Putting it on the board-Keim&Wilks will be fired in 3 years

[daves]

Still don't understand how he warranted a contract extension with his drafting woes and not having 1 QB on the roster...that's just gross incompetence.

This whole, "Not having 1 QB on the roster" thing is WAY overblown. [Don't mean to pick on you, AsUpRoDiGy - i've seen this stated often.]

The fact that they don't have backup QBs is no big deal - backups are a dime a dozen and with a new coaching staff, they'd need to learn a new system regardless. Stanton and Gabbert were awful and easily replaced - or easily re-signed (ulch).

What happened is that their starting QB retired (somewhat predictably), so they need a new starting QB. That happens to lots of teams all the time. What Keim can rightfully be faulted for is not having a potential QBOF already on the roster. Yep, that's bad, though obviously a new "QBOF" or legitimate starter can be had in free agency, which *might* be just as good as if they had drafted someone in the past couple of years and groomed him under the old coaching staff.

But wailing about the team having "not a single QB under contract" is overstating the problem. If they still had Stanton, Gabbert, and Barkley under contract, the situation would not be the least bit improved.

...dbs

 

[Praxis]

I think it'll be more like 1.5-2 years.

 

[Chopper0080]

But he was aggressive and did it on day 1 .

We will sign Glennon for 10 mil and then draft Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph at 15...THEN we will show how aggressive we were!

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

This whole, "Not having 1 QB on the roster" thing is WAY overblown. [Don't mean to pick on you, AsUpRoDiGy - i've seen this stated often.]

The fact that they don't have backup QBs is no big deal - backups are a dime a dozen and with a new coaching staff, they'd need to learn a new system regardless. Stanton and Gabbert were awful and easily replaced - or easily re-signed (ulch).

What happened is that their starting QB retired (somewhat predictably), so they need a new starting QB. That happens to lots of teams all the time. What Keim can rightfully be faulted for is not having a potential QBOF already on the roster. Yep, that's bad, though obviously a new "QBOF" or legitimate starter can be had in free agency, which *might* be just as good as if they had drafted someone in the past couple of years and groomed him under the old coaching staff.

But wailing about the team having "not a single QB under contract" is overstating the problem. If they still had Stanton, Gabbert, and Barkley under contract, the situation would not be the least bit improved.

...dbs

Drafting 1 QB in 4 years is mainly what I was referring to, especially with a QB you knew who was going to retire at any given time. You would be hard-pressed to find any other team in the league that has almost completely avoided drafting a QB in the last 4 years like Keim has. It's mind boggling.

 

[kerouac9]

What happened is that their starting QB retired (somewhat predictably), so they need a new starting QB. That happens to lots of teams all the time.

Can you name one time this happened to another team? Let's take Kurt Warner off the board (especially because the Cards already had Leinart).

 

[b8rtm8nn]

The Bills hired a new coach from the Panthers a year before us and they went through the growing pains on offense last year. This year, they are making roster moves to be primed to pick up a QBOF.

I will reserve judgement for the next two years because we don't know what we have until we know what we have.

 

[daves]

Can you name one time this happened to another team? Let's take Kurt Warner off the board (especially because the Cards already had Leinart).

Almost every year there are one or more teams that go into the offseason with no starting QB under contract for the following year. This year it was Arizona, Minnesota, Washington, and New Orleans. Last year Washington and I Chicago after they cut Cutler. Sometimes they use the franchise tag, sometimes they get an extension worked out, sometimes they abseits someone new.

My point is simply that, yes, it's bad that the Cardinals are one of those teams, and (before today and the upcoming draft) had no replacement lined up yet. But, the fact that the Cardinals also have no backup or 3rd string QB on the signed for next year does not make the situation any worse. 2nd & 3rd string QBs are a dime a dozen, and given a new coaching staff, there's no value in retaining an existing backup for continuity. Especially Stanton and Gabbert, who are awful.

So this recurring theme of, "The sky is falling and Keim is incompetent because the Cardinals don't have a single QB on the roster" is hyperbolic.

...dbs

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[daves]

Drafting 1 QB in 4 years is mainly what I was referring to, especially with a QB you knew who was going to retire at any given time. You would be hard-pressed to find any other team in the league that has almost completely avoided drafting a QB in the last 4 years like Keim has. It's mind boggling.

I agree, the team probably would've been better off with the right young QBOF candidate already on the roster. Wouldn't made this offseason much less dramatic! But now they've got a bridge QB, and will have a young potential QBOF candidate after the draft. The fact they don't have Stanton or Gabbert or Barkley or any other backup QBs signed should not have added one iota of stress to anyone's worries about the offseason.

...dave

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[MadCardDisease]

Way to go out on a limb there.

Especially considering that the average length of a NFL coaches career is 3 years for a team.

 

[Chopper0080]

Way to go out on a limb there.

Especially considering that the average length of a NFL coaches career is 3 years for a team.

Are you stating this will happen as well, because I don't see anyone else calling our situation what it is.

 

[oaken1]

Are you stating this will happen as well, because I don't see anyone else calling our situation what it is.

Im gonna wait for the draft. But if they think these two guys combined with a third or fourth round QB makes us okay... then I agree...and it wont likely take three years

 

[Jetstream Green]

Anyone who wants to draw attention to the fact by making a statement "putting in on the board" must really believe in their prognostication. Therefore, I am glad I will not have to read any banter about how our QB we drafted sucks, because you pretty much confirmed all three years of a down hill spiral for the team of mediocrity by everything we will do from this point on already... unless you are a total prick who is going to keep harping on "I told you so" every time something goes wrong lol

 

[Chopper0080]

Anyone who wants to draw attention to the fact by making a statement "putting in on the board" must really believe in their prognostication. Therefore, I am glad I will not have to read any banter about how our QB we drafted sucks, because you pretty much confirmed all three years of a down hill spiral for the team of mediocrity by everything we will do from this point on already... unless you are a total prick who is going to keep harping on "I told you so" every time something goes wrong lol

I want to be wrong about this. I want this team to win. I don't believe we will have the ammo or be willing to give up what it will take to move up to get a top QB. My point is that people need to begin to adjust their expectations moving forward. Getting a QB of the future and upgrading the line are cliches, and I don't believe we have the actual resources to achieve either of these. The thought that our first time, defensive minded head coach is going to coach up a 2nd or 3rd round QB is also a bit naive to me. It isn't impossible, but neither is it likely.

To me, it reeks of the AP deal. A ill-planned move to say something was done, but with little actual upside when you realistically look at what our roster is.

Honestly, as long as people on this board don't react with shock when Bradford gets injured, the offensive line still sucks, we aren't winning, and the QB who we draft and is the 5th best in the draft isn't any good...I'm good.

 

[crisper57]

Keim is petrified to tie his fate to a god honest QBOF, so he keeps procrastinating and putting us in purgatory.

 

[AZ Native]

Pure overreaction, Let's see how this plays out. Keim is not petrified and I will trust him more than posters to this board. He has actually done very well for us. And MB is onboard, give the man a chance. As the Beatles said "Let it be" and see how it plays out. Want Graves back?

 

[redheat]

As much as I enjoy the late season wins it’s killing us draft wise for a qb. Not moving up last year was stupid and I blame BA just win now baby for that.

 

[Buckybird]

I don't see us making a move to get one of the 3 best QBs in this draft, and drafting the 4th best QB will probably require a trade up which will hurt us even more.

I don't see us being bad enough to legitimately be drafting in the top 5...this team is committed to winning you know.

I don't see Keim being able to give up what it will take to get a top QB in the draft in the future.

There will not be a free agent QB in the Kirk Cousins realm in that time frame.

Some will say this is stating that the sky is falling, and FA hasn't even started. It isn't that. It is that I think people stay true to who they are. Steve Keim is a value shopper. He likes low cost, vet FAs on one year, prove it deals. He likes trading for players at low value but with upside. He likes drafting small school guys a round early to benefit from their potential. He rarely pays out big money for guys who aren't our own players or who don't fill a huge need. Keim is pursuing QBs like he pursues most players in his history. He is looking for the right guy, at the right price. The issue is that we no longer have Arians to boost that guy up. My fear and projection is that in the high stakes world of acquiring a top end QB, Keim will continue to be the bridesmaid and will never be the bride simply because it goes against his nature.

Post of the year Chopper! Reality brotha & I’ve been a huge Keim time guy for years. His act has become stale & if he doesn’t do the right thing in this draft, he’s dead to me lol

I think these 2 signings of QBs today is just the beginning of the end for him in Zona. Tick tick tick

 

[Buckybird]

If this 'Aggressive' FA period ends with the Cards getting Glennon as the QB, then I will have officially given up on Keim completely. .

I'm close if this draft don’t work out

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I'm close if this draft don’t work out

 

[Buckybird]

We will sign Glennon for 10 mil and then draft Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph at 15...THEN we will show how aggressive we were!

Well...step 2 check

 

[Jetstream Green]

I want to be wrong about this. I want this team to win. I don't believe we will have the ammo or be willing to give up what it will take to move up to get a top QB. My point is that people need to begin to adjust their expectations moving forward. Getting a QB of the future and upgrading the line are cliches, and I don't believe we have the actual resources to achieve either of these. The thought that our first time, defensive minded head coach is going to coach up a 2nd or 3rd round QB is also a bit naive to me. It isn't impossible, but neither is it likely.

To me, it reeks of the AP deal. A ill-planned move to say something was done, but with little actual upside when you realistically look at what our roster is.

Honestly, as long as people on this board don't react with shock when Bradford gets injured, the offensive line still sucks, we aren't winning, and the QB who we draft and is the 5th best in the draft isn't any good...I'm good.

I already expect this outcome and was prepared haha... I wait for the draft, but actually like Lamar Jackson as an option but then again lol

 

[Stout]

Keim is petrified to tie his fate to a god honest QBOF, so he keeps procrastinating and putting us in purgatory.

Exactly!

 

[THESMEL]

Bah humbug - keim can’t reach back and pull a franchise QB out his AZ - more likely monkeys flying out like in the wizard of oz - signing Sam to one year with a team option for 2nd year - backed up by Glennon - we may have 2 of the top 32 QBs in the world - besides if Fitz is happy with Bradford - woo hoo for us fans

 

[WildBB]

I want to be wrong about this. I want this team to win. I don't believe we will have the ammo or be willing to give up what it will take to move up to get a top QB. My point is that people need to begin to adjust their expectations moving forward. Getting a QB of the future and upgrading the line are cliches, and I don't believe we have the actual resources to achieve either of these. The thought that our first time, defensive minded head coach is going to coach up a 2nd or 3rd round QB is also a bit naive to me. It isn't impossible, but neither is it likely.

To me, it reeks of the AP deal. A ill-planned move to say something was done, but with little actual upside when you realistically look at what our roster is.

Honestly, as long as people on this board don't react with shock when Bradford gets injured, the offensive line still sucks, we aren't winning, and the QB who we draft and is the 5th best in the draft isn't any good...I'm good.

Honest question. If they have the chance to pull up up a few spots and get Mayfield or Rosen do you do it?

If not who do you target, realistically?

 

[Buckybird]

Honest question. If they have the chance to pull up up a few spots and get Mayfield or Rosen do you do it?

If not who do you target?

Absofreakinglutely!