Pro Bowl Alternate at Tackle: LEVI BROWN

[Crazy Canuck]

I disagree with this as proof of anything. I'd be most players and coaches in the NFL couldn't name even half the starting offensive linemen on the teams outside their division.

Heck Buddy Ryan probably didn't know the names of any of his OWN offensive players.

So... I'm a DB, and turn to my buddy the DE in the next stall and ask: "Who is the toughest OT you've gone up against this year?"

(Xxxx Xxxxx)

"Ok... thanks, he gets my vote".

 

[Zeno]

I don't think Levi Brown has been great but he has definitely looked better the last half of the season compared to how he started. He needs to continue to improve and we should all hope he does.

 

[bg7brd]

I'd be most players and coaches in the NFL couldn't name even half the starting offensive linemen on the teams outside their division.

The same can be said about arm chair QB"S

 

[Duckjake]

The same can be said about arm chair QB"S

True, but nobody is coming on here saying that something must be right because all the arm chair QBs say it is.

However many of us arm chair QBs do know our own team very well. Probably better in some aspects than the coaches we've had who could barely scrape together 5 wins a season and managed to do things like go 0-4 vs the worst teams in the NFL over 3 seasons or finish dead last in both points allowed AND points scored in the same season.

 

[Duckjake]

Speaking of offensive linemen that kid Iupati for Idaho is awesome.

Iupati and Latui. We'd be set at Guard for 10 years. Plus we get extra points for the all name team.

 

[ajcardfan]

Speaking of offensive linemen that kid Iupati for Idaho is awesome.

Iupati and Latui. We'd be set at Guard for 10 years. Plus we get extra points for the all name team.

Yeah he is. Looks like the ideal replacement for Wells to me.

 

[TJ]

TJ, you over estimate the displeasure with #75 from the fan base as a whole. Some are so outspoken and critical that the more passive and those who avoid conflict keep quiet on the subject to avoid the confrontation. I am convinced you are wrong in your opinion. The Players and Coaches in the NFL agree with me. Give it up, hate the Cowboys and 49ers. Give MY Lineman a break.

Dan, my opinion is my opinion, which cannot be wrong or right. You can disagree with the context of it, however.

I dont so much hate Levi contrary to popular belief, but rather am extremely disappointed in his progression and maturation.

I dont mind confrontation and point/counterpoint discussions about the subject, but rather encourage it; otherwise, this board would be rather tasteless.

Furthermore, the opinion I have about Levi is shared with many on this board. He is often ridiculed for his poor performance and lapses in production. If you ever go on the MB chat during game time, you'll hear my sentiments echoed.

Trust me, my hate is channeled towards the aforementioned teams. And give your fellow poster a break for having a differing opinion.

 

[PoolBoy]

Yeah he is. Looks like the ideal replacement for Wells to me.

maybe i'm stupid, but why does Wells need a replacement? how old is he?

 

[Catfish]

Apparently, we are watching two separate people. And I'm not alone in my opinion of Levi underachieving as his lack of production has stuck out like a sore thumb for too long. Personally, I don't understand why so many people are just now to his defense after ripping him apart for years. My basic opinion is that I dont see how he can even be in the Pro Bowl conversation even as an alternate when he is not even the best lineman on the team.

Furthermore, how can my comments be ignorant if they are substantiated by facts? Shane Ive respected you for years, but right now I think you are being asinine. Christ, let me have a differing opinion without being labeled "ignorant."

Back to the point.....For years, Levi has been one of the most penalized linemen in the division and up there in the conference. We also watch as he lets pass rusher after pass rusher release off the right edge and smack Kurt in the mouth with Levi only able to look back at him. Way too many times does Levi get turned parallel to the sidelines, which means he is getting beat the majority of the time.

You and I can agree that he is a physical specimen and probably stronger than any of our interior linemen; however, he does not seem to be able to transfer his physical prowess into game speed. There is a classification for athletes like Levi. They are called "training champions." They excel in every facet of the game during practice, weight lifting, etc.; yet when it comes to game time, they lose focus, make careless mistakes and do not possess the mental component to shrug those mistakes off and focus on the next play.

Levi is like a Corvette without an engine. Looks great on the outside, has all of the potential of going fast; but is missing that one piece to make it all go.

If Levi were able to transfer the talent that made him the #5 pick overall back onto the field, Id love the guy to death. But at this current moment, he plays like a journeyman lineman.

TJ-----You may not be alone with your opinion of Levi's ability to play OT, but you certainly don't lack an apparent failure to understand just what Pass-Protection is at the professional level. Your total insistance that your voice is the correct one here in the desert, more or less flies in the face of the coaches and players who voted Levi to his position as an alternate. A number of us have said all along that Levi and Gandy were not nearly so bad as what some of you have been screaming about all along. Just goes to show that it is normally the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. I would guess that right now,-----you are pretty slick.

 

[TJ]

TJ-----You may not be alone with your opinion of Levi's ability to play OT, but you certainly don't lack an apparent failure to understand just what Pass-Protection is at the professional level. Your total insistance that your voice is the correct one here in the desert, more or less flies in the face of the coaches and players who voted Levi to his position as an alternate. A number of us have said all along that Levi and Gandy were not nearly so bad as what some of you have been screaming about all along. Just goes to show that it is normally the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. I would guess that right now,-----you are pretty slick.

Thanks Catfish!

 

[ajcardfan]

maybe i'm stupid, but why does Wells need a replacement? how old is he?

He is an 8 year vet and has two years left.

This Iupati kid is the first player I've seen watching these bowls that made me say, 'WOW!' And, when you consider that he's playing G, that's pretty amazing. He certainly looks like he could easily play T. He has long arms and great feet. When he pulls, he looks like a TE on an end around he's so fast. And, oh, btw, he weighs 330.

 

[Buckybird]

He is an 8 year vet and has two years left.

This Iupati kid is the first player I've seen watching these bowls that made me say, 'WOW!' And, when you consider that he's playing G, that's pretty amazing. He certainly looks like he could easily play T. He has long arms and great feet. When he pulls, he looks like a TE on an end around he's so fast. And, oh, btw, he weighs 330.

I think we have a pro bowl/all pro guard in the waiting in Big Herm!!! Hopefully we dont make the same mistake with him as LD & Levi at OT. HJ might be a solid NFL tackle, but as we have learned with the 2 before him, will get beat by up the field speed rushers. Iupati did look very good in the bowl game though.

 

[ajcardfan]

I think we have a pro bowl/all pro guard in the waiting in Big Herm!!! Hopefully we dont make the same mistake with him as LD & Levi at OT. HJ might be a solid NFL tackle, but as we have learned with the 2 before him, will get beat by up the field speed rushers. Iupati did look very good in the bowl game though.

Yeah, I haven't forgotten about Big Herm. Physically, he and Iupati seem to be very similar. We've been grooming Keith as well. Hopefully, we see them start to be so good they can't be kept off the field.

 

[187]

So, Levi Brown is suddenly a good tackle because he is a Pro Bowl alternate? #3 in the NFL for the most penalties, #6 in most QB pressures allowed, #3 in most QB hits allowed, and #2 (with Gandy) in most sacks allowed (all of these stats were for left/right tackles). And Levi is at right tackle as everyone knows, so he's not even facing the best pass rusher on the team. But I'll put on the rose colored glasses and pretend that he's played outstanding because he was selected as an alternate. He has shown some flashes of improvement, but if he faces a speed rusher he is definitely going to get abused. Brees, Favre, and Rodgers but pray Levi doesn't get put in, seeing as he will be facing his buddies from Indy again in Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. We all know how that one went the first time around.

Levi and Mike are two of the worst pass blocking tackles in the NFL this season.

 

[Buckybird]

So, Levi Brown is suddenly a good tackle because he is a Pro Bowl alternate? #3 in the NFL for the most penalties, #6 in most QB pressures allowed, #3 in most QB hits allowed, and #2 (with Gandy) in most sacks allowed (all of these stats were for left/right tackles). And Levi is at right tackle as everyone knows, so he's not even facing the best pass rusher on the team. But I'll put on the rose colored glasses and pretend that he's played outstanding because he was selected as an alternate. He has shown some flashes of improvement, but if he faces a speed rusher he is definitely going to get abused. Brees, Favre, and Rodgers but pray Levi doesn't get put in, seeing as he will be facing his buddies from Indy again in Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. We all know how that one went the first time around.

Levi and Mike are two of the worst pass blocking tackles in the NFL this season.

Good find on the #'s of Brown. People will defend poor Levi until he gets one of QB's carried off the field on a stretcher. Levi is a solid player, not great & generally has a few mental lapses every game. For the #5 pick of the draft I expect better!!! If I'm the Cards when he is due his huge roster bonus, I cut ties with #75 if he hasn't been moved to guard first.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So, Levi Brown is suddenly a good tackle because he is a Pro Bowl alternate? #3 in the NFL for the most penalties, #6 in most QB pressures allowed, #3 in most QB hits allowed, and #2 (with Gandy) in most sacks allowed (all of these stats were for left/right tackles). And Levi is at right tackle as everyone knows, so he's not even facing the best pass rusher on the team. But I'll put on the rose colored glasses and pretend that he's played outstanding because he was selected as an alternate. He has shown some flashes of improvement, but if he faces a speed rusher he is definitely going to get abused. Brees, Favre, and Rodgers but pray Levi doesn't get put in, seeing as he will be facing his buddies from Indy again in Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. We all know how that one went the first time around.

Levi and Mike are two of the worst pass blocking tackles in the NFL this season.

that's funny, how are the Cards one of the best passing teams then? Here's an unbiased analysis of the OL.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

the Cards adjusted rate is 10th in the league. Now either we have 3 all-world interior linemen or the tackles are also doing their job.

 

[187]

that's funny, how are the Cards one of the best passing teams then? Here's an unbiased analysis of the OL.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

the Cards adjusted rate is 10th in the league. Now either we have 3 all-world interior linemen or the tackles are also doing their job.

Kurt Warner is one of the best QB's in the NFL when it comes to picking up the blitz/pressure and knowing how/when/where to release the ball quickly. Put Leinart or another QB back there that doesn't have amazing pocket presence and we will give up a hell of a lot more sacks. The line has some good games and then they have games where they play like absolute garbage in pass pro. Kurt can typically make up for that because of his quick release, luckily for us. I saw a site midseason that averaged the amount of time each olineman gave their QB to throw the ball and Mike/Levi were up there with the worst in the league. At this point in his career Levi has no business being near the Pro Bowl, unless he is getting pointers from Joe Thomas.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Kurt Warner is one of the best QB's in the NFL when it comes to picking up the blitz/pressure and knowing how/when/where to release the ball quickly. Put Leinart or another QB back there that doesn't have amazing pocket presence and we will give up a hell of a lot more sacks. The line has some good games and then they have games where they play like absolute garbage in pass pro. Kurt can typically make up for that because of his quick release, luckily for us. I saw a site midseason that averaged the amount of time each olineman gave their QB to throw the ball and Mike/Levi were up there with the worst in the league. At this point in his career Levi has no business being near the Pro Bowl, unless he is getting pointers from Joe Thomas.

Leinart being sacked once in his 31 attempts against Tennessee doesn't really support that thinking.

 

[Duckjake]

that's funny, how are the Cards one of the best passing teams then? Here's an unbiased analysis of the OL.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

the Cards adjusted rate is 10th in the league. Now either we have 3 all-world interior linemen or the tackles are also doing their job.

I remember when one of those unbiased analysis rated Rod Hood one of the top CB's in the NFL. A year later the Cards released him.

Warner's quick throws make our offensive line look a lot better. Just like Fitzgerald's amazing catches make Warner look better.

 

[Buckybird]

I remember when one of those unbiased analysis rated Rod Hood one of the top CB's in the NFL. A year later the Cards released him.

Warner's quick throws make our offensive line look a lot better. Just like Fitzgerald's amazing catches make Warner look better.

stop using reality Duck

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I remember when one of those unbiased analysis rated Rod Hood one of the top CB's in the NFL. A year later the Cards released him..

that was more of an issue of not wanting to pay him his bonus/salary to be a nickel back. I thought Hood played pretty well. When you consider we had 2 pro-bowlers and an alternate in the starting secondary you could see why they made him expendable at his price tag.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Good find on the #'s of Brown. People will defend poor Levi until he gets one of QB's carried off the field on a stretcher. Levi is a solid player, not great & generally has a few mental lapses every game. For the #5 pick of the draft I expect better!!! If I'm the Cards when he is due his huge roster bonus, I cut ties with #75 if he hasn't been moved to guard first.

i don't see anyone on here saying Brown is great. I said he has played well the 2nd half of the season and nobody wants to acknowledge that. They're stuck in the Levi Brown sucks mode no matter what. I used to defend Davis as well. This is ,what his 3rd year, he's improved every year and i'll say he'll continue to improve. You think he should come in be a pro bowl tackle from day 1 just because he was the #5 pick. It doesn't work that way.

 

[187]

Leinart being sacked once in his 31 attempts against Tennessee doesn't really support that thinking.

Tennessee has the 7th worst sack total in the NFL (29) and they do not like to blitz much from what I remember, so I'm not all that impressed. Levi was matched up against William Hayes who has 4 sacks on the season, he's not a speed rusher and Levi can typically do a solid job handling players like that. But that's his problem and really our lines problem, if we are playing anyone with speed they get roasted on the edges.

 

[Duckjake]

that was more of an issue of not wanting to pay him his bonus/salary to be a nickel back. I thought Hood played pretty well. When you consider we had 2 pro-bowlers and an alternate in the starting secondary you could see why they made him expendable at his price tag.

So he went from being rated one of the top CB's in the NFL to an overpriced Nickel Corner in just one season? So bad that the team went out and signed a free agent to take his starting spot? That's still a huge drop.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Tennessee has the 7th worst sack total in the NFL (29) and they do not like to blitz much from what I remember, so I'm not all that impressed. Levi was matched up against William Hayes who has 4 sacks on the season, he's not a speed rusher and Levi can typically do a solid job handling players like that. But that's his problem and really our lines problem, if we are playing anyone with speed they get roasted on the edges.

just like i thought. Excuses to not give anyone credit. Ray Edwards of Minny, had 6.5 sacks going into the Cards game and did nothing. Week 11, Leonard Little had 1/2 sack against him. Sure he gets beat on the edge at times. Tell me one OT that doesn't. Like i said, i'm not saying he's great but he's not as bad as people are trying to make him out to be. You said he's one of the worst pass blocking tackle in the game. I don't agree and think you're wrong. Especailly in the 2nd half of the year. But everybody has that Colts game engraved in their memory and seems to make judgements on that.

I rememebr a few years back peole wanted Jon Runyan on this team. He got roasted every time he played Strahan. That doesn't make him a horrible tackle. These DE's are pretty good players as well.