Predicting the final 53 man roster

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Julian Peterson was not moved inside when the 49ers played the 3-4 and he's lighter than Dansby (6-3, 235). Steelers LBs Carl Haggans and James Harrison are only three pounds heavier.

And Peterson was not the same LB in the 49ers 3-4. He was very ineffective and he and Peterson have similar styles.

And the difference between the Pitt OLB's and Dansby is that the Pitt OLB are a lot more stout and play heavier then Dansby. And why could Dansby blitz or not use his blitzing skills from the inside, Vrabel, Foote, Farrior all blitzed effectively from the inside.
 

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I believe on game day teams are now allowed to have two more players active.

2 more active players but you still cant have 55 players total. The 2 more active come from the 53 man roster not a new 55 man roster.
 

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Yeah, I think Dansby stays on the outside, too.

I hope the coaches don't get too caught up about what the "right size" is for these positions (I don't really think they will). Dansy is a good FOOTBALL player, and that will go a long way in making adjustments to different schemes.

They arent getting caught up with size they are getting caught up with what works and what doesnt work in the 3-4. And Dansby tall rangy build is not even close to being stout enough to play the outside in a 3-4. His best spot is the inside where the front 3 and the more stout OLB's take on blockers for him so he can run freely to make tackles sideline to sideline. Its the reason why ILB have more tackles then the OLB's. Its the OLB's job to take on more blockers then the ILB's. And Having Dansby take on more blockers on the outside would be a complete waste of his talents.
 

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And why could Dansby blitz or not use his blitzing skills from the inside, Vrabel, Foote, Farrior all blitzed effectively from the inside.
Aren't all of those guys a lot bigger/stouter than Dansby, too?
 

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Aren't all of those guys a lot bigger/stouter than Dansby, too?

The weak inside linebacker position. Played by many great linebackers.

To off the top of my head are Ray Lewis and Carl Banks

Carl Banks
6'4" 235lbs

Ray Lewis
6'1" 250lbs

Karlos Dansby
6'4" 240lbs

He will be a great fit for the position.

The 3-4 has the NT taking up at least 2 guys, the DE's taking at least guy. Leaving the TE, FB, and one of the tackles to deal with the 2 OLB and the Strong side inside linebacker Gerald Hayes.

This leaves Karlos Dansby to run free and destory anything that moves. Furthermore, Dansby's speed, and coverage skills makes him a nice fit for the position.

I would let B.Berry, C.Okeafor, C.Pace, and D.Blackstock play the OLB positions.
 

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Offense:

QB-Leinart,Warner,Boyd (3)
RB-James, Shipp, Arrington(3)
FB-Smith,Femi (2)
WR-Fitz, Boldin, Johnson,McCoy, Morey, Breaston (6)
TE-Pope, Patrick,Bieneman(3)
OT-Brown,L., Gandy, Ross,Gorin(4)
OG-Lutui, Brown,M.,Wells (3)
C-Johnson, Leckey (2)
PK-Rackers(1)
total: 28

Bubble guys on offense: Bronson,Schable,Mitchell,Watkins, Spurlock, E.Brown

Defense:
DE-Dockett,, Smith, M.Brown, R.Kolodej (4)
DT-Branch,Watson,Clancy(3)
OLB: Blackstock, Berry, Okeafor,Pace (4)
MLB-Hayes, Biesel, Dansby, Davis (4)
CB-Rolle,Green,Hood,Brown,R.,Hunter (5)
SS:Wilson, Milligan(2)
FS:Holt,Francisco(2)
P-Player(1)
LS-Hodel(1)
total-25

bubble guys:Lewis,Cooper, Bailey,Tafoya,Bain

This is what my 53 players would look like.

But I think there will be some BIG surprises in who gets cut.
 

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I see Chike Okeafor really excelling at the OLB position .. he is built for that spot .. a little small for an every down DE that is in the down position .. having him stand and with his strength I think he will excel in the 3-4 ...
 

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Ask your self thess questions.

Would you rather have Dansby play 3-4 OLB and take on far more blockers then he ever has in the 4-3, or take on even fewer blockers playing 3-4 ILB then he ever has in the 4-3? Ask yourself which spot better utilizes his skills set of being able to roam around freely compared to taking on blockers which is probably the worst part of his game?

Dansby as a 3-4 OLB would get 50 tackles and 8 sacks. Dansby as a 3-4 ILB would get 100 Tackles and 8 sacks.

There is a reason why Dansby was the starting ILB in mini camp and it isnt becuase okeafer or Berry pushed him out of a OLB spot.
 

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The 3-4 has the NT taking up at least 2 guys, the DE's taking at least guy. Leaving the TE, FB, and one of the tackles to deal with the 2 OLB and the Strong side inside linebacker Gerald Hayes.

This leaves Karlos Dansby to run free and destory anything that moves. Furthermore, Dansby's speed, and coverage skills makes him a nice fit for the position.

And BINGO was his name-o
 

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The weak inside linebacker position. Played by many great linebackers.

To off the top of my head are Ray Lewis and Carl Banks

Carl Banks
6'4" 235lbs

Ray Lewis
6'1" 250lbs

Karlos Dansby
6'4" 240lbs

He will be a great fit for the position.
Ray Lewis is 3 inches shorter and 10 pounds heavier. That's a big difference.

And Carl Banks was in his prime 20 years ago. Players have gotten a lot bigger now.
 

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Any specific reason why Brandon Johnson's gone from the LB lists? Also, is there any recent word on Darling--are they still working to sign him, or given up?
 
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Ray Lewis is 3 inches shorter and 10 pounds heavier. That's a big difference.

And Carl Banks was in his prime 20 years ago. Players have gotten a lot bigger now.


OK.

Once again I will say that the WILB really doesn't get blocked all that much by OLinemen. The point is to let them run all over the field like a madman. The player must have speed, tackling ability, blitzing ability, and coverage ability. I think Dansby is the only player that can do all of those things well on this team.

This is who played the position last year.

Donnie Edwards 6'2" 227lbs.

Jonathan Vilma 6'1" 230lbs.

D'Quell Jackson 6'0" 228lbs

Kirk Morrison 6'2" 240lbs.

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Karlos Dansby 6'4" 240lbs.
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Teddy Bruschi 6'1" 247lbs.

James Farrior 6'2" 243 lbs.

A.Ayodele 6'2" 250lbs.

Brian Urlacher 6'4" 258lbs - What a frickin' beast! 258 ?

Derrick Smith 6'2" 247lbs.
 

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Think we can trade Brandon Johnson to Atlanta straight-up for Dontarrious Thomas? I hear that Johnson doesn't want to be here and would rather play for his college coach.

Thomas is having surgery...might be out half the season or more.

Who wouldn't want to play for the Arizona Cardinals? :koolaid:
 

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Think we can trade Brandon Johnson to Atlanta straight-up for Dontarrious Thomas? I hear that Johnson doesn't want to be here and would rather play for his college coach.

I think he will get his wish one way or another.
 

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So do I. But then everyone will get to blame Denny for picking him and credit Rod Graves for being a genius by picking Leinart and Lutui.

You do realize that "everyone" includes you.
 

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Think we can trade Brandon Johnson to Atlanta straight-up for Dontarrious Thomas? I hear that Johnson doesn't want to be here and would rather play for his college coach.

Trade Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace, and Brandon Johnson to the Steelers for Alan Faneca.

GAME ON!

I still like the look of this:

T - Brown
G - Lutui
C - Johnson
G - Faneca
T - Ross/Gandy/Wells/Whomever wants it more.

The cap room we would gain from letting Johnson, Pace, and Johnson go might be enough to get Faneca under the cap.
 

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Trade Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace, and Brandon Johnson to the Steelers for Alan Faneca.

GAME ON!

I still like the look of this:

T - Brown
G - Lutui
C - Johnson
G - Faneca
T - Ross/Gandy/Wells/Whomever wants it more.

The cap room we would gain from letting Johnson, Pace, and Johnson go might be enough to get Faneca under the cap.

Like it or not, Pace is too valueable as a 3rd OLB in the 3-4 alignment to trade anywhere. Not to mention that there's no way that the Steelers are going to want our garbage/expiring contracts.
 

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