sundevilscott
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Reno or release him, just move him somewhere. I can't remember the last time someone has been this bad.
Qualls needs to go somewhere now!!
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Qualls is crap.
Howry is crap.
Heilman is crap.
I blame Josh Byrnes for this bullpen. You would think after last year he would spend a little and bring in some decent arms. Instead, he saved a few dollars and brought in more crap.
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sundevilscott
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You are exactly right.
I am done watching for a while until some change is made in the bullpen.
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Yup... and surprisingly, nobody is talking about the serious slump Upton is in, or how CY seems to be slowly but steadily reverting back to the CY from last season...
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They are slumping at times but the offense has been good enough to turn it over to the bullpen to keep a lead and they have failed miserably once again.
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"Slumping at times"?? Not even sure what that means and I'm a baseball guy!
Upton is hitting .186 and CY is down to .237. If "slumping at times" means all the time, then you're spot on!
It means CY has been slumping for what...3 or 4 games? I don't blame you for mentioning it now because I was praising him on Day 1..haha
And Upton didn't do well at the beginning last year. The lineup has been hitting enough, but this is the worst bullpen I've seen here. It's a good thing we have basketball and hockey to watch right now.
And Upton didn't do well at the beginning last year. The lineup has been hitting enough, but this is the worst bullpen I've seen here. It's a good thing we have basketball and hockey to watch right now.
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I dunno... I mean, I do know that the pen is epically BAD, but I also think you're giving our offense way too much credit. We were recently swept by the Padres. Go back and look at how many runs we scored in that 3 game series. (clue: it was greater than 5 but less than 7
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"Slumping at times"?? Not even sure what that means and I'm a baseball guy!
Upton is hitting .186 and CY is down to .237. If "slumping at times" means all the time, then you're spot on!
My point was the Diamondbacks have had enough offense to win games but thanks to the bullpen, they got a loss instead. This bullpen is atrocious and I would hope Josh Byrnes would make changes, but I doubt he would.
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I dunno... I mean, I do know that the pen is epically BAD, but I also think you're giving our offense way too much credit. We were recently swept by the Padres. Go back and look at how many runs we scored in that 3 game series. (clue: it was greater than 5 but less than 7
In two of those games against the Padres, the Diamondbacks were winning when the game was turned over to the bullpen. The offense won't be confused with the Yankees offense but if the bullpen was any good, the Diamondbacks would probably have at least 3-4 more wins this year.
In 2007, the Diamondbacks bullpen was exceptional and even though they didn't have a great offense, they won the NL West. The bullpen is too important to ignore and Josh Byrnes did not really address that problem. So far his gamble has not paid off and it doesn't look like these guys will start throwing like Mariano Rivera. I hope I'm wrong about guys like Heilman and Qualls.
I know we are all frustated Diamondback fans but the only good thing I can say is that it's only April and they play in the weak NL West.
I know it's hard but think positive. 
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Love Upton, but he has been absolute crap. 3 hole hitter, who has 4 HR's and 5 RBI's. That's pathetic.
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6 BS from the bullpen in 15 total games so far and the Yankee fan is bitching about the offense?
Typical....
Forgive me for throwing some levity in this conversation, but the DBacks are 3rd in the NL in RS and have only scored less than 3 runs in two games so far.
As someone who happens to fit in the Houston regional television market, I don't think you realize what a bad offense is.
Typical....
Forgive me for throwing some levity in this conversation, but the DBacks are 3rd in the NL in RS and have only scored less than 3 runs in two games so far.
As someone who happens to fit in the Houston regional television market, I don't think you realize what a bad offense is.
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You see the attendance last night? Maybe 20k there at best.
We don't have the money to spend on proven relief pitchers, even if predicting performance from RP's was possible. You also forget that Qualls, Howry, and Heilman all had solid 2009 seasons.
The "sky is falling, let's trade for player x" is completely ridiculous. The organization is closer to trading Haren for prospects than it is loading up to make a run at this thing.
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82CardsGrad
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6 BS from the bullpen in 15 total games so far and the Yankee fan is bitching about the offense?
Typical....
Forgive me for throwing some levity in this conversation, but the DBacks are 3rd in the NL in RS and have only scored less than 3 runs in two games so far.
As someone who happens to fit in the Houston regional television market, I don't think you realize what a bad offense is.
Believe me, as a Yankee fan I have witnessed huge loads of $$ being paid to duds... Maybe that is why I am particularly aware and concerned about CF and RF for this team.
Yes, as a team the D-Backs are scoring at a rate that should give most teams the needed support to produce more W's. However, when two of the highest paid guys on the team laying eggs all over the place, it puts added pressure on the rest of the lower paid team members.
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If those lower paid team members are coming through then it's all gravy, hence why it's a "team sport". You want to talk pressure, lets talk about the amount of pressure a bullpen that's dead last in ERA and is blowing saves at an astronomical rate adds to the team.
Edit: On a side note, lets keep factual here, while Upton has signed a nice long term contract, he's only make 700k on this years books. Far far from the highest paid guys on the team.
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I would not at all argue the amount of pressure being caused by the Bull-**** Pen... They are truly horrible...
However, this argument goes back to one that I've been making here for the past 2 years. A guy like CY is a trap player that, unless removed will lead a team to perpetually sit in the basement. I don't care if others might "come through" from time to time. You simply can't be successful over a 162 game season with a starting CF who can't hit .240 and can't put up a halfway respectable OB%. CY has been and continues to be a HUGE black hole on this team. Add Upton's early season ineptitude and the entire situation is exascerbated...
Yes, the pen is all-world horrendous. And yes, they deserve the largest share of the blame. But while we do sit in the top 10 in most offensive categories, I believe that is mainly do to a very solid first 7-8 games (one in which we rung up 15 runs against the hapless Pirates...). Otherwise, of the 15 games played we have scored 5 or more runs 8 times (one being the 15 runs vs the Pirates). I guess I can't help but feel that although the pen contributed to these pathetic losses, that our offense is declining as well and that come June & July, it won't be the pen people are bitching about, rather, it will resemble last season when we couldn't score even if the opposing pitcher decided to throw under-hand to us...
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The question is who are you going to get? Getting rid of Qualls is stupid. He has been a good pitcher all of his career. Heilman and Howry I could do without. To see how fickle relief pitching is, all you have to do is look at Jon Rauch. He was awful for us last year. Everyone bitching about him. This year he is a world beater, one of the top closers this season. We have to make moves, but getting rid of Qualls would be moronic.
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It's almost impossible to project relief guys sans the top 10-15% guys in the game whose asking price is way too much for us when they do manage to get to free agency. This appears to be a organizational thing, we really haven't developed that many quality relievers both in the farm system and at the major league level. Our suspect defense hasn't helped matters either.
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Gotta wonder how Stottlemeyer factors in here...
BC867
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Bingo! When the whole bullpen blows leads, is it the fault of each individual player?
Only if they are truly Minor League level pitchers. Aside from a couple of them, I don't think so.
I would "try" Gutierrez as closer without delay.
It's interesting that Howry, Heilman and Qualls are all 6'5". Maybe the air is different for them.
It's also interesting that there is not one lefty on the pitching staff. Starter or reliever. Not one. Who planned that?
Does Mel, Jr., have a clue what he's doing?
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Arizona probably wishes they had held on to Jose Valverde. Qualls has had flashes, but he's been okay at best overall. The Diamondbacks should look for a long term replacemnt at closer in my opinion. It seems that many of you agree with that assessment.
