Redskins "doing genuine due diligence on Rosen"

[TheCardFan]

As Chris Sanders pointed out, David Carr had it worse. He didn't even have a receiver the caliber of Kirk and his offensive line was well.....offensive.

Incorrect. He had a real HC coach (4 years of experience in NFL), better offensive line, and a real OC for the entire year.

We had street free agents and/or rookies at all 5 spots on the OL.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Incorrect. He had a real HC coach (4 years of experience in NFL), better offensive line, and a real OC for the entire year.

We had street free agents and/or rookies at all 5 spots on the OL.

A better offensive line? The Texans gave up more sacks.

Carr also didn't have receivers as good as Fitz, Kirk, and didn't have a RB as good as DJ.

 

[Russ Smith]

Rosen already got butthurt enough to remove every Cardinal pic from his Instagram.

He was hacked (-:

 

[Chris_Sanders]

A better offensive line? The Texans gave up more sacks.

Carr also didn't have receivers as good as Fitz, Kirk, and didn't have a RB as good as DJ.

Krang is right

It's literally 30 more sacks or 166% more than Rosen. Rosen didn't even have the worst oline last year when it comes to pass protection. 7 teams had it worse according to Football Outsiders pressure stats.

Carr was across the board on a much worse team because it was an expansion team. Coaching agreed Rosen had that worse but your article you pointed to that is littered with factual inaccuracies and recency bias. I was able to destroy it with one example off the top of my head.

There were 55 QBs just last year that played. There are at least a 1000 QBs that have played since 1970.

Stop with this worst ever stuff. It's just not factual

 

[dscher]

I read a pretty good write-up awhile back that Washington would straight up trade 15 for Rosen. My mind has been there ever since..

 

[dscher]

"Giants - Need Rosen after trading OBJ. They have 2 #1 picks and can get QBOF (Manning clone) and a defensive player at #6. Lots to be excited about"

TheCardFan, why would Rosen be a qbof for the Giants and not us?

I know this isn't directed at me...but, my take is that shurmur isnt KK. They both have their own styles and ways they want to run an offense. Drew Brees probably isn't Drew Brees without the abilities that Payton has to draw up plays that suite his strengths. This is what I would see for a Murray/KK relationship. Jmo

 

[dscher]

Rosen already got butthurt enough to remove every Cardinal pic from his Instagram.

Agreed. Of course, I'm a Murray homer, but I don't believe in coincidences.

 

[TheCardFan]

We can play that game then.

"It's literally 30 more sacks or 166% more than Rosen. Rosen didn't even have the worst oline last year when it comes to pass protection. 7 teams had it worse according to Football Outsiders pressure stats. False - sacks allowed is not the only measure for OL performance. Penalties, pressures, missed blocks, 2nd and 3rd and long situations/obvious passing downs due to bad play, inability to run the ball, etc. We had rookies and street free agents at all 5 positions. That is an expansion team situation.

Carr was across the board on a much worse team because it was an expansion team. False - no proof in your statement. In fact, they won 1 more game than us.

Coaching agreed Rosen had that worse but your article you pointed to that is littered with factual inaccuracies and recency bias. False - you are merely giving your opinion.

I was able to destroy it with one example off the top of my head. False - You picked the only logical example, haven't proven it, and can't think of another one.

There were 55 QBs just last year that played. There are at least a 1000 QBs that have played since 1970. Yep, so should be really easy for you to find plenty of examples.

Stop with this worst ever stuff. It's just not factual". Prove it.

 

[TheCardFan]

I know this isn't directed at me...but, my take is that shurmur isnt KK. They both have their own styles and ways they want to run an offense. Drew Brees probably isn't Drew Brees without the abilities that Payton has to draw up plays that suite his strengths. This is what I would see for a Murray/KK relationship. Jmo

You are 100% correct. Without KK, we aren't talking about Murray.

 

[overseascardfan]

A better offensive line? The Texans gave up more sacks.

Carr also didn't have receivers as good as Fitz, Kirk, and didn't have a RB as good as DJ.

1. McCoy’s scheme nullified DJ and didn’t suit Kirk’s strengths and Leftwich’s system wasn’t much better.

2. Rosen was sacked less not because our OL was better but because he rushed his throws to avoid them thus his accuracy wasn’t that great and had so many picks.

 

[kerouac9]

Been wondering that too, at what point, if not already, do we cross the line where LeBron and the Lakers did with Anthony Davis where they pissed off the entire team and wound up not getting Davis(yet). In this case if we don't take Murray how much potential damage have we done to the relationship with Rosen, will the team have confidence in him etc.

It's an interesting point. You'd think that someone would have reached out to Josh or his agent and gotten some kind of comment about this. The fact that they're not saying anything publicly speaks to Rosen's professionalism and the quality of his representation.

I think it's 100% certain that Josh shows up to OTAs. He hasn't had a chance to meet the new coaching staff yet. It's unlikely that they ultimately pull the trigger on the trade without at least looking at Rosen to confirm what's on the tape.

 

[Shane]

Agreed. Of course, I'm a Murray homer, but I don't believe in coincidences.

Period? or when it doesn’t fit your narrative?

 

[ARZCardinals]

I read a pretty good write-up awhile back that Washington would straight up trade 15 for Rosen. My mind has been there ever since..

I agree, when it comes down to it...it'll be for the 15th pick and a swap in round 5....they move up and we move down. Deal done

Guessing teams are trying to low ball AZ, but in the end they'll jump up to pick 15 or 17 (Giants) after evaluating the QB's left after Murray....none are on the level of Rosen...add to it Rosen for the next 3 years cost under $2 mill total. 2019 - $550,000 2020- $450,000 and 2021- $650,000 ...that's it for your staring QB.

It'll be for pick 15 or 17.

 

[gimpy]

Different offenses.

So, you're saying it's not the person, but rather the system that determines qbof?

 

[dscher]

You are 100% correct. Without KK, we aren't talking about Murray.

Yep.... And I don't think we can underestimate that connection either. Imo at least. I wouldn't want Kyler Murray with a McCoy/Leftwich combo. No thanks.

 

[dscher]

Period? or when it doesn’t fit your narrative?

Period.

 

[slanidrac16]

David Carr....not Derek.

Oops!

 

[NJCardFan]

If we get less than a 1st round pick for Rosen, if we trade him, then Keim should be immediately fired.

 

[NJCardFan]

I would be shocked if we get a 1st round pick for JR. 2nd or 3rd most likely.......... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/02/washington-floated-as-a-josh-rosen-destination/

Which would mean chalk up another 1st round failure for Keim especially since we could have traded down last year, acquired more picks, and taken Lamar Jackson, who ended up going 32.

 

[Krangodnzr]

We can play that game then.

"It's literally 30 more sacks or 166% more than Rosen. Rosen didn't even have the worst oline last year when it comes to pass protection. 7 teams had it worse according to Football Outsiders pressure stats. False - sacks allowed is not the only measure for OL performance. Penalties, pressures, missed blocks, 2nd and 3rd and long situations/obvious passing downs due to bad play, inability to run the ball, etc. We had rookies and street free agents at all 5 positions. That is an expansion team situation.

Carr was across the board on a much worse team because it was an expansion team. False - no proof in your statement. In fact, they won 1 more game than us.

Coaching agreed Rosen had that worse but your article you pointed to that is littered with factual inaccuracies and recency bias. False - you are merely giving your opinion.

I was able to destroy it with one example off the top of my head. False - You picked the only logical example, haven't proven it, and can't think of another one.

There were 55 QBs just last year that played. There are at least a 1000 QBs that have played since 1970. Yep, so should be really easy for you to find plenty of examples.

Stop with this worst ever stuff. It's just not factual". Prove it.

You are the one claiming he had thr worst situation ever.

Why dont you prove it? If its true, prove it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

1. McCoy’s scheme nullified DJ and didn’t suit Kirk’s strengths and Leftwich’s system wasn’t much better.

2. Rosen was sacked less not because our OL was better but because he rushed his throws to avoid them thus his accuracy wasn’t that great and had so many picks.

He was sacked a lot more. Lower yards per carry for the Texans as well.

It's just not true.

 

[Ronin]

Chris Wesseling@ChrisWesseling · 2m
On today’s @AroundTheNFL Twitter Show, @MikeGarafolo told us the Redskins are “not actively chasing” Josh Rosen. Garafolo just doesn’t sense the interest is serious and hazards a guess that Rosen will NOT be traded before the draft.