Pro Bowl Alternate at Tackle: LEVI BROWN

[187]

just like i thought. Excuses to not give anyone credit. Ray Edwards of Minny, had 6.5 sacks going into the Cards game and did nothing. Week 11, Leonard Little had 1/2 sack against him. Sure he gets beat on the edge at times. Tell me one OT that doesn't. Like i said, i'm not saying he's great but he's not as bad as people are trying to make him out to be. You said he's one of the worst pass blocking tackle in the game. I don't agree and think you're wrong. Especailly in the 2nd half of the year. But everybody has that Colts game engraved in their memory and seems to make judgements on that.

I rememebr a few years back peole wanted Jon Runyan on this team. He got roasted every time he played Strahan. That doesn't make him a horrible tackle. These DE's are pretty good players as well.

I gave him credit and said he has played well in some games, but that doesn't change the fact he's given up so many sacks, pressures, and hits. You can't deny the numbers, being in the top 5 in nearly all of stats you don't want your tackles to have is not a good thing. It seems like every other game he gets beat on and that's not what I want from the man protecting the most important player on our offense. Hopefully his poor play at RT is because he played LT leading up to the NFL, because he will be facing better and typically faster pass rushers if he gets moved over when Gandy leaves. He has his moments, I just don't think he has any business being in the Pro Bowl. And if this was 7 or 8 years ago the 1/2 sack against Little would be meaningful

 

[Evil Ash]

I remember when one of those unbiased analysis rated Rod Hood one of the top CB's in the NFL. A year later the Cards released him.

Warner's quick throws make our offensive line look a lot better. Just like Fitzgerald's amazing catches make Warner look better.

Actually it was the other way around. Football outsiders had him as one of the WORST CBs in the league. It was us (the fans) that overrated him and didn't want to see him leave

 

[Evil Ash]

I gave him credit and said he has played well in some games, but that doesn't change the fact he's given up so many sacks, pressures, and hits. You can't deny the numbers, being in the top 5 in nearly all of stats you don't want your tackles to have is not a good thing. It seems like every other game he gets beat on and that's not what I want from the man protecting the most important player on our offense. Hopefully his poor play at RT is because he played LT leading up to the NFL, because he will be facing better and typically faster pass rushers if he gets moved over when Gandy leaves. He has his moments, I just don't think he has any business being in the Pro Bowl. And if this was 7 or 8 years ago the 1/2 sack against Little would be meaningful

True to a point but those stats can be skewed based on 1) how often we pass the ball and 2) that we are one of the few teams in the league that leaves our OTs on an island.

 

[Buckybird]

2) that we are one of the few teams in the league that leaves our OTs on an island.

I feel if we do that on a regular basis in the playoffs were aren't going to achieve our goal

 

[187]

Actually it was the other way around. Football outsiders had him as one of the WORST CBs in the league. It was us (the fans) that overrated him and didn't want to see him leave

LAST season he was one of the worst corners in the league, but the year before his numbers were great.

True to a point but those stats can be skewed based on 1) how often we pass the ball and 2) that we are one of the few teams in the league that leaves our OTs on an island.

I agree that passing so much does skew his numbers some, but even if you took that into account he is still going to be somewhere in the bottom half of all tackles. And as for two I don't pay enough attention to what other teams do with their TE's in pass protection, but we definitely leave our tackles on an island too much for comfort. That's on our coaching staff, the line played great with TE/RB help against MN so naturally we completely stray away from that strategy and Kurt's had 8 sacks in our last 3 games and DET/STL have horrible pass rushes.

 

[Duckjake]

Actually it was the other way around. Football outsiders had him as one of the WORST CBs in the league. It was us (the fans) that overrated him and didn't want to see him leave

K9 actually posted the stats and the link at the time.

EDIT: Here is the link

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2007/charting-defensive-backs-2007

 

[artp]

Whatever. Kudos to L Brown

 

[joeshmo]

As one of the most vocal Levi Bashers here is my take.

1. Has he lived up to #5 pick status, not by a long shot.
2. Has he lived up to his contract, not by a long shot.
3. His numbers per season are horrible. Has been in the top 5 of all RT's in sacks/hits/pressures given up per pass attempt, and penalties per snap every single year he has been in the league. Bottom half in running YPC to his side as well.
4. 90% of the time he still doesnt finish off plays, he is always the first guy on offense to stop playing and usually before the whistle even blows.
5. He still has lapses of just pure crapitude.

Now you probably think with all of that I dont think he deserves to be a even 3rd pro bowl alternate. Well yes and no, and here is why. After three years I think we now a have a trend. Of his three years if you notice he always ends the seasons on really, really great notes. If you also notice of his three years he starts off on really, really bad notes. If he ever played the first 8 games of the season like he does the last 8 he would and should be in pro bowl conversations, but he doesnt. During his 3 years starting at RT, 70% of his sacks, hits, pressures, and penalties occur in the first half of the season (1st 8 games). I can only assume that what ever he is doing in the offseason is making him have slow starts, not sure if its not getting ready physically, mentally, or a combo of both. Because over three years which is a trend now, it takes him a good half a season to ramp up to pro bowl consideration type play.

 

[Shane]

As one of the most vocal Levi Bashers here is my take.

1. Has he lived up to #5 pick status, not by a long shot.
2. Has he lived up to his contract, not by a long shot.
3. His numbers per season are horrible. Has been in the top 5 of all RT's in sacks/hits/pressures given up per pass attempt, and penalties per snap every single year he has been in the league. Bottom half in running YPC to his side as well.
4. 90% of the time he still doesnt finish off plays, he is always the first guy on offense to stop playing and usually before the whistle even blows.
5. He still has lapses of just pure crapitude.

Now you probably think with all of that I dont think he deserves to be a even 3rd pro bowl alternate. Well yes and no, and here is why. After three years I think we now a have a trend. Of his three years if you notice he always ends the seasons on really, really great notes. If you also notice of his three years he starts off on really, really bad notes. If he ever played the first 8 games of the season like he does the last 8 he would and should be in pro bowl conversations, but he doesnt. During his 3 years starting at RT, 70% of his sacks, hits, pressures, and penalties occur in the first half of the season (1st 8 games). I can only assume that what ever he is doing in the offseason is making him have slow starts, not sure if its not getting ready physically, mentally, or a combo of both. Because over three years which is a trend now, it takes him a good half a season to ramp up to pro bowl consideration type play.

Good stuff Joe!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I remember when one of those unbiased analysis rated Rod Hood one of the top CB's in the NFL. A year later the Cards released him.

Warner's quick throws make our offensive line look a lot better. Just like Fitzgerald's amazing catches make Warner look better.

Hood was released after the subsequent season when he played horribly.

 

[Duckjake]

If you put stock in their work you can call your travel agent. Football Outsiders projects the Bears to win the NFC this season. That's right, they have the Bears returning to Miami three years after losing Super Bowl XLI there.

Good call guys.

 

[CardLogic]

There is a classification for athletes like Levi. They are called "training champions." They excel in every facet of the game during practice, weight lifting, etc.;

This statement illustrates that you don't know what you are talking about regarding Levi Brown.

i don't see anyone on here saying Brown is great. I said he has played well the 2nd half of the season and nobody wants to acknowledge that. They're stuck in the Levi Brown sucks mode no matter what. I used to defend Davis as well. This is ,what his 3rd year, he's improved every year and i'll say he'll continue to improve. You think he should come in be a pro bowl tackle from day 1 just because he was the #5 pick. It doesn't work that way.

Well stated.

As one of the most vocal Levi Bashers here is my take.

1. Has he lived up to #5 pick status, not by a long shot.
2. Has he lived up to his contract, not by a long shot.
3. His numbers per season are horrible. Has been in the top 5 of all RT's in sacks/hits/pressures given up per pass attempt, and penalties per snap every single year he has been in the league. Bottom half in running YPC to his side as well.
4. 90% of the time he still doesnt finish off plays, he is always the first guy on offense to stop playing and usually before the whistle even blows.
5. He still has lapses of just pure crapitude.

Now you probably think with all of that I dont think he deserves to be a even 3rd pro bowl alternate. Well yes and no, and here is why. After three years I think we now a have a trend. Of his three years if you notice he always ends the seasons on really, really great notes. If you also notice of his three years he starts off on really, really bad notes. If he ever played the first 8 games of the season like he does the last 8 he would and should be in pro bowl conversations, but he doesnt. During his 3 years starting at RT, 70% of his sacks, hits, pressures, and penalties occur in the first half of the season (1st 8 games). I can only assume that what ever he is doing in the offseason is making him have slow starts, not sure if its not getting ready physically, mentally, or a combo of both. Because over three years which is a trend now, it takes him a good half a season to ramp up to pro bowl consideration type play.

Good post, Joe. Sums it up nicely.

Levi Brown frustrated Joe Paterno to no end. Why because he was one of the most physically gifted athletes Joe had; but Levi had motivation and laziness issues. Seems not much has changed with him...

There is a classification for athletes like Levi. They are called "training champions."

 

[Gee!]

Kent Somers take on Levi.. He tries to sum up what Whis may be thinking of Levi making the pro bowl..

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/70556

Doesnt sound all that great..

 

[football karma]

Kent Somers take on Levi.. He tries to sum up what Whis may be thinking of Levi making the pro bowl..

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/70556

Doesnt sound all that great..

good for Whis --

I think Whis sees great physical ability not consistently applied

 

[Buckybird]

good for Whis --

I think Whis sees great physical ability not consistently applied

I think we have seen about the best we can expect to see of Levi...an average tackle who lacks the skills & motivation to better than average. Anyone thinking differant is fooling themselves.

 

[Gee!]

I think we have seen about the best we can expect to see of Levi...an average tackle who lacks the skills & motivation to better than average. Anyone thinking differant is fooling themselves.

Eh, people were writing off Alan Branch last offseason.. He came to play this season..

 

[Buckybird]

Eh, people were writing off Alan Branch last offseason.. He came to play this season..

Very bad comparison Gee. I wouldn't say Branch is the 2nd coming of Eric Swann. Branch has been a role player who see's about 15 snaps a game, doesn't even start & is in his 3rd season as a 2nd round pick. Branch is better, but a big disappontment in what was expected of him coming out of college.

 

[Gee!]

Very bad comparison Gee. I wouldn't say Branch is the 2nd coming of Eric Swann. Branch has been a role player who see's about 15 snaps a game, doesn't even start & is in his 3rd season as a 2nd round pick. Branch is better, but a big disappontment in what was expected of him coming out of college.

What I was getting at is that a player can improve after a few years in the league.. I wasnt saying he was gonna be a world beater, but he can still improve..

 

[OmeneX]

Grats to Brown. Now make me a believer.

 

[Buckybird]

What I was getting at is that a player can improve after a few years in the league.. I wasnt saying he was gonna be a world beater, but he can still improve..

And going back to Levi, I wouldn't say he is improving. The last 2 years have been very similar...average.