Re-sign Haason Reddick

[Goldfield]

I love the idea of Reddicks speed out there with a second year Simmons.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Riddick is not worth the 15 mil f-tag, at least not to me. I think they could get him to re-sign for a much lower salary. 3 years 35 mil with a 20 mil guarantee. That is his top value IMO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

poop.

Actually they decided for 2020 that teams could use both tags, for that one year only. I think that meant last year though, not this upcoming.

 

[GatorAZ]

Nope let him walk.

I said this last week. Let’s see how he finishes.

 

[kerouac9]

No.

I had forgotten about that. In that case, the transition tag is best applied to him. If Peterson signs a large deal somewhere else he would at least count towards our comp pick formula.

I do believe that is overpaying for Golden. I think I would cap his offer at 5 mil.

Maybe, but not by much. I think that Golden deserves more credit for Reddick’s sudden emergence than most are willing to credit. I don’t believe that either can be a dominant pass rusher on their own, but Golden is a better two-way player l.

 

[speedy]

He’s a homegrown dude. I think a fair market/3 yr offer is in order.

it’s not a Keim thing, but an organizational deal IMO.

he’s earned it, and he has been a good dude.

As quick as we all want to cut Zane to send a message, we should be quicker to reward a guy like haason to send a Message.

haason isn’t a top 5 at the position, but he’s top 15. The org should make him a top 10-15 offer...

 

[Jetstream Green]

Maybe, but not by much. I think that Golden deserves more credit for Reddick’s sudden emergence than most are willing to credit. I don’t believe that either can be a dominant pass rusher on their own, but Golden is a better two-way player l.

I know it can be overblown but Golden also adds a better leadership/energy factor too

 

[Krusher kardinals]

If I were GM, he’d be my priority 1.

He was drafted here, homegrown, and he has stepped up.

professional teams keep guys just like this.

I like reddick
He is a cool guy, and tried hard and cares
Id like to see more consistency from him.
I was the guy screaming they should have drafted t j watts with the 13 th pick in 2017. i even called keim to tell him, but he never got on the phone.
I knew they were going to take reddick ..especially with BA temple connection..
I also knew they were going to take logan thomas because of BA va tech connection..
Isnt it interesting what a very good tight end thomas developed into. I remember when he dressed like colin kapernick for Halloween.
I hope hassan builds off of this game

 

[BritCard]

Tag him. If he does it 2 years in a row you can do a long term deal but $15-$20 million for a guy who’s produced for one year is a gamble you shouldn’t take. Yes, the team is to blame for how they brought him along but they can’t double down on their foolishness by giving him a huge extension.

I don't want to pay him $15m on the tag either in a down cap year.

That would be $20m on CJ. $15m on Reddick. $8m on Kennard ($4m dead cap if you cut him). If you do cut Kennard you have to pay Golden $5-6m. Even without Golden and a 1st or 2nd round rookie. That's about $45m tied up in outside linebackers with a $175m cap. No way we can do that.

Gardeck if UFA too right? Probably got to pay him a couple mil a year at least just for his ST skills.

 

[BritCard]

Much depends on how Reddick finishes out these last few games. If the Cards let him walk and he signs a big deal somewhere else, do they still collect a comp pick (because we declined the 5th year option)?

I'd probably put the same three-year, $24 million deal in front of Reddick and Markus Golden and say the first one to sign gets it.

Markus Golden is 30 in March and he's slow now. You want to give him 3 years?

Golden isn't getting more than 1 year and $4-$5m on the open market. He couldn't get more than that on the open market at 28 and he will be 30 soon.

If you offered Golden 3 years and $24m he'd sign it as it was coming off the printer.

 

[Chopper0080]

Maybe, but not by much. I think that Golden deserves more credit for Reddick’s sudden emergence than most are willing to credit. I don’t believe that either can be a dominant pass rusher on their own, but Golden is a better two-way player l.

I agree but in his entire career, Golden has never had a cap hit over 5 mil. I don't see that changing in an off-season where the cap decreases and he likely has under 8 sacks as an OLB.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't want to pay him $15m on the tag either in a down cap year.

That would be $20m on CJ. $15m on Reddick. $8m on Kennard ($4m dead cap if you cut him). If you do cut Kennard you have to pay Golden $5-6m. Even without Golden and a 1st or 2nd round rookie. That's about $45m tied up in outside linebackers with a $175m cap. No way we can do that.

Gardeck if UFA too right? Probably got to pay him a couple mil a year at least just for his ST skills.

You would use the transition tag on Reddick. It pays him 13 mil, let's him test the market for a better deal, and if he finds one, you can either match or let him go. You shouldn't give him a multi year deal after one year of production and you shouldn't let him go if he is not going to help your comp pick formula.

 

[BritCard]

You would use the transition tag on Reddick. It pays him 13 mil, let's him test the market for a better deal, and if he finds one, you can either match or let him go. You shouldn't give him a multi year deal after one year of production and you shouldn't let him go if he is not going to help your comp pick formula.

I don't see anyone getting any kind of tag. We simply don't have the money. Even if we cut Alford we have less than $25m and a massive amount of missing starters and primary backups.

And nobody is paying Reddick anywhere near that in FA for an OLB2 based on one patchy season of production. He'd be lucky to close to $10.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't see anyone getting any kind of tag. We simply don't have the money. Even if we cut Alford we have less than $25m and a massive amount of missing starters and primary backups.

And nobody is paying Reddick anywhere near that in FA for an OLB2 based on one patchy season of production. He'd be lucky to close to $10.

They can make whatever cap space they want. Cutting Pugh saves 7.25 million. Extending Jones / Structuring can save 10k. Alford is 7.5 million.

That doubles the cap space in 3 easy moves

 

[Chopper0080]

They can make whatever cap space they want. Cutting Pugh saves 7.25 million. Extending Jones / Structuring can save 10k. Alford is 7.5 million.

That doubles the cap space in 3 easy moves

I agree the cap concerns are being significantly overblown.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I agree the cap concerns are being significantly overblown.

We are 96 million under cap the next year.

Everything Keim did was 3 years or less outside of Hopkins. I am guessing this is his new model of contracting so he isn't stuck in some long term cap hell.

 

[BritCard]

They can make whatever cap space they want. Cutting Pugh saves 7.25 million. Extending Jones / Structuring can save 10k. Alford is 7.5 million.

That doubles the cap space in 3 easy moves

As I wrote elsewhere, even with cutting Alford we have $24.5m cap space. $19.5m when you remove the rookie draft pool.

So you cut Pugh, take on $4m in dead cap and save $7.25. You now have to replace him. Garcia is gone. In fact the only interior guy we have free is Gaillard. So you have to bring a new guy in, learn the system, break the cohesion of the line to what? Save a mil or two net?

Yes, we can extend Jones and back load the deal, maybe get $10m more, but he's the only guy we can do this with and we have about 12-15 starters/primary rotation pieces to replace and $29.5m. You think they gonna give half that to one player?

 

[BritCard]

We are 96 million under cap the next year.

Everything Keim did was 3 years or less outside of Hopkins. I am guessing this is his new model of contracting so he isn't stuck in some long term cap hell.

$96m? Our 2021 cap is already $156m and it's projected to be $175m max.

 

[cardpa]

The team will have 32 players under contract going into the 2021 season. Mentionable UFAs include Fitzgerald, Peterson, Gonzalez, Lee, Reddick, Campbell, Golden, Peters, and Drake all of them starters so you have to fill 9 starting positions. You could even include Kirkpatrick and Sweezy since they are or have been starters too so that is 11 starters. Blackson, Daniels, and Banjo are rotational players so there are three more spots to fill.

The team can tender Arnold, Fitts, Sherfield, and Gardeck as well as Turner as they are RFAs.

By the numbers:

2021 Cap Totals
CAP TYPE
2021 NFL Salary Cap $175,000,000
2020 Rollover Cap $2,575,562
Adjustment $0
Adjusted Salary Cap $177,575,562

BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS OPTION BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUC. BONUS INCENTIVES CAP TOTAL
All Contracts $98,820,650 $35,182,936 $7,366,240 $4,025,000 $131,250 $5,863,334 $150,000 $154,539,410
Top 51 Contracts $98,820,650 $35,182,936 $7,366,240 $4,025,000 $131,250 $5,863,334 $150,000 $154,539,410

Dead Money - $638,222 - - - - - $638,222


Cap Space (w/All) $22,397,930
Cap Space (w/Top 51) $22,397,930

Source of numbers
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/cap/2021/

Here's an interesting tidbit, the team has 12 players listed as linebackers for a total 2020 cap hit of $51,690,549.00 which is #1 in the NFL for positional spending.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/positional/

Money spent on the defensive line ranks #32 in the NFL.

We say the team needs to invest more into the defense, but as a percent of cap the defense is 48.23% of the cap and ranks #8 in terms of money spent on defensive players in 2020.

Everyone is talking about throwing money at Reddick and how to keep Golden. What about Peterson and Fitzgerald? Is Fitzgerald going to get his normal $10-11 million? They never blinked an eye at it before. Is 2021 the year they tell Fitz no more? What do they do with Peterson? Do they let him walk? Do they offer Fitz and Peterson half of what they were making? Peterson i snot top 5 anymore but he is certainly top 15-20 so how do you fill that hole. If you let Gonzalez and Lee walk, those are two positions you need to fill with quality players or your team will suffer for it. These two contracts presently suck up close to $6 million.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

$96m? Our 2021 cap is already $156m and it's projected to be $175m max.

2022 is the year after next

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Everyone is talking about throwing money at Reddick and how to keep Golden. What about Peterson and Fitzgerald? Is Fitzgerald going to get his normal $10-11 million? They never blinked an eye at it before. Is 2021 the year they tell Fitz no more? What do they do with Peterson? Do they let him walk? Do they offer Fitz and Peterson half of what they were making? Peterson i snot top 5 anymore but he is certainly top 15-20 so how do you fill that hole. If you let Gonzalez and Lee walk, those are two positions you need to fill with quality players or your team will suffer for it. These two contracts presently suck up close to $6 million.

If they can convince both to take half, I'd sign it in a heartbeat. They have to hope that Fitz will take a big discount, (he has given some discounts, but not recently) or retire. It would be catastrophic for the franchise if he were to play for another team.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals/

 

[Jetstream Green]

If they can convince both to take half, I'd sign it in a heartbeat. They have to hope that Fitz will take a big discount, (he has given some discounts, but not recently) or retire. It would be catastrophic for the franchise if he were to play for another team.

It would not be catastrophic for him to play for another franchise in his waning years. Nobody looks at Jerry Rice and says he's a Raider and nobody looks at Emmitt Smith as a Cardinal... though I do have a Emmitt Smith Cardinal jersey to tick off Cowboy fans down here in Texas

 

[BritCard]

2022 is the year after next

Sorry, you said next year

 

[Cheesebeef]

If they can convince both to take half, I'd sign it in a heartbeat. They have to hope that Fitz will take a big discount, (he has given some discounts, but not recently) or retire. It would be catastrophic for the franchise if he were to play for another team.

No one would care if the team was winning in his absence next year.