Radio Guys throwing Around Vinny Del Negro

[Bufalay]

Why can't it be Avery?



...Dallas wants our coach, why can't we want theirs?

Because he's an actual coach who would require to be paid as such.

 

[Shzm13]

Well, if we even want to remain in competition for the playoffs, we'll need somebody good. If there aren't any good candidates, then id rather just keep da.. :-/

 

[nowagimp]

What mess? JC continually tried to put a winning product on the floor which is more then I can say for half the owners in the NBA.

Sarver is the one that decided to trade away picks for cash. Sarver is the one that decided to start this trend of not signing players (while staying under the cap).

Perhaps we could hire KT as a player/coach, then we could afford to keep him if half his salary was for coaching and not counted against the cap.

 

[Covert Rain]

Perhaps we could hire KT as a player/coach, then we could afford to keep him if half his salary was for coaching and not counted against the cap.

 

[Maligzar]

What mess? JC continually tried to put a winning product on the floor which is more then I can say for half the owners in the NBA.

Sarver is the one that decided to trade away picks for cash. Sarver is the one that decided to start this trend of not signing players (while staying under the cap).

Sarver had to sell those picks because of the position that the Colangelos put him in. You have to go back to the year Bryan won executive of the year. The blunder of a decision to sell the Deng/Iguolda pick, and then signing Q-Rich instead of using that money on Joe Johnson, ended up being a collossal blunder that put the organization in the horrible position that it is today.

You cannot honestly sit there and say Sarver hasn't tried to put a winning team on the floor. Every year that Sarver has owned the team we have made the playoffs. Every year we've been the talk of title contention. JC never brought us a title. He's accomplished nothing more than Sarver, except he has a few more years behind him. Stop giving him a free pass.

 

[Cheesebeef]

man, i really dislike the suns right now. I gotta tell you, if the Clippers somehow get the first pick and get Derrick Rose, I may just try to become a Clipper fan. I mean, no one can seriously accuse me of being a bandwaggoner by choosing to be a fan of a team run by Donald Sterling and they do play in what is essentially my home city now that I've been living here for 8 years and will do so for the rest of my life.

I just don't know if can continue to support a Sarver team until he supports it himself.

 

[Matt L]

It's amazing how Sarver continues to get blamed for cleaning up the Colangelo's mess.

What was the mess? Now I know that Colangelo used a lot of money to make the D-Backs competitive and that probably cost him his position as the CEO of the Diamondbacks but all of those things that he did were in order to be competitive. I can't fault a guy for trying to win.

 

[Covert Rain]

Sarver had to sell those picks because of the position that the Colangelos put him in. You have to go back to the year Bryan won executive of the year. The blunder of a decision to sell the Deng/Iguolda pick, and then signing Q-Rich instead of using that money on Joe Johnson, ended up being a collossal blunder that put the organization in the horrible position that it is today.

You cannot honestly sit there and say Sarver hasn't tried to put a winning team on the floor. Every year that Sarver has owned the team we have made the playoffs. Every year we've been the talk of title contention. JC never brought us a title. He's accomplished nothing more than Sarver, except he has a few more years behind him. Stop giving him a free pass.

So Sarver didn't sign Joe Johnson why? Because it was going to cost him an extra 5 Million. We would not have been over the cap. Sarver was in wallet shock over buying the team and spending money on Steve.

What about the picks he sold? We would not have been over the cap had we used them. We would not have had the bench problems we have. We would not have had to get lucky with players being cut by other teams.

So I beg to differ. JC tried to put a winning product on the floor. Sarver is trying not to screw it up. Bang up job he is doing so far.

 

[Rab]

man, i really dislike the suns right now. I gotta tell you, if the Clippers somehow get the first pick and get Derrick Rose, I may just try to become a Clipper fan. I mean, no one can seriously accuse me of being a bandwaggoner by choosing to be a fan of a team run by Donald Sterling and they do play in what is essentially my home city now that I've been living here for 8 years and will do so for the rest of my life.

I just don't know if can continue to support a Sarver team until he supports it himself.

You'll always support it. You might not like it, but you'll support it.

 

[Mainstreet]

What was the mess? Now I know that Colangelo used a lot of money to make the D-Backs competitive and that probably cost him his position as the CEO of the Diamondbacks but all of those things that he did were in order to be competitive. I can't fault a guy for trying to win.

JC would have bought the Suns a Championship as well but the new CBA rules prevented him. Sure the C's made mistakes but they always recovered from them and, IMO, there was never any doubt they were focused on winning a Championship. The question is can Sarver and Kerr recover from their mistakes and remain seriously focused on a Championship. The Suns team was like a family business to the C's and they took pride in how they run it. I'm not so sure about Sarver and Kerr.

 

[Djaughe]

Radio Guys throwing Around Vinny Del Negro

Please tell me these radio guys we're giggling...or trying to be funny...

 

[Maligzar]

So Sarver didn't sign Joe Johnson why? Because it was going to cost him an extra 5 Million. We would not have been over the cap. Sarver was in wallet shock over buying the team and spending money on Steve.

It's easy for you to spend other people's money. I understand that.

What maybe you don't understand, or appreciate, is that it's not just Sarver's money. He's the primary investor, the head of a group of people who own the Suns. He has a responsibility to those investors, to run a profitable organization.

For a moment, consider you are Sarver. You buy this team for a record 401 million dollars, that's the most paid for a sports franchise EVER. You then are told that in order to compete, you need to take a risk and sign Nash; commiting 50 million. You're also convinced to sign Q-Rich, another 40 million. On top of all this you are told that by the following summer you're going to need to sign Amare Stoudemire to a new contract, somewhere in the 70 million range. So he's also approached about JJ, and the contract they want to give him is Q-Rich money. Sarver questions this, and they (BC and JC) are unable to convince Sarver of his worth.

So yes, given the circumstances, I blame BC and JC for signing Q-Rich. Instead of passing on Q-Rich, drafting Iguaolda, and signing JJ to a 45 million dollar deal.

What about the picks he sold? We would not have been over the cap had we used them. We would not have had the bench problems we have. We would not have had to get lucky with players being cut by other teams.

This is more Mike's fault than Sarvers. Poor decisions with regards to Diaw and Banks ended up strapping the Suns for cash. Of course had the Colangelos not screwed things up to begin with netiehr Banks, nor Diaw would have ever been in the picture.

You can't blame Sarver for wanting to be fiscally responsible. The blame lies at the feet of our last 2 GMS. Mike D'Antoni and Bryan Colangelo. I'll even say that Kerr made a mistake with moving KT so early, but hindsight is 20/20 and there is no saying that teams would have been willing to take KT off our hands late in the season.

Teams that are over the cap generally don't win Championships. Just ask Dallas and New York.

 

[Ryanwb]

You buy this team for a record 401 million dollars, that's the most paid for a sports franchise EVER.

Do you mean NBA franchise? Beacuse....

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-572415.html

 

[Evil Ash]

i'd stop watching the suns.

and everyone knows why DA hasn't been fired yet, right? 8.5 million reasons. They're going to strong arm him into quitting because they don't want to bite the bullet.

I'm not sure if the NBA is like the NFL in this way but in the NFL if a coach is fired and hired by another team then the team that fired him owes him nothing.

Considering that teams are already lining up to sign DA, I don't think he'll have trouble finding a job.

... and no thanks to Del Negro.

 

[Rab]

Del Negro....no freakin way. Please no.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Poor decisions with regards to Diaw and Banks ended up strapping the Suns for cash.

we sold picks before we ever signed these guys.

 

[Maligzar]

we sold picks before we ever signed these guys.

Which picks? If you're going to snipe try and be specific. We've sold picks both before and after we signed these guys so I'm not really sure what your point is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Which picks? If you're going to snipe try and be specific. We've sold picks both before and after we signed these guys so I'm not really sure what your point is.

the picks we sold at the draft the same offseason we signed Banks and Diaw. Sorry, didn't mean I had to literally spell it out for you. I assumed you had enough intelligence to understand what I was talking about.

and my point is this - you were responding to someone who question why we sold picks and you're answer was because DA put us in a financial bind with the Diaw and Banks signings. Thus I questioned why we were selling picks before we even signed those guys? Get it Sarver?

 

[nowagimp]

Teams that are over the cap generally don't win Championships. Just ask Dallas and New York.

The celtic and lakers are also over the cap I believe, and they have won a few, correct?

 

[Covert Rain]

the picks we sold at the draft the same offseason we signed Banks and Diaw. Sorry, didn't mean I had to literally spell it out for you. I assumed you had enough intelligence to understand what I was talking about.

and my point is this - you were responding to someone who question why we sold picks and you're answer was because DA put us in a financial bind with the Diaw and Banks signings. Thus I questioned why we were selling picks before we even signed those guys? Get it Sarver?

I couldn't have said that better.

Also, the team was in a good place from both a profit perspective and salary perspective when Sarver and his investment group purchased the team. Jerry had to meet the requirements set forth by the investment group for the sale to even take place. So from Sarver's standpoint the team was in great shape when he took it. So the team wasn't a mess in Sarver's eyes when it was bought.

Sarver isn't making good basketball decisions. He is making financial decisions with selling off picks regardless if it's healthy for the franchise. That policy didn't start until he took over the team. The picks that were sold before the sell of the franchise were at the direction of the investment group on keeping costs down until the sale was complete. That was well documented in the media.

There was no mess to clean up from Jerry.

 

[wsupkid]

So Sarver didn't sign Joe Johnson why? Because it was going to cost him an extra 5 Million. We would not have been over the cap. Sarver was in wallet shock over buying the team and spending money on Steve.

What about the picks he sold? We would not have been over the cap had we used them. We would not have had the bench problems we have. We would not have had to get lucky with players being cut by other teams.

So I beg to differ. JC tried to put a winning product on the floor. Sarver is trying not to screw it up. Bang up job he is doing so far.

I can agree with most of what you say. One thing is that JC is more pc about the way he does things.
Dont count Sarver out just yet. As far as he has shown is he is willing to spend money. Let him figure out the bugs to become better. Baybe thats what Kerr is for.

 

[BC867]

There was no mess to clean up from Jerry.

Except over three and one-half decades of a good record during the season and dismissal in the playoffs.

With Guard oriented coaching staffs led by Westphal, Ainge, Johnson, Skiles, D'Antoni.

Small Ball flows downhill.

 

[Rockstar]

wsupkid you may want to change your signature...

 

[Maligzar]

the picks we sold at the draft the same offseason we signed Banks and Diaw. Sorry, didn't mean I had to literally spell it out for you. I assumed you had enough intelligence to understand what I was talking about.

and my point is this - you were responding to someone who question why we sold picks and you're answer was because DA put us in a financial bind with the Diaw and Banks signings. Thus I questioned why we were selling picks before we even signed those guys? Get it Sarver?

Aren't you a Clipper fan now?

I understand you as a poster, you can't make an intelligent remark so instead you resort to personal attacks. I'm looking for clarification, in order to continue an interesting discussion.

The pick that you are whining about us selling we never would of had, if BC/JC made the correct move and picked Deng or Iguolda instead of TRADING that said pick for a pick the following year which would become the Rondo pick.

Now follow along. We moved the pick, for cash AND FOR BRIAN GRANT's CONTRACT (which people always leave out) in order to have the money and cap room to sign Banks and Diaw.

Also, the team was in a good place from both a profit perspective and salary perspective when Sarver and his investment group purchased the team. Jerry had to meet the requirements set forth by the investment group for the sale to even take place. So from Sarver's standpoint the team was in great shape when he took it. So the team wasn't a mess in Sarver's eyes when it was bought.

I like how you conviently ignore the fact that for 3 years BC/JC contniued to run the Suns even though Sarver owned the Suns.

Of course the team wasn't in bad shape when he bought it. Bryan Colangelo also got GM of the year for signing Q-Rich, giving away Luo Deng, and failing to resign Joe Johnson. What? Hindight is OK when bashing Sarver but it's not OK when defending him?

Sarver isn't making good basketball decisions. He is making financial decisions with selling off picks regardless if it's healthy for the franchise. That policy didn't start until he took over the team. The picks that were sold before the sell of the franchise were at the direction of the investment group on keeping costs down until the sale was complete. That was well documented in the media.

So the investment group told BC to trade away Luo Deng for a pick in the following draft? The investment group told BC to sign Q-Rich at the expense of not signing Joe Johnson? This is well documented? Where?

There was no mess to clean up from Jerry.

Sure, if you ignore the mistakes of his Son and while he was President of basketball operations.

 

[dodie53]

oliver miller for head coach!

he and shaq will get along!