Report: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in 2003
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sundevilscott
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Holy Crap I am shocked!! 
Well I guess not at all.
Well I guess not at all.
TJ
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At this rate, it doesn't surprise me anymore when a player tests positive for PEDs. It's getting to a point where baseball is so saturated with "cheaters" that the Hall of Fame voters are going to have to consider that the vast majority of the players who put up great numbers are associated in one way or another with banned substances and put them in anyway. This means that guys like Bonds and Clemens have a better shot than before in getting inducted.
I mean, who is going to get inducted after all of this: Jamie Moyer??
I mean, who is going to get inducted after all of this: Jamie Moyer??
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Gambo and Ash just brought up a good point (yeah, blind squirrel, yada yada)... We ought to start thinking about players we hope are not on the list, or most likely not on the list.
Those I hope are not on the list:
Any starter on the 2001 D-Backs World Series team (already have Matty guilty)
Those who are probably not on the list:
:crickets:
Those I hope are not on the list:
Any starter on the 2001 D-Backs World Series team (already have Matty guilty)
Those who are probably not on the list:
:crickets:
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Just wait until Gonzo's name comes out, it's only a matter of time. Oh wait, I forgot, he turned from a weak gap hitter to a 50 hr guy by diet and exercise.
You forgot "working with Larry Walker"
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Got this from another board. The supposed official "leaked" list.
Look who's at 100, and 37
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
Look who's at 100, and 37
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
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Feels more like a list of who someone thinks was on it. Way too many big names. You would see many more smaller names IMHO.
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The list has been proven to be fake.
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Although the vast majority of the names would surprise nobody.
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Probably is fake, but it's amazing the number of guys on it whose bodies basically broke down, or numbers dropped dramatically post-2003.
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Someone needs to look up Roger Maris' career numbers. Was he juicing too? Guys can have career years, its happened many times. I don't know if Gonzo was juicing or not, and frankly I don't care. If he was and if the entire 2001 team was, it won't make me enjoy that year any less.
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ROTFL, I was just going to find that picture, hilarious. You can't be serious Hoover, you're comparing Gonzo to Roger Maris? Oh yeah, just a total coincidence, I'm sure it was just the vitamins and workout, probably a couple prayers mixed in.
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Gonzo played longer, in part due to modern medicine and conditioning (another reason its silly to compare eras) and thus more data
Maris' HR numbers by year: 14,28, 19, 16,39, 61,33,23, 26,8,13,9,5
Gonzos HR numbers by year: 0, 13, 10, 15, 8, 13, 7, 15, 10, 23, 26, 31, 57,28, 26,17, 24, 15, 15, 8
is that really that different? I think we can all agree Maris wasn't juicing. Now Maris' numbers decline due to injury and playing fewer games, but surely we can agree many players have had one year where in one statistical category they had a far superior year to any of their other years.
Gonzo may have been and he may not have been. But what does it matter? Does it make the memories of 2001 less special if he (and 90% of baseball) was juicing?
You can't compare eras anyway, so people who get all hung up on baseballs 'holy' records are just practicing an exercise in futility anyhow. In Ruths day he played against subpar athletes, only whites, they didn't have todays scouting capability and fewer people were playing the game. From Maris to Aarons day there were many of the same issues, inferior (to todays) athletes, facing the same pitcher 3 or 4 times a game, no Asians or Latinos (or very few), scouting wasn't as good, etc. Each era has pluses and minuses that make it harder or easier to hit (or do any specific athletic skill) in, its part of the changing times.
Just enjoy the games and get over the steroids thing, youll save yourself an ulcer.
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and Pujols didn't make that list? That one would bring MLB to its deserved knees. I find it so hard to believe he isn't doing it.
I am enjoying the timing of the leaks. Problem with lying about the use or denial of using is that it really pisses off the people who get lied to more than the admission. Look at Andy Pettit and Jason Giambi. They didn't lie. The people you lie to feel like fools. If someone did it , admit it.
BTW, doesn't the NBA have a PED test? Stern would be so tarnished.
PS. The Boston Red SawRx.
I am enjoying the timing of the leaks. Problem with lying about the use or denial of using is that it really pisses off the people who get lied to more than the admission. Look at Andy Pettit and Jason Giambi. They didn't lie. The people you lie to feel like fools. If someone did it , admit it.
BTW, doesn't the NBA have a PED test? Stern would be so tarnished.
PS. The Boston Red SawRx.
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There would be many players who would be no suprise, but I think there would be a few players that would be crushing to fans and the game if they tested positive.
Pujols
Schilling
Randy Johnson
Ken Griffey Jr (just because so many people have said there was no way)
Greg Maddux
Ichiro
Pujols
Schilling
Randy Johnson
Ken Griffey Jr (just because so many people have said there was no way)
Greg Maddux
Ichiro
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You should add Derek Jeter and Jim Thome to that list...
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Paul ONeill and Craig Biggio might cause a huge ripple, but it might not. People are getting desensitized.
