Quick Pre-combine 2 Round Mock Draft

[JGleas]

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I just whipped this up with no explinations and after the Moss trade I just had to . This mock is also assuming LT is traded to Buffalo for Henry with no picks involved which is why I have them picking up Alex Barron at #8, and Charlie Frye in the 2nd Round. Cadillac falls a bit now because Raiders are out of the 1st Round and Cards get their back in Travis Henry.

 

[clif]

sorry bro... there is no way in HELL. I would be ticked if we wasted a high pick on OL

 

[azdad1978]

sorry bro... there is no way in HELL. I would be ticked if we wasted a high pick on OL

So would I. We traded a LT that plays RT then we turn around and we draft a LT to play RT all over again. Thats stupid

 

[JPlay]

I seriously doubt that Alex Barron is the BPA at #8. I think Pac-Man would be our choice here.

 

[TheCardFan]

Alex Barron is pretty much a pure LT...we already have one and the reason why we are trading our other one...LJ. Brown from OK is a RT but I still don't see this happening.

I don't like the way that draft breaks down for us...but based on who's available...we would probaby take Pac Man or Marcus Spears.

Also, I think it is highly unlikely that Benson isn't the first RB taken. HIGHLY unlikely.

You really think that Elton Brown will be picked in the top 13? Are you thinking he will move to tackle? IMO, a pure guard and a stud but late first round at best. Depending on FA...I am hoping Brown and Baas are there at #44 (we don't pick at #40).

IF the Cards targets are gone at #8 and Mike Williams is still there, I would love to see a trade down with SD for there two #1's and take Marcus Spears and maybe Elton Brown/Marlin Jackson.

BTW,I am not a trade down guy...I wanted to stay and take Leftwich(1) or Suggs(1a) a few years back.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

The Browns pick in that mock is interesting....OL Baas from michigan....who I would take a flyer on in round 2.


I think our pick in that mock's second RB (QB Frye from Akron) just might be picked by Cleveland making Baas available.

 

[Renz]

Most reports I've seen have Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers in a virtual dead heat. I can't imagine Rodgers going #1 and Smith going #24.

I'd be pissed if the first 7 picks broke that way! If they do, I would hope we would take Adam Jones or Alex Smith.

 

[Russ Smith]

Alex Barron is pretty much a pure LT...we already have one and the reason why we are trading our other one...LJ. Brown from OK is a RT but I still don't see this happening.

I don't like the way that draft breaks down for us...but based on who's available...we would probaby take Pac Man or Marcus Spears.

Also, I think it is highly unlikely that Benson isn't the first RB taken. HIGHLY unlikely.

You really think that Elton Brown will be picked in the top 13? Are you thinking he will move to tackle? IMO, a pure guard and a stud but late first round at best. Depending on FA...I am hoping Brown and Baas are there at #44 (we don't pick at #40).

IF the Cards targets are gone at #8 and Mike Williams is still there, I would love to see a trade down with SD for there two #1's and take Marcus Spears and maybe Elton Brown/Marlin Jackson.

BTW,I am not a trade down guy...I wanted to stay and take Leftwich(1) or Suggs(1a) a few years back.

Wow we're in agreement on a lot of that. I think Mike Williams is going to San Diego one way or another unless the bears take him. I also really strongly think we may end up taking Spears even though it's a bit high, because the more I think about it the less likely Johnson will be on the board.

Spears had a great Senior Bowl week, I assume he'll grade out well at the combine and personal workouts, and he may be in the top 15 players by draft day. It'd be interesting, taking Spears is almost assuredly a need pick which Green doesn't believe in.

 

[LittleDavis]

I would highly doubt we draft a QB in the second. I almost guarantee we will not draft Barron with the #8. I say Pac Man at #8.

 

[Stout]

Benson will more than likely go first, and NO WAY does Smith fall that far. Not a snowball's chance in a warm place.

 

[JGleas]

So would I. We traded a LT that plays RT then we turn around and we draft a LT to play RT all over again. Thats stupid

He played mostly LT in college, but he can play RT. He is very versatile with his size, speed, athletic ability, and long arms. Alex Smith could happen but im not sure if he would fit into Arizona because he is a system QB and plays 90% of his snaps in the Shotgun. Denny Green will probably keep a close eye on him at the combines. But, Barron would help a lot and with the CB depth in this draft and the depth in FA at CB, go after Lucas, Baxter, Smoot, or one of the other CB's that can at least come in as a #2, and in the 3rd Round, you can possibably get a shot at Travis Daniels out of LSU. But, like I said, Barron would be a great pick-up and could block for Frye and Henry and this offense would be great.

 

[azdad1978]

He played mostly LT in college, but he can play RT.

See this where you really need to do research on the Cardinals before posting. We already have that with Leonard Davis. A LT in college that played Guard and Right Tackle and last year he was finally put in where he belong in the LT spot. Btw if Barron played LT all his college years what makes you think he won't ask for a LT type money? See the paradox here? Next thing you know we are paying a RT, LT money just like we did with LJ Shelton.

 

[JGleas]

See this where you really need to do research on the Cardinals before posting. We already have that with Leonard Davis. A LT in college that played Guard and Right Tackle and last year he was finally put in where he belong in the LT spot. Btw if Barron played LT all his college years what makes you think he won't ask for a LT type money? See the paradox here? Next thing you know we are paying a RT, LT money just like we did with LJ Shelton.

1.Alex Smith won't fit into Arizona's type of offense since I doubt it will be in shotgun more then even 75% of the time or but if they draft him, they will have to play out of the shotgun a lot, or do the 3 WR set all the time with no TE, or no FB.
2.If you get Travis Henry, no need to draft a RB.
3.CB has a lot of depth in FA and the draft. Travis Daniels in 3rd Round, or some CB in FA that can come in as #2 or even #1.
and finally
4.With those first 3 comments, why not get someone to play RT because he can play it with Alex Barron to play alongside Leonard Davis. Ask any other draft expert and they will agree Barron will be able to play RT just as well as he played LT.

 

[Russ Smith]

1.Alex Smith won't fit into Arizona's type of offense since I doubt it will be in shotgun more then even 75% of the time or but if they draft him, they will have to play out of the shotgun a lot, or do the 3 WR set all the time with no TE, or no FB.
2.If you get Travis Henry, no need to draft a RB.
3.CB has a lot of depth in FA and the draft. Travis Daniels in 3rd Round, or some CB in FA that can come in as #2 or even #1.
and finally
4.With those first 3 comments, why not get someone to play RT because he can play it with Alex Barron to play alongside Leonard Davis. Ask any other draft expert and they will agree Barron will be able to play RT just as well as he played LT.

Just because Smith played shotgun in college doesn't mean he won't play behind C in the NFL. Plus I think we're expecting that Step will be able to snap to the shotgun this year, if he still can't I think he won't be starting.

Sure Barron can play RT, the point is that if he's picked 8th he's getting DeAngelo Hall money, big bonus, big guarantee, and he'll be an overpaid RT, which is precisely why we're trading Shelton.

 

[azdad1978]

because he can play it with Alex Barron to play alongside Leonard Davis. Ask any other draft expert and they will agree Barron will be able to play RT just as well as he played LT.

Here's a good question for you. Will Barron ask for a LT money since he is a LT or will he ask for a RT money since were going to move him in the right side. No agent will settle for a RT money since there is a big difference in contracts.

 

[Pariah]

Barron would be an "eh, okay" pick for me.


But Charlie Frye, now that's something to get excited about!


Oh, YEAH!

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=47803

 

[Pariah]

Guys, don't get so freaked about a mock draft. Also, doesn't anyone realize what shambles the right side of our OL is in? Not to mention if we can get Barron to play to 90% of his potential at RT, we've done pretty well for ourselves.

 

[jefftheshark]

AZDad1978:

I think anyone picked at #8 is going to be slotted at last years number 8 pick + some %. Unless this pick goes as a QB, we should be able to predict this contract fairly accurately.

Russ - We still have an overpriced RT in Clement. Isn’t Clement’s cap # somewhere around $3M? If this kid’s a better player than Clement, I would think that this would be a good deal.

Last: If the Henry trade happens, a top-flight, run stuffing DT (Williams?) is added prior to the draft along with the CB situation (Lucas? Surtain?) being resolved in FA, then I could see Barron. Especially if Johnson is off the board. No matter what anyone says, DG is probably going to be interested in the top rated O-Lineman in the draft.

With a great crop of QB’s being ignored the last two years, I don’t see reaching for Alex Smith. But what do I know, I certainly didn’t foresee Calvin Pace.

(But neither did anyone else here)

The Shark

 

[Russ Smith]

AZDad1978:

I think anyone picked at #8 is going to be slotted at last years number 8 pick + some %. Unless this pick goes as a QB, we should be able to predict this contract fairly accurately.

Russ - We still have an overpriced RT in Clement. Isn’t Clement’s cap # somewhere around $3M? If this kid’s a better player than Clement, I would think that this would be a good deal.

Good point, i've already mentally cut Clement but you're right he is the starting RT if we trade Shelton.

I think we can cut AC and sign a comparable player for a 3rd of the cost.

 

[Snakester]

First off I don't think we will draft Barron at #8. I could see us trade down 5 or 10 spots and then maybe take him. At Fla. St. he was flip flopped all the time between LT and RT in probably every game, so he wouldn't have any problem playing either position. Even if we did take him at #8 he would only cost us about 2 million per season which isn't that much money and would be a lot cheaper than bringing in a quality free agent at RT. He would be a solid prospect and a decent draft choice, but according to Denny Greens way of thinking which is drafting best player available and not drafting for need it would seem that there would not be a snowballs chance in a very hot place that we would take Barron at #8.

If we trade for Travis Henry then I see us going defense at #8. Either Derrick Johnson, Pacman Jones or Antrel Rolle should be the pick. Even though I think WR Braylon Edwards or RB Cedric Benson might be rated higher if they were somehow still available, I can't see us taking a WR or RB with our #8 pick because of how strong those positions would already be.

 

[Pariah]

If we trade for Travis Henry then I see us going defense at #8. Either Derrick Johnson, Pacman Jones or Antrel Rolle should be the pick.

I'm convinced this ought to be the way to go regardless of whether or not the trade happens.

 

[Russ Smith]

First off I don't think we will draft Barron at #8. I could see us trade down 5 or 10 spots and then maybe take him. At Fla. St. he was flip flopped all the time between LT and RT in probably every game, so he wouldn't have any problem playing either position. Even if we did take him at #8 he would only cost us about 2 million per season which isn't that much money and would be a lot cheaper than bringing in a quality free agent at RT. He would be a solid prospect and a decent draft choice, but according to Denny Greens way of thinking which is drafting best player available and not drafting for need it would seem that there would not be a snowballs chance in a very hot place that we would take Barron at #8.

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Does anybody know the actual terms of DeAngelo Halls deal last year? Online I find his bonus was supposed to be 12 million, a team record. Roy Williams was the 8th pick 2 years earlier and his bonus was 4 something, Jordan Gross was the 8th pick the next year his was 5.8 something, so it seems a bit farfetched that Hall would have got more than double?

Gross counted under 2 million on the cap as a rookie so I may be overestimating what the 8th pick will actually earn.

 

[Snakester]

I'm convinced this ought to be the way to go regardless of whether or not the trade happens.

I think you will get your wish then. If we have Travis Henry then I really can't see us taking a RB that high. I don't think either one of the top QBs will be there and I can't see us taking a WR with that pick either. The only other way to go would be if Green and Graves really like a DE and think he would be worth it at #8. Right now I don't see a DE that will go that high, but if someone has a great combine and shoots up the board then maybe we take them. Either way I think we will go defense if we trade for Henry.

 

[Skkorpion]

I think you will get your wish then. If we have Travis Henry then I really can't see us taking a RB that high. I don't think either one of the top QBs will be there and I can't see us taking a WR with that pick either. The only other way to go would be if Green and Graves really like a DE and think he would be worth it at #8. Right now I don't see a DE that will go that high, but if someone has a great combine and shoots up the board then maybe we take them. Either way I think we will go defense if we trade for Henry.

Agree with half of it. The more I look at it, DE looks to be the way to go unless Denny sees a DT he likes. Only the QBs and RBS look good enough to me to take at the 8 hole unless we dump Clement and then a RT becomes a real possibility.

 

[JPlay]

Our possibilities will be:

Dan Cody
Pac-Man or Rolle
Derrick Johnson

All defensive players and BPAs. I don't think Denny will take OL or TE this high. And I don't think it will be beneficial for us to trade down either.