Reality

[Chris_Sanders]

Here is the reality above all the wailing and gnashing of teeth:

The DBacks are second to last in attendance. There were times last year I couldn't give tickets away.

And then there were times when I would give them away and people just didn't go.

This is a bandwagon city and the status quo of developing the young prospects just doesn't fly here. It is LA Light. You need to make some sort of a splash to get people interested.

Was this the right move? Not sure. (Getting rid of Skaggs absolutely was the right move but I am pretty meh on the return.)

But now people are talking DBacks in the city and you will see a spike in fan interest. Hopefully it works out and people will be asking me for tickets instead of me chasing people down.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Chris you also know there are people who will crap on every move the organization makes. I can remember the same gripes made about Joe G and Josh Byrnes that I am hearing about Towers. Reality is, some are never satisfied. KT could have acquired Babe Ruth in his prime for a ham sandwich and people would have still griped.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Chris you also know there are people who will crap on every move the organization makes. I can remember the same gripes made about Joe G and Josh Byrnes that I am hearing about Towers. Reality is, some are never satisfied. KT could have acquired Babe Ruth in his prime for a ham sandwich and people would have still griped.

Hah this is ASFN. People crapped all over the Cardinals off season. It happens. Sadly in Arizona the negative is right more often then not.

 

[Phrazbit]

It would be nice to see someone find a way to defend the move rather than just poo on those that dislike it.

I asked this in another thread: KT spent the last few years thumping his chest about his campaign to make a gritty team that plays solid defense, works the count, does not give away at bats, high OBP... and then he makes this move giving away two premium prospects for a guy that flies against that entire philosophy. A career .299 OPB player who struck out 184 times last year. This guy has a lower OPB and is worse defensively than the guys that so many on this board loved to trash. How does this move make any sense given the way the team is supposedly being constructed?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Here is the reality above all the wailing and gnashing of teeth:

The DBacks are second to last in attendance. There were times last year I couldn't give tickets away.

And then there were times when I would give them away and people just didn't go.

This is a bandwagon city and the status quo of developing the young prospects just doesn't fly here. It is LA Light. You need to make some sort of a splash to get people interested.

Was this the right move? Not sure. (Getting rid of Skaggs absolutely was the right move but I am pretty meh on the return.)

But now people are talking DBacks in the city and you will see a spike in fan interest. Hopefully it works out and people will be asking me for tickets instead of me chasing people down.

Chris - can you name a franchise/city that is patient enough and will continue to draw well, while waiting for young prospects to develop?? Maybe SF... But I can't think of another...
The reality is that every city wants a winner. Heck, even in NY, the Mets have had horrendous attendance records and the Yankees actually saw a decline in attendance in 2013 versus 2012 - oh, they missed the playoffs in 2013...

Anyway, it's reach comedic levels to see people go to amazing lengths to attack KT, even if all he did was wake up and get out of bed.... Hysteria has taken reign with some. Pathetic though it is, it's funny...


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[82CardsGrad]

It would be nice to see someone find a way to defend the move rather than just poo on those that dislike it.

I asked this in another thread: KT spent the last few years thumping his chest about his campaign to make a gritty team that plays solid defense, works the count, does not give away at bats, high OBP... and then he makes this move giving away two premium prospects for a guy that flies against that entire philosophy. A career .299 OPB player who struck out 184 times last year. This guy has a lower OPB and is worse defensively than the guys that so many on this board loved to trash. How does this move make any sense given the way the team is supposedly being constructed?

I'm convinced we need to somehow arrange a meeting between you and Dback leadership. They need to hear your pearls of wisdom and hey, who knows - perhaps you can benefit them somehow!!


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[Diamondback Jay]

Chris - can you name a franchise/city that is patient enough and will continue to draw well, while waiting for young prospects to develop?? Maybe SF... But I can't think of another...

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St. Louis.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm convinced we need to somehow arrange a meeting between you and Dback leadership. They need to hear your pearls of wisdom and hey, who knows - perhaps you can benefit them somehow!!


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Well, at least I could get an answer from them as to why we "needed" Trumbo so desperately, when we spent the last few years "needing" to get rid of that kind of player.

Come on cardsgrad... you don't think thats a slightly legitimate question? Trumbo is the exact opposite of the type of player they claim to want.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You need to make some sort of a splash to get people interested.

Was this the right move? Not sure. (Getting rid of Skaggs absolutely was the right move but I am pretty meh on the return.)

But now people are talking DBacks in the city and you will see a spike in fan interest. Hopefully it works out and people will be asking me for tickets instead of me chasing people down.

Wrong. This is a front running town. You get people interested by winning and winning consistently, not putting together .500 teams and compounding questionable moves by making more questionable moves.

Of course there is a chance that Trumbo ends up more valuable then Eaton/Skaggs, but the complete change in philosophy is a bit troublesome. I just hope we don't splash a ton of money on a Garza at this point.

 

[Lefty]

What direction is this team going? The front office has no plan. Last year they got rid of the big swingers and wanted players who were gritty and win with pitching and small ball. Now they go get a guy who is a free swinger and give up a left-handed pitcher who has a lot of talent and a guy who can't hit home runs but has a knack to get on base. You won't be successful when you are continually trying to stop a leak with a band aid.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wrong. This is a front running town. You get people interested by winning and winning consistently, not putting together .500 teams and compounding questionable moves by making more questionable moves.

Of course there is a chance that Trumbo ends up more valuable then Eaton/Skaggs, but the complete change in philosophy is a bit troublesome. I just hope we don't splash a ton of money on a Garza at this point.

So do you have season tickets?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What direction is this team going? The front office has no plan. Last year they got rid of the big swingers and wanted players who were gritty and win with pitching and small ball. Now they go get a guy who is a free swinger and give up a left-handed pitcher who has a lot of talent and a guy who can't hit home runs but has a knack to get on base. You won't be successful when you are continually trying to stop a leak with a band aid.

The organization is going the direction that the fan base tells them. I can tell you unequivocally that the direction the fans told them last year was that patience, "grit", and playing "the right way" doesn't sell in Phoenix.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well, at least I could get an answer from them as to why we "needed" Trumbo so desperately, when we spent the last few years "needing" to get rid of that kind of player.

Come on cardsgrad... you don't think thats a slightly legitimate question? Trumbo is the exact opposite of the type of player they claim to want.

Those in charge right now did not like Upton. That is why he is gone. It had nothing to do with his production or his talent.

Why is Trumbo here? I believe it is as I said. This town didn't support the team last year, even when they were in first place for half a season.

So it has nothing to do with "winning" or "front running". Goldy is the face of the franchise that they want to market and hope he brings to bring butts in the seats.

To do that they are trying to put a guy behind him that can bring him home any time they walk him with the swing of the bat. Is this the right guy? I have no idea...but that is "the plan"

 

[82CardsGrad]

Well, at least I could get an answer from them as to why we "needed" Trumbo so desperately, when we spent the last few years "needing" to get rid of that kind of player.

Come on cardsgrad... you don't think thats a slightly legitimate question? Trumbo is the exact opposite of the type of player they claim to want.

Trumbo is here because he is one of 13 guys who hit more than 30 HR's last season, and he still relatively cheap and won't be a free agent until 2017.
What he coughed up for him was nothing. Because of your bizzarro hatred toward KT, you assign extra value to players like Skaggs (who flaked to beat out Delgado last season for the #5 slot in our rotation), and Eaton who was brutally terrible and has a broken chicken wing of an arm. Not to mention your inflated, KT-hate driven love for Holmberg...






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[82CardsGrad]

The organization is going the direction that the fan base tells them. I can tell you unequivocally that the direction the fans told them last year was that patience, "grit", and playing "the right way" doesn't sell in Phoenix.

You conveniently didn't answer my question... Jay added St Louis, which makes two cities that would be patient.
You're assigning - falsely, an attribute to Phoenix as if its unique. You're wrong. As is the case with every other city - win and butts will be in the seats. Lose, and the butts disappear... That's all...


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[HoodieBets]

Boston Chicago Cleveland Pitt/Philly...they all have sold out in bad years

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[Chris_Sanders]

You conveniently didn't answer my question... Jay added St Louis, which makes two cities that would be patient.
You're assigning - falsely, an attribute to Phoenix as if its unique. You're wrong. As is the case with every other city - win and butts will be in the seats. Lose, and the butts disappear... That's all...


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Sorry I didn't get it was a question (admittedly I skimmed). Sadly you can't compare those fan bases to Phoenix. It is a transient town with a ton to do besides watch sports.

Like I said, we spent half a season in first and no one showed up. Winning doesn't draw the crowds or we wouldn't have finished 2nd to last in attendance. It is an oversimplification to say otherwise.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Boston Chicago Cleveland Pitt/Philly...they all have sold out in bad years

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Cleveland? Philly?? Pitt?? Hardly... I'll give you the Cubs... But the White Sox? Nope...


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[HoodieBets]

Cleveland? Philly?? Pitt?? Hardly... I'll give you the Cubs... But the White Sox? Nope...


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We are talking sports towns not just baseball but even in baseball the Indians always had great fan support just like the cubs and the red sox and the phillies to a certain extent you can add the reds and orioles to that.

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[82CardsGrad]

We are talking sports towns not just baseball but even in baseball the Indians always had great fan support just like the cubs and the red sox and the phillies to a certain extent you can add the reds and orioles to that.

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Maybe you were talking sports towns, but Chris was talking baseball... My point stands...


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[Phrazbit]

Trumbo is here because he is one of 13 guys who hit more than 30 HR's last season, and he still relatively cheap and won't be a free agent until 2017.
What he coughed up for him was nothing. Because of your bizzarro hatred toward KT, you assign extra value to players like Skaggs (who flaked to beat out Delgado last season for the #5 slot in our rotation), and Eaton who was brutally terrible and has a broken chicken wing of an arm. Not to mention your inflated, KT-hate driven love for Holmberg...






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We gave up "nothing"... when you say that kind of junk its hypocritical to claim anyone else has bias.

Whether you like those players personally or not is irrelevant, they had legitimate value, and they were shipped off for a guy who cant field and cant get on base.

Again, a lot of people here couldnt stand Mark Reynolds, Chris Young... ect. Trumbo is built in their exact mold, only the dbacks are going to have to play him out of position. You rant about Eaton's arm... just wait for Trumbo to lumber around the outfield with all the grace of Adam Dunn.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

So do you have season tickets?

What's the price of tea in China? We were a .500 team last year, and a .500 team the year before. That's the main reason people didn't show up.

Remember when the Suns were successful and entertaining every year? They had a nice little sellout streak going for awhile. Have sustained success, and try to be somewhat entertaining and people will show up.

 

[az240zz]

What direction is this team going? The front office has no plan. Last year they got rid of the big swingers and wanted players who were gritty and win with pitching and small ball. Now they go get a guy who is a free swinger and give up a left-handed pitcher who has a lot of talent and a guy who can't hit home runs but has a knack to get on base. You won't be successful when you are continually trying to stop a leak with a band aid.

Really, I've been trying to do that to my landscaping. You mean it won't work.

 

[PDXChris]

Boston Chicago Cleveland Pitt/Philly...they all have sold out in bad years

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Fenway are the reason Boston sells out during bad years. Even is Chicago only draws well when they are winning now and since they took away most day games. Since their last playoff apperance, their attendance has gone down every year and only drew 32K a game last year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/attend.shtml

Cleveland has averaged less than 50% capacity for 10 years straight.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/

For Pittsburg, other than last year and the first year in PNC, they only drew 66% of capicity.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PIT/attend.shtml

Philly has struggled in non winning years.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PHI/attend.shtml

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Pittsburgh? Not even close. I spent three years there and they couldn't GIVE tickets away.