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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I have to side with Q on this. What the hell kind of deal is that? NO UPFRONT MONEY????

If this is true, that's pathetic by Graves. He seriously expects Q to sign a deal that will allow the Cards to cut him if he gets injured with no guaranteed money?

Stupid. Just plain stupid.

I was on the bandwagon of "quit your crying millionaire" but I'd be offended too if I was Q.

There's always a starting point to negotiations, but this is ridiculous.

If you go to buy a house and offer half what they're selling for, you're not going to get a counter offer, you'll get written off.

If that offer is true, then whoever came up with it should be fired.

That offer IS a slap in the face.

HOW DO YOU NOT AT LEAST OFFER A SIGNING BONUS?????
 

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Here's my problem w/ Q. He was offered a top reciever type contract before the Fitz deal. He & Rosenhaus decided to pass & take the gamble he could get a better deal later.

Q, you're an adult, & you took the gamble. That gamble came up snake eyes, & now you want others to pay for your poor gamble. Part of being a grown up is taking responsibility for your choices. You made a poor choice by selling your soul to Rosenhaus in the first place & then augmented that by following his advice not to take the good deal that was offered before Fitz'. Now you pay the price for a horrible decision & learn.

The Cards were/are under NO obligation to redo a contract you signed not long ago. They did the right thing to offer a re-do, you declined. Bad choice! Now be a man & live w/ it rather than make others pay for YOUR BAD CHOICES!

You're worth more, no doubt. The Cards were willing to pay you more & probably close to what you're really worth. You flat out made a bad, bad decision. Not the first one to lose to the slime ball Rosenhaus.

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If we would have done this deal before the draft we could have gotten Crayton and Mendenhall.

Timing is everything. And I don't want to see Q go to the Cowboys while I am watching Hard Knocks. I might slit my wrists.

Christ!! What is with this Crayton crap, my god! HE ISN'T THAT GOOD!!!
 

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Boldin is the one who lied. I thought he didn't want to talk about it. jeez.
 

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Let not fall for all these Smoke & Mirrors that both sides are throwing at us.
the only smoke and mirrors are coming from Boldin's side.The Cards have remained pretty constant in that they won't trade him and want to sign him to an extension when they more cap space. I think Boldin's main concern is that he knows he's injury prone, because of his style of play, and wants a deal done prior to the season to alleviate the fear of a career threatening injury occuring before a new contract can be done.
 

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Christ!! What is with this Crayton crap, my god! HE ISN'T THAT GOOD!!!

Neither do I. But if we were to make a deal for my favorite player, getting mendenhall would have been a good one. Him accompanied by an at the very least capable #2 WR would have been the best we could have hoped for.

Now we have to stick it out.
 

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Guess he won't be a happy millionaire until he gets sufficient more millions to play catch. So sad.

Ah, Q, what happened to you, man? You used to be so cool.
 

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Some of his comments:

1) Him and Rosenhaus have asked for a trade
2) Is very uncomfortable and this WILL BE IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND.
3) Wants a fair deal
4) Has been talking with the Cards for 2 years now
5) Wiz told him to just sign the deal
6) RG, Michael and Wiz where there, upset with ALL 3
7) Irvin asked him will it be difficult to pla? Quan said "It's gonna come up"
8) Holds the coach accountable for his words
9) Irvin asked Quan if the Bidwills rep for being cheap bother him? "Not at 1st"
10) Quan added "How can a team captain, voted on by your pears, not be taken care of"
11) Said Cards have been dishonest with him at least 5 times
12) Said he and Rosenhaus have had to intiate contact with GM Graves because he is always busy with the draft, free agency and the Dansby contract. Boldin added "Too which didn't get done either".
13) Cards told him they don't want to trade good players like him
14) Q said "If they aren't willing to do right by me, trade me".
15) said Cards offered 4 year extension to his existing 3 years at $7 mil (after 3rd year was up) and no signing bonus at all.
16) Wants to be paid top5 WR money-in the 8 mil a year range

1. Boldin is a liar, because he did state in another interview that Drew asked for a trade before the draft. When asked about it before the draft Boldin flat out denied it.

Item #2 and #7 were talked about on the radio this morning. Boldins exact words were, "It is going to be hard for me to focus and play every week". Now Boldin has completely crossed the line and is threatening his production this year. It is just a tactic of course but it is a threat against the productivity of MY TEAM. Uncalled for and crosses the line. Completly takes away from the company line that no matter what Boldin will play like Boldin. Well not so according to Boldin.

Item #12 - Graves told you in December when you guys said you will wait for the Fitz deal to get done the timeline will change with other priorites. So why the heck is he so surprised that Graves had other priorities. Its like if some tells you they are going to punch you in the face on Saturday then comes Saturday and your surprised you just got punched in the face.

Item #16 - Then trade his butt now. Now way in hell we should pay 1 WR 10 Mill a year and a 2nd one 8 mill a year. Huge waste of funds no matter who those WR's are.
 

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If he wants Top 5 WR money, he should start playing like one again..

14 overall TD the last two seasons.. and only two full seasons played in his 5 yr career, doesnt warrant you Top 5 WR money.. especially at age 28 with a history of nagging injuries..

I guess hes right, the Cards did lie to him about extending him, but that was probably the result of the Cards not expecting he'd ask for Top5 money.. which he doesnt deserve..

I wonder if he understands that talent and production are two different things.

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His bit is getting awful tired.
 

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If Boldin was the only top 5 WR on the team then I would probably pay the man. But paying two top 5 wr's on the same team, sorry.(which is exactly what I think the problem is and Boldin knows it, and Wiz probably told him so, we are not willing to pay you 8 Mill a year). Boldin probably knows he is not going to make 8 Mill a year no matter how much negotiating happens, so its time for a different strategy before he gets old.

If Boldin got his deal before Fitz I would be saying we should trade Fitz, and vice versa.
 

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Item #2 and #7 were talked about on the radio this morning. Boldins exact words were, "It is going to be hard for me to focus and play every week". Now Boldin has completely crossed the line and is threatening his production this year. It is just a tactic of course but it is a threat against the productivity of MY TEAM. Uncalled for and crosses the line. Completly takes away from the company line that no matter what Boldin will play like Boldin. Well not so according to Boldin.

Thankfully for this I think Whis has enough sense to pull him if he is dogging it.
 

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If you go to buy a house and offer half what they're selling for, you're not going to get a counter offer, you'll get written off.

Apples and Oranges.

Buying or selling a house you are dealing with multiple offers from multiple people.

Contract negotiations are between two parties and two parties only in this situation considering Boldin has no leverage or no negotating rights with any other team. When you are in a situation of zero leverage what so ever with 3 years left on your contract a half offer is a good starting place, taking things to emotional such as calling something a slap in the face will lead to zero communication and zero new contract which is counterproductive to what he wants.
 

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If Boldin was the only top 5 WR on the team then I would probably pay the man. But paying two top 5 wr's on the same team, sorry.(which is exactly what I think the problem is and Boldin knows it, and Wiz probably told him so, we are not willing to pay you 8 Mill a year). Boldin probably knows he is not going to make 8 Mill a year no matter how much negotiating happens, so its time for a different strategy before he gets old.

If Boldin got his deal before Fitz I would be saying we should trade Fitz, and vice versa.

Neither Cardinals WR is top 5.
 

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12) Said he and Rosenhaus have had to intiate contact with GM Graves because he is always busy with the draft, free agency and the Dansby contract. Boldin added "Too which didn't get done either".

I thought Boldin told Rosenhaus stop talking to the cards and that he was out of here in 3 years. (sound like someone is lying)
 

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Listening to Q's interview with Irvin yesterday was just flat out depressing. I do happen to believe pretty much everything Q is saying regarding the handling of his contract and sad to say I'm not the least bit surprised about any of it.

For them to send Graves an offer and not hear back from him for 2 weeks and basically have to run him down to talk to him is just plain ridiculous, especially given the contract he was supposed to have been working on at the time for Dansby never got anywhere. That is not professional and certainly not the way I would expect any GM to treat any player let alone (arguably) the best player on your team. I think that contributed a lot to the slap in the face feeling that Q had once he finally did present him an offer with no guaranteed money. Honestly If I were Q I'd feel the exact same way.

Graves is a failure 100x over and I said it at the time and I will continue to say it until he is gone, the Cards proved to me that they were not making every last possible effort to turn the franchise into a winner when they canned Green yet promoted and extended Graves instead of cleaning house and bringing in a respected GM with a proven track record and letting him have complete control over all football decisions. They decided to stick with the same ol same ol despite the track record of utter futility. It's the Bidwill's right to have whomever they want running the show and to dabble as they see fit however they have proven they are completely clueless as to how to build and sustain a winning team in there time here in Arizona, so to me as much as they try to preach they aren't, they are indeed the same old sorry ass Cardinals.

I guess I have no choice but to man up and accept it for what it is and pray for that miracle season in 08 we've been waiting for for so long because I have no idea what this team is going to look like in the very near future.
 

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Listening to Q's interview with Irvin yesterday was just flat out depressing. I do happen to believe pretty much everything Q is saying regarding the handling of his contract and sad to say I'm not the least bit surprised about any of it.

For them to send Graves an offer and not hear back from him for 2 weeks and basically have to run him down to talk to him is just plain ridiculous, especially given the contract he was supposed to have been working on at the time for Dansby never got anywhere. That is not professional and certainly not the way I would expect any GM to treat any player let alone (arguably) the best player on your team. I think that contributed a lot to the slap in the face feeling that Q had once he finally did present him an offer with no guaranteed money. Honestly If I were Q I'd feel the exact same way.

Graves is a failure 100x over and I said it at the time and I will continue to say it until he is gone, the Cards proved to me that they were not making every last possible effort to turn the franchise into a winner when they canned Green yet promoted and extended Graves instead of cleaning house and bringing in a respected GM with a proven track record and letting him have complete control over all football decisions. They decided to stick with the same ol same ol despite the track record of utter futility. It's the Bidwill's right to have whomever they want running the show and to dabble as they see fit however they have proven they are completely clueless as to how to build and sustain a winning team in there time here in Arizona, so to me as much as they try to preach they aren't, they are indeed the same old sorry ass Cardinals.

I guess I have no choice but to man up and accept it for what it is and pray for that miracle season in 08 we've been waiting for for so long because I have no idea what this team is going to look like in the very near future.


Boldin did the exact same thing and never replied to him 2 weeks later. Don't complain about something if you're going to do the exact same thing Mr Boldin.
 

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Boldin did the exact same thing and never replied to him 2 weeks later. Don't complain about something if you're going to do the exact same thing Mr Boldin.
You don't get it dcr. These complaints only apply if we are talking about Rod Graves. :sarcasm:

You know that if Q said it, it HAS TO BE true. More :sarcasm:
 

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Boldin did the exact same thing and never replied to him 2 weeks later. Don't complain about something if you're going to do the exact same thing Mr Boldin.

1. Boldin doesn't represent the team/organization as a whole in a contract negotiation, he represents only himself. If he does something bad it really only reflects on him as an individual where as Graves' bumbling and stumbling reflects on the Cardinals as an organization and quite frankly makes them look amatuerish, which just basically reiterates the status quo I guess.

2. If you feel you were treated poorly to begin with, why would you extend yourself to anything above and beyond the way you were orginally treated in the 1st place? To prove you are the better man? Screw that. If I go to shake someone's hand and they spit in my face first then offer to shake, best believe I am going to spit back.
 

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Listening to Q's interview with Irvin yesterday was just flat out depressing. I do happen to believe pretty much everything Q is saying regarding the handling of his contract and sad to say I'm not the least bit surprised about any of it.

For them to send Graves an offer and not hear back from him for 2 weeks and basically have to run him down to talk to him is just plain ridiculous, especially given the contract he was supposed to have been working on at the time for Dansby never got anywhere. That is not professional and certainly not the way I would expect any GM to treat any player let alone (arguably) the best player on your team. I think that contributed a lot to the slap in the face feeling that Q had once he finally did present him an offer with no guaranteed money. Honestly If I were Q I'd feel the exact same way.

Graves is a failure 100x over and I said it at the time and I will continue to say it until he is gone, the Cards proved to me that they were not making every last possible effort to turn the franchise into a winner when they canned Green yet promoted and extended Graves instead of cleaning house and bringing in a respected GM with a proven track record and letting him have complete control over all football decisions. They decided to stick with the same ol same ol despite the track record of utter futility. It's the Bidwill's right to have whomever they want running the show and to dabble as they see fit however they have proven they are completely clueless as to how to build and sustain a winning team in there time here in Arizona, so to me as much as they try to preach they aren't, they are indeed the same old sorry ass Cardinals.

I guess I have no choice but to man up and accept it for what it is and pray for that miracle season in 08 we've been waiting for for so long because I have no idea what this team is going to look like in the very near future.

It was reported that Rosenhaus waited over a month to respond to the Cards' offer, which was made in the time frame that they told Rosenhaus he and Q needed to work inside of...thus frittering away that window of opportunity.

Q and Rosenhaus were told that if a deal couldn't be reached in that window of opportunity, one would not be able to be reached afterward.

Q and Rosenhaus decided to wait...they wanted to see what Fitz was getting and then they wanted a trade.

To blame this on Graves is totally unfair, IMO. He's done more with player contracts since he's been here than any other previous GM. Just because he doesn't cave in to a player's and a greedy agent's demands, doesn't mean he isn't doing his job.

Quite frankly, I think what he did this off-season was a major coup. Fitz could have forced the team's hand and made them pay him $16M this year...to get Fitz signed in light of that was outstanding. Also, as we have seen thus far in free agency, he made the most of acquiring good free agents on a limited budget...and he got every draft pick signed virtually on time (save an extra day or two for DRC, which was ok in my book, all things considered). In addition he worked the phones well enough to persuade some highly coveted UCFAs such as Ali Highsmith to sign here. It's looking like this year's crop of rookies is about as good from top to bottom as we have ever had.

There are also budget constraints...the Bidwills don't own Microsoft...there's only so many millions of guaranteeed money they can throw around each year.

And there are cap ramifications to consider.

Boldin has his own agenda...he wants out of Arizona. That's the problem. He says the Cardinals promised him a contract. Did the Cardinals offer him one? YES. He didn't like it. And his agent took over a month to respond. All part of the agenda. Now Q is trashing the organization...the same organization that sent him a cool $10M up front for a renewed contract after his second year, when they could have made Q play for his 2nd rounder money the next two years.

And...if you recall...one of the last times the Cardinals ripped up a 2nd round contract and offered millions after two years, they got burned because the player turned out to play far below what the contract was worth. His name was Jake Plummer.

So...in spite of that recent history, Graves and the Bidwills went ahead with Boldin and threw $22.5M at him with $10M guaranteed.

Times have definitely changed in Arizona. The Bidwills and RG deserve credit, not blame.
 

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You don't get it dcr. These complaints only apply if we are talking about Rod Graves. :sarcasm:

You know that if Q said it, it HAS TO BE true. More :sarcasm:

I happen to believe Q and that is just my opinion. Looking at track records Boldin has Graves and the front office beat by a mile and being that I haven't heard anyone with the Cardinals come out and deny anything he has said or at the very least give their "version" of the truth I will continue to believe what Anquan has said.
 

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It was reported that Rosenhaus waited over a month to respond to the Cards' offer, which was made in the time frame that they told Rosenhaus he and Q needed to work inside of...thus frittering away that window of opportunity.

Q and Rosenhaus were told that if a deal couldn't be reached in that window of opportunity, one would not be able to be reached afterward.

Q and Rosenhaus decided to wait...they wanted to see what Fitz was getting and then they wanted a trade.

To blame this on Graves is totally unfair, IMO. He's done more with player contracts since he's been here than any other previous GM. Just because he doesn't cave in to a player's and a greedy agent's demands, doesn't mean he isn't doing his job.

Quite frankly, I think what he did this off-season was a major coup. Fitz could have forced the team's hand and made them pay him $16M this year...to get Fitz signed in light of that was outstanding. Also, as we have seen thus far in free agency, he made the most of acquiring good free agents on a limited budget...and he got every draft pick signed virtually on time (save an extra day or two for DRC, which was ok in my book, all things considered). In addition he worked the phones well enough to persuade some highly coveted UCFAs such as Ali Highsmith to sign here. It's looking like this year's crop of rookies is about as good from top to bottom as we have ever had.

There are also budget constraints...the Bidwills don't own Microsoft...there's only so many millions of guaranteeed money they can throw around each year.

And there are cap ramifications to consider.

Boldin has his own agenda...he wants out of Arizona. That's the problem. He says the Cardinals promised him a contract. Did the Cardinals offer him one? YES. He didn't like it. And his agent took over a month to respond. All part of the agenda. Now Q is trashing the organization...the same organization that sent him a cool $10M up front for a renewed contract after his second year, when they could have made Q play for his 2nd rounder money the next two years.

And...if you recall...one of the last times the Cardinals ripped up a 2nd round contract and offered millions after two years, they got burned because the player turned out to play far below what the contract was worth. His name was Jake Plummer.

So...in spite of that recent history, Graves and the Bidwills went ahead with Boldin and threw $22.5M at him with $10M guaranteed.

Times have definitely changed in Arizona. The Bidwills and RG deserve credit, not blame.



It's not any one person's fault but absolving anybody in this is wrong.

We have this problem because of Fitz' contract, that happened because Graves incorrectly assumed he wouldn't hit his incentives. Anquan then foolishly decided to wait for Fitz to get a new contract before taking care of his own contract, no doubt on bad advice from his agent Rosenhaus.

And now Anquan is again foolishly letting Rosenhaus try to push this situation to either get a trade or a new contract completely forgetting that he had his chance already and opted to wait.

Everyone involved made mistakes. If the Cards had redone Fitz earlier his situation wouldn't have been so bad and we'd have been in a much better position to deal with other players. But what we've learned this offseason is that probably didn't matter because so many of our guys have decided to demand more money that if Fitz' deal was lower I am convinced they'd just have demanded even MORE money.

Seriously it's like Gee said it's as if the entire team had a meeting and said let's all demand more money. It's killing me that they won 8 games and seem to have decided we all want raises.
 

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It's not any one person's fault but absolving anybody in this is wrong.

We have this problem because of Fitz' contract, that happened because Graves incorrectly assumed he wouldn't hit his incentives. Anquan then foolishly decided to wait for Fitz to get a new contract before taking care of his own contract, no doubt on bad advice from his agent Rosenhaus.

And now Anquan is again foolishly letting Rosenhaus try to push this situation to either get a trade or a new contract completely forgetting that he had his chance already and opted to wait.

Everyone involved made mistakes. If the Cards had redone Fitz earlier his situation wouldn't have been so bad and we'd have been in a much better position to deal with other players. But what we've learned this offseason is that probably didn't matter because so many of our guys have decided to demand more money that if Fitz' deal was lower I am convinced they'd just have demanded even MORE money.

Seriously it's like Gee said it's as if the entire team had a meeting and said let's all demand more money. It's killing me that they won 8 games and seem to have decided we all want raises.

You know, Russ, everyone screams at Graves when he doesn't sign the first rounder on time...and yet, to sign Fitz, the #3 pick in his draft, Graves tried to be creative...and yes, it wound up being somewhat of a problem...although the situation was ameliorated when Graves was able to get Fitz to sign the new deal.

It's damned if you do sometimes...and damned if you don't.
 

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