Putting it on the board-Keim&Wilks will be fired in 3 years

[Chopper0080]

I don't see us making a move to get one of the 3 best QBs in this draft, and drafting the 4th best QB will probably require a trade up which will hurt us even more.

I don't see us being bad enough to legitimately be drafting in the top 5...this team is committed to winning you know.

I don't see Keim being able to give up what it will take to get a top QB in the draft in the future.

There will not be a free agent QB in the Kirk Cousins realm in that time frame.

Some will say this is stating that the sky is falling, and FA hasn't even started. It isn't that. It is that I think people stay true to who they are. Steve Keim is a value shopper. He likes low cost, vet FAs on one year, prove it deals. He likes trading for players at low value but with upside. He likes drafting small school guys a round early to benefit from their potential. He rarely pays out big money for guys who aren't our own players or who don't fill a huge need. Keim is pursuing QBs like he pursues most players in his history. He is looking for the right guy, at the right price. The issue is that we no longer have Arians to boost that guy up. My fear and projection is that in the high stakes world of acquiring a top end QB, Keim will continue to be the bridesmaid and will never be the bride simply because it goes against his nature.

 

[BW52]

I don't see us making a move to get one of the 3 best QBs in this draft, and drafting the 4th best QB will probably require a trade up which will hurt us even more.

I don't see us being bad enough to legitimately be drafting in the top 5...this team is committed to winning you know.

I don't see Keim being able to give up what it will take to get a top QB in the draft in the future.

There will not be a free agent QB in the Kirk Cousins realm in that time frame.

Some will say this is stating that the sky is falling, and FA hasn't even started. It isn't that. It is that I think people stay true to who they are. Steve Keim is a value shopper. He likes low cost, vet FAs on one year, prove it deals. He likes trading for players at low value but with upside. He likes drafting small school guys a round early to benefit from their potential. He rarely pays out big money for guys who aren't our own players or who don't fill a huge need. Keim is pursuing QBs like he pursues most players in his history. He is looking for the right guy, at the right price. The issue is that we no longer have Arians to boost that guy up. My fear and projection is that in the high stakes world of acquiring a top end QB, Keim will continue to be the bridesmaid and will never be the bride simply because it goes against his nature.

IMHO Kirk Cousins isn`t worth the money he getting and the Vikings situation is better than the Cards right now no matter who is QB.I don`t have a problem waiting to see what happens at QB.I still think Cards sign a caretaker QB and draft a QB to develop and work on improving OLINE and defense. in draft and with solid (not flashy 0 names in Free agency and draft.I am old enough to remember many of the years when the Cards had absolutely no shot at the playoffs so i don`t consider SK`s methods as a bad way to operate since Cards are generally in contention.

 

[Shane]

Hard to argue Chopper with what we’ve seen and are still seeing

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

You can put me on board as one who is very skeptical of Keim. If this 'Aggressive' FA period ends with the Cards getting Glennon as the QB, then I will have officially given up on Keim completely. Still don't understand how he warranted a contract extension with his drafting woes and not having 1 QB on the roster...that's just gross incompetence.

 

[BW52]

Hard to argue Chopper with what we’ve seen and are still seeing

I just don`t see somewhat giving up the ship this early so to speak.You people act like if its not done immediately all is lost.

 

[TJ]

Games aren’t won in March and the team doesn’t have the cap space to aggressively pursue high dollar free agents, especially with needing a QB and improved depth WR, to say the least. 2019 will be different with close to $90mil in cap.

Let it all play out. Way too early to start writing people’s obituaries.

 

[kerouac9]

I dunno. I think Keim has the faith and trust of Bidwill. Not sure who would rise up to replace him.

Steve Wilks sure feels like a middling candidate. Had overwhelming talent in Carolina. Feels like Ken Whisenhut to me.

 

[football karma]

I think Keim got extended ( and i think it was you Chop that first posted this) because you dont want your GM picking a QB where he would have to win within a year to get his contract picked up.

Extending through 2022 says he can go all in on a young QB and have enough contract term to see it through. (BTW: especially true if it was truly a full org. decision to go "all in" on the Palmer / Arians run and pass on getting a QB the last couple years)

So - I think the extension says that MB thought it likley that they were getting their QB via the draft (not withstanding the run at Cousins).

I also think that all the "really aggressive" talk from the FO is about prepping fans for making the kind of trade necessary to get one of the QBs they like.

I fear that the fall back is shipping #15 (and more?) to Philly on draft day for Nick Foles

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I think Keim got extended ( and i think it was you Chop that first posted this) because you dont want your GM picking a QB where he would have to win within a year to get his contract picked up.

Extending through 2022 says he can go all in on a young QB and have enough contract term to see it through. (BTW: especially true if it was truly a full org. decision to go "all in" on the Palmer / Arians run and pass on getting a QB the last couple years)

So - I think the extension says that MB thought it likley that they were getting their QB via the draft (not withstanding the run at Cousins).

I also think that all the "really aggressive" talk from the FO is about prepping fans for making the kind of trade necessary to get one of the QBs they like.

I fear that the fall back is shipping #15 (and more?) to Philly on draft day for Nick Foles

If Keim gives up a 1st for Foles he'll be out of the job quicker than 3 years. That would be worst case scenario IMO.

 

[TJ]

You can put me on board as one who is very skeptical of Keim. If this 'Aggressive' FA period ends with the Cards getting Glennon as the QB, then I will have officially given up on Keim completely. Still don't understand how he warranted a contract extension with his drafting woes and not having 1 QB on the roster...that's just gross incompetence.

Keim warranted a contract extension because he made enough moves to get the team to three double-digit winning seasons in five years and was able to find a franchise QB within months of his hire, which is why he deserved the extension and the benefit of the doubt.

The plan has always been to find a bridge to the QBoF. I doubt that a Glennon signing, or any QB available for that matter, would take us out of the equation for drafting a QB early. As it stands, we still have a Top-5 defense and an elite running back, so it's obvious that for the time being, Keim is using the blueprint for a team to win by playing great defense and using the offense as a game manager.

 

[Vacard]

If Keim gives up a 1st for Foles he'll be out of the job quicker than 3 years. That would be worst case scenario IMO.

If Foles lights it up this year, it would be well worth it IMO. There’s no one worth drafting that could immediately help us like Foles can.

I agree with OP’s post. Foles is our best option now since we lost out on the Cousins sweepstakes. Vikings are just a better all-around team. They can protect him. We must trade for Foles and get Novell. That could redeem Keim. If he wasn’t too cheap during the previous years, we could’ve got Mahommes and we wouldn’t even have these discussions. Ugh.

 

[Solar7]

I like Keim, I really do. I think he's a good GM, I like his approach, and I think the hiring of Wilks was well executed.

Without a QB, I am equally unsure about the Cardinals chances in the future. I simply think we're just going to struggle in this 8-8 spot for a while... and it may cost them their jobs unless we get lucky with a draft pick. I'm not writing obituaries yet.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Keim warranted a contract extension because he made enough moves to get the team to three double-digit winning seasons in five years and was able to find a franchise QB within months of his hire, which is why he deserved the extension and the benefit of the doubt.

The plan has always been to find a bridge to the QBoF. I doubt that a Glennon signing, or any QB available for that matter, would take us out of the equation for drafting a QB early. As it stands, we still have a Top-5 defense and an elite running back, so it's obvious that for the time being, Keim is using the blueprint for a team to win by playing great defense and using the offense as a game manager.

The NFL is a 'what have you done for me lately' league, and lately Keim has built a roster predicated on old vets who are oft-injured. His drafting has been marginal, at best, and now the team has no QB, an O-Line in shambles, no TE, no Wr's outside Larry, and a defense that has to be lights out every game, or the Cards will stand no chance. If there is a vision...it's not looking like a good one.

 

[TJ]

The NFL is a 'what have you done for me lately' league, and lately Keim has built a roster predicated on old vets who are oft-injured. His drafting has been marginal, at best, and now the team has no QB, an O-Line in shambles, no TE, no Wr's outside Larry, and a defense that has to be lights out every game, or the Cards will stand no chance. If there is a vision...it's not looking like a good one.

Tight end isn't important, and I don't think the line is as bad as people advertise; just hasn't been healthy. You're right on the draft, but the veteran approach has had good returns. The defense was good enough last season to keep the team at .500 with doo doo behind center for more than half the season, so I'm not concerned. Get a game manager type QB who can hand the ball of to DJ and make few mistakes while drafting a QBoF.

Free agency just started. It's simply way too early to slit our wrists, especially since we have yet to play one game this season. Plus, as I've stated on a number of occasions, 2018 was going to be a rebuilding year because our cap number increases exponentially in 2019.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Can't get on board with saying Wilkes because we haven't seen him, but if the team is bad and this year's draft is not very good, SK may be gone after next season...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Keim has built this roster, based on the previous coach. He plans for 3 years in advance, and was caught off-guard, IMO, by BA and Palmer retiring. I truly think he felt that both would stick around for one more year...and this is why the cap is where it's at, with so much $$ coming available next year. I blame him for being caught off-guard, but honestly, he probably had favorable conversations with BA and Palmer last off-season and it wasn't until health got in the way for both of them, that they decided to retire.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Keim is garbage Ive been saying it and he is just further proving it, Prove it deal only go so far, Failing to draft quality players is leaving holes on this team. He over compensates by throwing huge cash to replace the holes. Now We have cap issues and no home grown guys to fill those holes

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Keim has built this roster, based on the previous coach. He plans for 3 years in advance, and was caught off-guard, IMO, by BA and Palmer retiring. I truly think he felt that both would stick around for one more year...and this is why the cap is where it's at, with so much $$ coming available next year. I blame him for being caught off-guard, but honestly, he probably had favorable conversations with BA and Palmer last off-season and it wasn't until health got in the way for both of them, that they decided to retire.

"Failing to plan is planning to fail."

 

[NJCardFan]

If you get right down to it, the only pick that Keim has made that worked out better than expected was DJ. He pulled out a plum in that. Baker may fall into that. But what we're seeing now is this franchise ignoring a QBOTF for a decade. Neither Whiz nor BA took this seriously and now look. Each drafted 1 QB who had no business being drafted. Especially BA when there were viable QB's in his drafts.We could have had Bridgewater, Garoppolo, McCarron, 3 players people on this board want now. Instead we got Buc, Niklas, and Stinson. One playing out of position, one made of glass, and one not even here. That's just from 2014.

 

[NJCardFan]

If Foles lights it up this year, it would be well worth it IMO. There’s no one worth drafting that could immediately help us like Foles can.

We know about if's and buts. I look at Foles like Hostetler in 1991. Like Foles, he was thrust into the starting job with the Giants due to injury to the starting QB. And like Foles, he got hot at the right time and won a Super Bowl. This made him a sought out player. He won 1 more playoff game the rest of his career and he was just a middle of the road QB. I see Foles as the same type of player.

 

[Chopper0080]

I dunno. I think Keim has the faith and trust of Bidwill. Not sure who would rise up to replace him.

Steve Wilks sure feels like a middling candidate. Had overwhelming talent in Carolina. Feels like Ken Whisenhut to me.

This is the issue. I don't believe Keim is terrible. I think he and Wilks will be just good enough to keep us out of the top 10 of drafts, but never good enough to be a contender.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sam Bradford = low end value buy with upside. 1 year veteran prove it deal.

 

[NJCardFan]

Keim has built this roster, based on the previous coach. He plans for 3 years in advance, and was caught off-guard, IMO, by BA and Palmer retiring. I truly think he felt that both would stick around for one more year...and this is why the cap is where it's at, with so much $$ coming available next year. I blame him for being caught off-guard, but honestly, he probably had favorable conversations with BA and Palmer last off-season and it wasn't until health got in the way for both of them, that they decided to retire.

I'm sorry but if he thought Palmer was going to QB this team for years to come then he's either stupid or incompetent. Out of 5 years, Palmer played in exactly 2 injury free seasons. But instead of planning for the future, he stood pat on QB's and now we're seeing the fruit of that. I don't think I've ever seen a team with zero QB's under contract at any point.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Sam Bradford = low end value buy with upside. 1 year veteran prove it deal.

But he was aggressive and did it on day 1 .

 

[splitsecond]

If you get right down to it, the only pick that Keim has made that worked out better than expected was DJ. He pulled out a plum in that. Baker may fall into that. But what we're seeing now is this franchise ignoring a QBOTF for a decade. Neither Whiz nor BA took this seriously and now look. Each drafted 1 QB who had no business being drafted. Especially BA when there were viable QB's in his drafts.We could have had Bridgewater, Garoppolo, McCarron, 3 players people on this board want now. Instead we got Buc, Niklas, and Stinson. One playing out of position, one made of glass, and one not even here. That's just from 2014.

And DJ was his second choice.