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Aren't you a Clipper fan now?

can't you read? I said IF the Clippers get Derrick Rose I MIGHT.;)

I understand you as a poster, you can't make an intelligent remark so instead you resort to personal attacks. I'm looking for clarification, in order to continue an interesting discussion.

The pick that you are whining about us selling we never would of had, if BC/JC made the correct move and picked Deng or Iguolda instead of TRADING that said pick for a pick the following year which would become the Rondo pick.

Now follow along. We moved the pick, for cash AND FOR BRIAN GRANT's CONTRACT (which people always leave out) in order to have the money and cap room to sign Banks and Diaw.

brian grant's whopping 1.8 million dollar contract? and they didn't HAVE to do anything. And do you even know anything about how the salary cap works? The pick has NOTHING to do with cap room as far as Banks and Diaw were concerned. Banks was signed with the MLE which isn't effected by draft pick contracts and Diaw was one of our own players which means he had Bird rights and could be signed for as much as we wanted regardless of the cap.

Look, there's no doubt that we should have taken Iggy or Deng and that goes on BC (although judging by how we really disvalue picks, at this point is it so out of this world to believe that was an edict from Sarver as well?), but you know what a good owner does when he sees something went wrong, he FIXES the problems, he doesn't compound it like Sarver did.
 

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The investment group told BC to sign Q-Rich at the expense of not signing Joe Johnson? This is well documented? Where?

you keep bringing this up. NO ONE FORCED SARVER TO LOW-BALL JJ. You keep saying he had to because of the q-Rich deal, but that has ZERO BASIS in reality or fact. You're making it out to be a mutually exclusive scenario.
 

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It's really simple.

Sarver has been selling off assets (draft picks). He views them as liabilities if we sign them because they are 1st rounders and have salaries that he has to pay, but if you sell them first, they are assets. SHAME on you SARVER because you weakened the team gradually since since you took over. And Looking back you have been a *******. Maybe you're rich, but you have mishandled the Suns.

Also the Suns were a strong team when Sarver took over with the ability to get even stronger with players wanting to come here for less money, and wisely using our draft picks. The Suns COULD have been great.

D'antoni ruined that by signing vets cheap and letting them rot on the bench and Becoming GM (sounded good to Sarver, he thinks it saved money but we couldn't sign who we wanted, lowballed Tim Thomas, overpaid and settled for Marcus Banks, overpaid for Diaw) Hill is the last and the exception.

Sarver got used to thinking this way----cut salary by signing guys who will take a cut just to be here and sell picks, D'antoni wont play rookies anyway so....now we have the result of sign cheap and sell picks. No young guys developing and no picks upcoming. Atlanta's pick at 15 and then what...)

D'antoni and Sarver screwed us up, not Jerry or Bryan Colangelo.
 

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It's really simple.

Sarver has been selling off assets (draft picks). He views them as liabilities if we sign them because they are 1st rounders and have salaries that he has to pay, but if you sell them first, they are assets. SHAME on you SARVER because you weakened the team gradually since since you took over. And Looking back you have been a *******. Maybe you're rich, but you have mishandled the Suns.

Also the Suns were a strong team when Sarver took over with the ability to get even stronger with players wanting to come here for less money, and wisely using our draft picks. The Suns COULD have been great.

D'antoni ruined that by signing vets cheap and letting them rot on the bench and Becoming GM (sounded good to Sarver, he thinks it saved money but we couldn't sign who we wanted, lowballed Tim Thomas, overpaid and settled for Marcus Banks, overpaid for Diaw) Hill is the last and the exception.

Sarver got used to thinking this way----cut salary by signing guys who will take a cut just to be here and sell picks, D'antoni wont play rookies anyway so....now we have the result of sign cheap and sell picks. No young guys developing and no picks upcoming. Atlanta's pick at 15 and then what...)

D'antoni and Sarver screwed us up, not Jerry or Bryan Colangelo.

Actually, DA was the main source of all this. He wouldn't play a deeper bench, nor develop rookies. That alone explains all the other money saving moves we gripe about Sarver. And as you put it, his way of handling the bench ruined Suns good reputation for FAs.
 

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Aren't you a Clipper fan now?

I understand you as a poster, you can't make an intelligent remark so instead you resort to personal attacks. I'm looking for clarification, in order to continue an interesting discussion.

The pick that you are whining about us selling we never would of had, if BC/JC made the correct move and picked Deng or Iguolda instead of TRADING that said pick for a pick the following year which would become the Rondo pick.

Now follow along. We moved the pick, for cash AND FOR BRIAN GRANT's CONTRACT (which people always leave out) in order to have the money and cap room to sign Banks and Diaw.



I like how you conviently ignore the fact that for 3 years BC/JC contniued to run the Suns even though Sarver owned the Suns.

Of course the team wasn't in bad shape when he bought it. Bryan Colangelo also got GM of the year for signing Q-Rich, giving away Luo Deng, and failing to resign Joe Johnson. What? Hindight is OK when bashing Sarver but it's not OK when defending him?



So the investment group told BC to trade away Luo Deng for a pick in the following draft? The investment group told BC to sign Q-Rich at the expense of not signing Joe Johnson? This is well documented? Where?



Sure, if you ignore the mistakes of his Son and while he was President of basketball operations.


This sounds like the company line straight from the mouth of Robert Sarver.

First off, many Sarver detractors, including me, have called out Brian for years. He was responsible for the Iggy blunder, the Q Rich signing, giving away 2 picks in the Googs trade, giving away another in the Jahidi White trade, and not resigning McDyess. All terrible moves, all making him the worst executive of year in recent memory.

That, however, is where it ends.

JC and BC were adamant about resigning Joe Johnson, and more importantly, not holding out over a mere 5 million over 6 years. There was nothing to gain by having a hard line stance over that amount, and everything to lose. This is not about looking at the scenario from Robert's perspective with regards to the money he spent on the team. It has nothing to do with signing Q Rich. They are mutually exclusive. It's about risk management. He risked Joe having a big year and getting a max contract offer so he could save 5 million (less than a million a year). That was a rookie mistake. It was a cheap mistake. He didn't take advice from a much more experienced basketball man, and it backfired. That one was ALL on Robert.

As for the pick they got from Chicago, you have your facts mistaken. That pick was used in the Kurt Thomas trade. That was the Nate Robinson pick. The Rajon Rondo pick was one of the picks we got from the Joe Johnson trade, one the Brian SALVAGED from Robert not resigning Joe Johnson. It was given away for a future pick, which was sold for cash, and Brian Grant, who made $800,000 more than a minimum wage player. How exactly was that a mess created by Brian?

As for everything else, it's entirely on Robert. Selling picks for cash, signing Banks, giving away Kurt Thomas, James Jones and 3 picks for luxury tax savings, etc ... were done after Brian left and with JC on the outs.

In addition, Brian gave away picks to make the team financially attractive for Robert, and it was coming off a lottery year. Robert gave away picks, (one completely unprotected) gave away important role players, and sold picks for cash while owning the most exciting and profitable team in the league. One handed to him from the C’s. Instead of improving them to get them over the top, he looked out for his investors, as you so adamantly mentioned and defended. He does not care about winning. He cares about the bottom line.

I don't know who among his cronies you've been listening too, but calling this a mess created by the C's is the most ridiculous theory I've ever read on this board.
 

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Eric,
Can anyone explain to me why Eddie Johnson would be good but Vinnie Del Negro would be bad? I can't fathom how anyone on this board could have a basis for preferring one over the other.

(I'm against both of them, to be clear.)

I remember little about Vinnie as a player and with him thats all I have to go on. EJ I've listened to talk basketball for three years or so and I find him very well versed on the subject - on a par with anyone I've ever heard broadcasting. He also doesn't seem to have an ego that would get in his way.

On the other hand if he wanted to be a basketball coach he'd be doing that instead of broadcasting - learning the trade, if you will. So I wouldn't be pulling for the team to install him as HC but its an easy decision for me to prefer him to Vinnie d'.

Pulling a name out the hat, I come up with another Eddie - Eddie Jordan. I remember hearing good things about him when he was an assistant (with the Nets?) but I realize he didn't set the world on fire as a HC, since he's looking for a job. What I do remember about him as a HC, is that he comported himself well on the sidelines and I always like coaches that don't indulge in antics during games. Been a long time since we've had one that even did that much right.

Probably, the best coach for the team is some assistant somewhere that we know virtually nothing about and have no avenues to find out more. Sheesh, a guy has to coach the Suns for months before I feel like I have any read on him. Heck, look at d'Antoni - over four years we've been watching every move and there's nothing like a unanimous opinion regarding him. I was his first critic on here and one of the most severe but, you know, if I were picking a guy to run the USA Olympic squad I'd go with him - thats a game he can coach.
 

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Except over three and one-half decades of a good record during the season and dismissal in the playoffs.

With Guard oriented coaching staffs led by Westphal, Ainge, Johnson, Skiles, D'Antoni.

Small Ball flows downhill. :sad:

There are of ton of teams that would take the success the Suns have had in the regular season though. We have higher expectations because of our regular season success (as we should).

Just remember one man's garbage is another mans treasure.
 
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There are of ton of teams that would take the success the Suns have had in the regular season though. We have higher expectations because of our regular season success (as we should).

Just remember one man's garbage is another mans treasure.

Yes, it's just the natural progression of expectations. If anything the pressure is a good thing for us fans, it assures that for Sarver to cash in like he wants, he has to deliver something greater than a lot of regular season wins and WCF. At least I think so, could be wayyyy wrong.
 

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There are of ton of teams that would take the success the Suns have had in the regular season though. We have higher expectations because of our regular season success (as we should).

Just remember one man's garbage is another mans treasure.

I remembered something while reading this post. Back at the Heat Boards, I think it's about winning that one championship, then falling so low two seasons after. They're saying that they will take that trophy any day, than be contenders every season, like the suns, and won't be even in the Finals.

Nothing, just talking non-sense.. :D
 
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FWIW Stien on NBA tonight said look for Vinny Del Negro as possible replacement.
 

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I have a better idea - lets dump Kerr, move Vinnie d' into the GM slot and let him hire a real coach.
 
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