, RONNIE RB
3 SMITH, ALEX QB
4 EDWARDS, BRAYLON WR
5 BENSON, CEDRIC RB
6 ROLLE, ANTREL CB
7 WILLIAMS, MIKE WR
8 WILLIAMS, CADILLAC RB
9 JONES, PAC-MAN CB
10 MERRIMAN, SHAWNE DE
11 JAMES, ERASMUS DE
12 WILLIAMSON, TROY WR
13 JOHNSON, DERRICK LB
14 JOHNSON, TRAVIS DT
15 ROGERS, CARLOS CB
16 MILLER, JUSTIN CB
17 SPEARS, MARCUS DE
18 BLACKSTOCK, DARRYL LB
19 BARRON, ALEX OT
20 POOL, BRODNEY S
21 BROWN, JAMMAL OT
22 CLAYTON, MARK WR
23 POLLACK, DAVID DE
24 ROTH, MATT DE
25 WASHINGTON, FABIAN CB
26 MILLER, HEATH TE
27 DAVIS, THOMAS S
28 WARE, DEMARCUS DE
29 CODY, SHAUN DT
30 JONES, MATT WR
31 CODY, DAN DE
32 CROWDER, CHANNING LB

Cards 7 round picks:
1. RB Carnell Williams
2. CB Marlin Jason
3a. CB Antonio Perkins
3b. G Chris Komoeatu
4. DT Atiyyah Ellison
5. DE Eric Moore
7. LB Kenneth Pettway
 

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Beyond belief all seven teams picked for need which leaves Derrick Johnson on the board. DG quickly uses the cell speed-dial and informs Buffalo the deal is on. Shelton to Buffalo, Henry to Arizona, and swap 44 and 55.

RD 1 #8 Derrick Johnson olb (No to remaining auburn RB and no to PacMan)

Xmas is here. A speedy and strong DT is still on the board because of steroid use.

RD 2 #55 Luis Castillo DT. F = 1/2 mv2nd power. DG is now trying to think of any LB + DL corp that has a larger v to the second power.

The BPA curve is beginning to look like the need curve.

Rd 3 #75 Dominique Foxworth cb. A run on Cbs leaves Dominigue BPA at CB.
RD 3 #95 Stanford Routt cb. May be able to go both ways. Upside on athleticism.

Second Day and the stretching begins.

RD 4 #111 Tab Perry wr. Probably reaching but DG gets a KR and a project at WR.

RD 5 #168 Tyjuan Hagler olb (projected safety due to height). A DG style player. Very fast, very quick, and very strong (strongest olb in draft). Would have taken in 6th rd but cards don't have one. Hagler stock has elevated to where this is not out of reach, especially if you also need a future safety. Griffith ain't gettin' younger. Hagler is guaranteed ST performer.

RD 7 #226 Daven Holly cb/wr. Two Cincinnatti players go to the same team in the same draft. DG is amazed that the speedy Daven fell this far and feels he has a gunner for ST. Possible two way performer.

DG feels the TE situation can be answered next draft or through FA if necessary. DG is pleased with reports on Bobby Blizzard. Since Curt is satisfied with Hodgins; he is satisifed with Hodgins (at least for this year). He knows this draft is not as good as last year, but he realizes not many first round projections fell to second and third round like last year. He's going to save as much cap space in order to extend Quan's contract and possibly Warner's, Henry's, and /or Big's.
 
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First Round Mock

1. SF: QB Alex Smith, Utah.

2. MIN (trade with Miami for Minnesota's #7 and #49 picks): WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan.

3. CLE: OLB/DE Shawne Merriman, Maryland.

4. CHI: WR Mike Williams, USC.

5. TB: QB Aaron Rodgers, California.

6. TEN: CB Antrel Rolle, Miami.

7. MIA: RB Ron Brown, Auburn.

8. HOU (trade with Arizona for Houston's #13, #47 and 6th round picks, Houston gets #8 and LT L.J. Shelton): DE/OLB DeMarcus Ware, Troy St.

9. WAS: WR Troy Williamson, South Carolina.

10. DET: OLB Derrick Johnson, Texas.

11. DAL: DT Travis Johnson, Florida St.

12. SD: S Thomas Jones, Georgia.

13. ARZ: RB Cedric Benson, Texas.

44. ARZ: CB Fabian Washington, Nebraska.

47. ARZ: DT Luis Castillo, Northwestern.

75. ARZ: G Elton Brown, Virginia.

95. ARZ: CB Antonio Perkins, Oklahoma.

111. ARZ: WR Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue.

168. ARZ: LB Lofa Tatupu, USC.

189. ARZ: TE Bo Scaife, Texas.

226. ARZ: FS Mitch Meeuwsen, Oregon St.
 

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8. HOU (trade with Arizona for Houston's #13, #47 and 6th round picks, Houston gets #8 and LT L.J. Shelton)
Walter - Coming off the heels of a near-trade where, for Shelton we'd get a starting RB and only had to swap a #44 for their #55, you now have us

- Getting no RB for Shelton

- Swapping our #8 for Houston's #13 and extra 2nd round and 6th round picks.

Using your own scenario, it would appear that at #8, C Williams, Benson, PacMan, Rogers, Ware and D Johnson are still available and that we'd get one of them at #13.

Whether or not this would be a good trade depends on (a) who actually gets drafted in the first 7, (b) who remains on Dennis Green's board at #8 and (c) whether Dennis feels the second-echelon RB's and CB's available at #44 - #47 (i.e. like J Miller, M Jackson Arrington, F Washington) would still be there and be good enough selections should Benson, C Williams, PacMan and Rogers be off the board at #13.

Note - Regarding your first 7 picks assumption. I don't think Merriman will shoot up to #3 in the draft (even Minnesota at #7 is a reach. #3 is nearly off the charts). I love Ware and actually rate him that high. But both he and Merriman are guys moved up the charts primarily due to their Senior Bowl and Combine performances. To place that much weight on post season results - enough to move either one into #3 territory - is pretty scary. (Look what happened to Leeland McElroy. I remember the tongues hanging out after his cone drill - and it turned out he was a risk high in the second round; not at #3).
 

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I still believe Travis might be a cardinal on draft day. We droped two LB's a couple of weeks ago. Need to fill with BPA LB,CB, OG and depth to special teams.

1st pick if available Derric Johnson if not Benson.
2nd CB Washington or Webster if still on board
3rd dt Luis Castillo
3-b G- Chris Kameoto
4th QB McPherson

After the first 5 picks IMO it will be a Safety , RB, TE, depending on what the board says those positions will be looked at.

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