Pregame thread: Week 2 Minnesota @ Arizona 9-19-21

[Ronin]

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[Krangodnzr]

No. It is posible to succeed with bad play calling due to superior talent, and IMO that is what is happening, and basically what the author is stating is happening.

So when Murray makes the play that is there, it's a bad play call but only made by Murray, but when he improvises outside of the play the result is even worse...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Murray is not a bad RT. He is nearly as good as Beachum.

Jones actually played reasonably well at guard, best not to move him and give more experience there.

I think Beachum is better, and Murray isn't nearly as good. Beachum was 16th for all tackles in pass block win rate last season. When factoring that there are 64 starting tackles plus all the backups that get playing time, that makes Beachum a pretty good tackle.

 

[BritCard]

No. It is posible to succeed with bad play calling due to superior talent, and IMO that is what is happening, and basically what the author is stating is happening.

I don't think play calling is the issue. Feels like the author is more critical of some of the underlying tenets of Kliff's scheme (high screen rate, lack of motion, lack of moving WR's to create mismatches, limited routes etc etc)

All these things were better on Sunday, but still less than the average I think. It was better though, it looked more like an NFL offense than it ever has.

 

[Ronin]

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[SoonerLou]

Forgot the Vikings have Mason Cole. Sure he's sharing info on the offense.

They also have Kellen Mond who can give them a good look in practice. Not the runner Kyler is, but still pretty good.

 

[DVontel]

Forgot the Vikings have Mason Cole. Sure he's sharing info on the offense.

They also have Kellen Mond who can give them a good look in practice. Not the runner Kyler is, but still pretty good.

Kellen Mond’s play-style is not in the same galaxy as Kyler’s, lol.

 

[Ronin]

Kellen Mond?

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xplain yourself.

 

[BritCard]

Forgot the Vikings have Mason Cole. Sure he's sharing info on the offense.

They also have Kellen Mond who can give them a good look in practice. Not the runner Kyler is, but still pretty good.

Mason Cole didn't know the offense when he was here. It would be a surprise if he knew it now.

 

[BritCard]

I went back and watched the All 22 of the Titans game to see what was different on defense.

I really liked what we did at CB. Both CB's kept their eyes on the QB constantly. A lot of off man and zone. Marco Wilson really had AJ Brown in his pocket. He has great ability to shadow while keeping his eyes on the QB. There's nothing a QB likes less than a CB with eyes for the ball. Of course, all were helped a great deal by pressure from the D line.

Having Simmons and Collins is a big deal for Vance. He had both of them all over the place. For example, on the big goal line stand where we held Henry before Tannehill walked it in he had both of them on the Edge outside Golden and CJ to seal the run to the outside with Hicks and Vallejo in the middle. Their size and athleticism are going to be huge for this D.

I don't know if Simmons and Collins encouraged this change but we also played a tonne of 2 high safety. The vast majority of the game we had both safeties back which is rare for us.

The younger interior D line guys (Lawrence, Fotu and Allen) really need to get better. As well as we did vs the run it was really all Watt, CJ, Golden, LBs and safeties. Those 3 guys did very little apart from occupy O linemen.

The worst thing I saw (comparatively) was Jalen Thompson. I'm still struggling to see what some people see in him. In a game where the D were making plays all over he was late to everything. When you put Budda in the same role he's making splash plays all over, whether it be breaking someone ankles in the run game or knocking the ball away. Jalen is the guy that always turns up a second after someone already made the play. Budda had 5 solo's and 3 assists while Jalen had 2 tackles the whole game and gave up a TD in coverage. He's a JAG for me and somewhere we could definitely improve. If I'm an opposing OC he's a weakness I'm targeting.

Also Titans are trash. Seahawks are -6 and I'd bet that all day long if I was a gambling man.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the Cardinals need to be focused on how well they play offensively and defensively. If they do, everything should fall in place in their home opener.

They need to bring their A game and clean up mistakes.

 

[BritCard]

This is a really good video and worth watching.

Obviously Brit's don't normally know what they are talking about but this one is ok

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[BritCard]

Haha I said in the game thread that the blitz on Nuk's 2nd TD was garbage coverage. Who plays zero blitz with deep off man?

But here's the exact same play vs the Niners and it's a mirror image of Nuk's TD except it's not from the slot

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[Krangodnzr]

I went back and watched the All 22 of the Titans game to see what was different on defense.

I really liked what we did at CB. Both CB's kept their eyes on the QB constantly. A lot of off man and zone. Marco Wilson really had AJ Brown in his pocket. He has great ability to shadow while keeping his eyes on the QB. There's nothing a QB likes less than a CB with eyes for the ball. Of course, all were helped a great deal by pressure from the D line.

Having Simmons and Collins is a big deal for Vance. He had both of them all over the place. For example, on the big goal line stand where we held Henry before Tannehill walked it in he had both of them on the Edge outside Golden and CJ to seal the run to the outside with Hicks and Vallejo in the middle. Their size and athleticism are going to be huge for this D.

I don't know if Simmons and Collins encouraged this change but we also played a tonne of 2 high safety. The vast majority of the game we had both safeties back which is rare for us.

The younger interior D line guys (Lawrence, Fotu and Allen) really need to get better. As well as we did vs the run it was really all Watt, CJ, Golden, LBs and safeties. Those 3 guys did very little apart from occupy O linemen.

The worst thing I saw (comparatively) was Jalen Thompson. I'm still struggling to see what some people see in him. In a game where the D were making plays all over he was late to everything. When you put Budda in the same role he's making splash plays all over, whether it be breaking someone ankles in the run game or knocking the ball away. Jalen is the guy that always turns up a second after someone already made the play. Budda had 5 solo's and 3 assists while Jalen had 2 tackles the whole game and gave up a TD in coverage. He's a JAG for me and somewhere we could definitely improve. If I'm an opposing OC he's a weakness I'm targeting.

Also Titans are trash. Seahawks are -6 and I'd bet that all day long if I was a gambling man.

I saw one play where Fotu took his man and destroyed him down by the goal line. What I look for from rotational linemen is for them to make a few plays a game and not get destroyed all of the time. You can win with 3-4 DL like that.

Dogbe might play himself into more snaps...

Thompson didn't have his best game, but what I like is he generally can stay with his man in coverage and he is a sure tackler.

 

[jf-08]

Haha I said in the game thread that the blitz on Nuk's 2nd TD was garbage coverage. Who plays zero blitz with deep off man?

But here's the exact same play vs the Niners and it's a mirror image of Nuk's TD except it's not from the slot

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Steelers, not Neeners

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Goodyear Card]

6 must-watch matchups in Cardinals-Vikings Week 2 battle

The Cardinals’ home opener against the Vikings has some fantastic one-on-one matchups to watch this weekend.

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[GatorAZ]

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[Goodyear Card]

NFL announcers’ schedule for Week 2 of 2021 season

What announcers will be calling which games for Week 2 of the 2021 NFL season?

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[Stout]

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That's incredibly bad luck.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

NFL announcers’ schedule for Week 2 of 2021 season

What announcers will be calling which games for Week 2 of the 2021 NFL season?

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Minnesota Vikings at Arizona Cardinals on FOX: Gus Johnson, Aqib Talib and Megan Olivi

What in the name of B Squads is this.

 

[Arz101]

How many of you feel a let down Cardinals game coming up this Sunday? #NotSorryScarredTooManyTimes

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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This deserves a stick man.

 

[gmabel830]

Minnesota Vikings at Arizona Cardinals on FOX: Gus Johnson, Aqib Talib and Megan Olivi

What in the name of B Squads is this.

Gus Johnson is B squad?! Give me B squad all day long then!!

 

[Ronin]

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