Report: Suns Eliminated From LeBron Sweepstakes

[Mainstreet]

Few have made the effort to repeat the same thing over and over.



When others tell me they get my point and I no longer have to beat them over the head with it, especially when they disagree, I'll join you in the cone of silence on said issue.



So you don't actually have "facts" to show Sarver has prevented the team from landing a franchise level talent. You give him no credit for retaining Amare' and Steve, but if he was so hated, why were those two content to stay? The fact is the Suns have not been in a position to sign a max level player outside of retaining those on the team. Why on earth would we expect to hear top level talent saying they want to come to Phx when the Suns weren't in the market nor had the funds to sign one? That is an odd argument.

If Sterling could get top level talent to come play for his team, I cannot believe the same isn't true for Sarver. It looks like they struck out with Lebron which is the first and only top talent I have seen them go after outside of the org. int he time Sarver has owned the team. It's also the only time they've been able to afford it. If this turns into a pattern over the next few years I might be more inclined to listen to this claim, but until then, It's just an assumption based on your dislike of the man. We all want him to succeed, but I fail to understand how fans bickering on endlessly about the man will help in transforming his image? It's gotta start somewhere and as long as the media continues to hear this bickering, they will continue to bad mouth him whether warranted or not.

This is like going for the knockout bunch. Have you been saving this?

 

[Chaplin]

This is like going for the knockout bunch. Have you been saving this?

Um, do you have me on ignore? I mentioned Sterling a page ago!

 

[KloD]

This is like going for the knockout bunch. Have you been saving this?

Ha! No, in fact I think it was mentioned early today or yesterday by someone else here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Few have made the effort to repeat the same thing over and over.



When others tell me they get my point and I no longer have to beat them over the head with it, especially when they disagree, I'll join you in the cone of silence on said issue.



So you don't actually have "facts" to show Sarver has prevented the team from landing a franchise level talent. You give him no credit for retaining Amare' and Steve, but if he was so hated, why were those two content to stay? The fact is the Suns have not been in a position to sign a max level player outside of retaining those on the team. Why on earth would we expect to hear top level talent saying they want to come to Phx when the Suns weren't in the market nor had the funds to sign one? That is an odd argument.

If Sterling could get top level talent to come play for his team, I cannot believe the same isn't true for Sarver. It looks like they struck out with Lebron which is the first and only top talent I have seen them go after outside of the org. int he time Sarver has owned the team. It's also the only time they've been able to afford it. If this turns into a pattern over the next few years I might be more inclined to listen to this claim, but until then, It's just an assumption based on your dislike of the man. We all want him to succeed, but I fail to understand how fans bickering on endlessly about the man will help in transforming his image? It's gotta start somewhere and as long as the media continues to hear this bickering, they will continue to bad mouth him whether warranted or not.

To be fair, Sterling never got top FA talent to play for him. They drafted Blake and the league traded Paul to him. They got Doc, but that was an already loaded team for Doc to go to which made it attractive, despite Sterling's presence.

Reality is the Clippers have pretty much NEVER been in the running for top tier FA and until the last two years, their big time FA almost to a man tried to bolt the second they could.

 

[Chaplin]

To be fair, Sterling never got top FA talent to play for him. They drafted Blake and the league traded Paul to him. They got Doc, but that was an already loaded team for Doc to go to which made it attractive, despite Sterling's presence.

Reality is the Clippers have pretty much NEVER been in the running for top tier FA and until the last two years, their big time FA almost to a man tried to bolt the second they could.

True, but you can't deny that a winning culture (and money) appears to outweigh absolutely awful owners. And I think even the harshest critics of Sarver would agree that Sterling is far worse.

 

[Mainstreet]

Um, do you have me on ignore? I mentioned Sterling a page ago!

Absolutely not. You are one of my favorite posters. I have been doing too much skimming of late. Obviously I missed it. I give you full credit.

However, KloD can really drive a point home.

 

[Chaplin]

Absolutely not. You are one of my favorite posters. I have been doing too much skimming of late. Obviously I missed it. I give you full credit.

However, KloD can really drive a point home.

+1

 

[Cheesebeef]

True, but you can't deny that a winning culture (and money) appears to outweigh absolutely awful owners. And I think even the harshest critics of Sarver would agree that Sterling is far worse.

I don't think anyone's comparing Sarver to Sterling at all. And I agree a winning culture can outweigh absolutely awful owners. I just think the suns haven't cemented that winning culture quite yet. another season like last one and I think we're talked about as legit FA destination Hot Spot. Right now, because of the past, I think we're more of a curiosity.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Absolutely not. You are one of my favorite posters. I have been doing too much skimming of late. Obviously I missed it. I give you full credit.

However, KloD can really drive a point home.

he definitely drove the point home in another thread that he thought JC was pretty underhanded in the Manning/Green signings.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't think anyone's comparing Sarver to Sterling at all. And I agree a winning culture can outweigh absolutely awful owners. I just think the suns haven't cemented that winning culture quite yet. another season like last one and I think we're talked about as legit FA destination Hot Spot. Right now, because of the past, I think we're more of a curiosity.

Definitely a fair point.

 

[Covert Rain]

Few have made the effort to repeat the same thing over and over.

LOL. OK. First off I was on topic. Did I make a laundry list of things I hate about Sarver or was I responding to the topic at hand? So help me understand the forum rules. If someone brings up a topic for 10th time and on the 10 different thread....we are not to repeat our point to respond? OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

So far I have only seen one person get defensive about Sarver. In the grand scheme of things most people engage in conversation and don't get hurt feelings. So forgive me if I don't take this very seriously.

So you don't actually have "facts" to show Sarver has prevented the team from landing a franchise level talent.

LOL. Let me pull 10 years of franchise level players out of my pocket. The facts are we have landed none. That is not disputable and a fact last time I checked. That is what counts. How many have we landed in his 10 years here? I didn't say it was easy and I didn't way there was an abundance. I simply stating a fact that under Sarver, he has yet to bring in his own franchise level player. Period. How is that disputable?

To be fair, Sterling never got top FA talent to play for him. They drafted Blake and the league traded Paul to him. They got Doc, but that was an already loaded team for Doc to go to which made it attractive, despite Sterling's presence.

Reality is the Clippers have pretty much NEVER been in the running for top tier FA and until the last two years, their big time FA almost to a man tried to bolt the second they could.

+1. Someone gets it.

 

[Chaplin]

LOL. Let me pull 10 years of franchise level players out of my pocket. The facts are we have landed none. That is not disputable and a fact last time I checked. That is what counts. How many have we landed in his 10 years here? I didn't say it was easy and I didn't way there was an abundance. I simply stating a fact that under Sarver, he has yet to bring in his own franchise level player. Period. How is that disputable?

You can't fault him if he didn't have the means to bring in a "franchise player". I haven't bought a Maserati in the past 20 years, but that's because I didn't have the money do so. Are you going to call me a Maserati-hater and incompetent car buyer because of it?

 

[Chaplin]

+1. Someone gets it.

So your point is valid only if we ignore the past 2 years. Gotcha.

 

[Covert Rain]

You can't fault him if he didn't have the means to bring in a "franchise player". I haven't bought a Maserati in the past 20 years, but that's because I didn't have the money do so. Are you going to call me a Maserati-hater and incompetent car buyer because of it?

He didn't have the means? That is a bit of a stretch?! How many times over the years did we see JC (good or bad) blow up the team and make some surprising moves? Again...above I did say that I thought it wasn't easy at all. I don't think it's disputable JC reputation versus Sarvers. Do you really think the team would be in the same boat under JC? If you do that is fair. I just don't see it.

Besides I am not calling Sarver a franchise player hater. Only that up to this point after 10 years we don't have much to show under his ownership. I might feel completely different in another 10. Especially, since Mainstreet pointed out he might have just turned the corner. I hope that is true. It's not like I am calling on him to sell the team.

 

[Mulli]

You can't fault him if he didn't have the means to bring in a "franchise player". I haven't bought a Maserati in the past 20 years, but that's because I didn't have the money do so. Are you going to call me a Maserati-hater and incompetent car buyer because of it?

Did you buy the Josh Childress?

 

[Mainstreet]

You can't fault him if he didn't have the means to bring in a "franchise player". I haven't bought a Maserati in the past 20 years, but that's because I didn't have the money do so. Are you going to call me a Maserati-hater and incompetent car buyer because of it?

I'm holding out for a Lexus LFA.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm holding out for a Lexus LFA.

Maserati hater.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maserati hater.

But I was told the Lexus LFA is the best.

 

[SirStefan32]

To be fair, you've made your feelings known... abundantly.

Facts? Please share with us what franchise level players have the Suns tried to sign in the past 10 years? Nash 2x signed. Amare 1x signed. Any others? Up until this summer and the chase of James, they have not been in the market for such a player outside of the organization. They did try to surround those two with good depth and did well with some and not so well with others. Those are facts. But, in order to support your claim, I think you should produce other franchise players the Suns have chased and failed to land other than James.

In all fairness, the Suns had no opportunities to go after a superstar until now due to Sarver's bone-headed decisions (Hedo, Frye, Warrick, Chilli/ hanging on to nash for way too long, etc).
I just don't understand why some people cannot be objective and admit that Sarver has made some BAD mistakes early on in his tenure, but at the same time, he just might not be the actual spawn of Satan.

 

[Covert Rain]

In all fairness, the Suns had no opportunities to go after a superstar until now due to Sarver's bone-headed decisions (Hedo, Frye, Warrick, Chilli/ hanging on to nash for way too long, etc).
I just don't understand why some people cannot be objective and admit that Sarver has made some BAD mistakes early on in his tenure, but at the same time, he just might not be the actual spawn of Satan.

Believe it or not I agree with much of what you said above. I actually don't think he is the spawn of Satan and I also agree that it is very well possible he turned the corner as of late.

Do I think Sarver wants to be a better owner? I think recent actions point to that. I am not convinced he is competent enough to pull it off and I agree with some other posters he might have done some long term reputation damage. However, I guarantee I will give him all the credit in the world if he turns us into a contender again.

 

[SirStefan32]

You can't fault him if he didn't have the means to bring in a "franchise player". I haven't bought a Maserati in the past 20 years, but that's because I didn't have the money do so. Are you going to call me a Maserati-hater and incompetent car buyer because of it?

Well, if you spent the Maserati-type money on Fords, Mazdas, and Kias, like Sarver did. That year of hedo, Frye, Warrick, and Childress was just atrocious. Once he let Amare go (rightly so), he should have let Nash go as well, and rebuild from there. Instead, he "retooled" with those four, which was just beyond terrible.

I forgave Sarver for KT and picks (D'Antoni doesn't like rookies, won't play Thomas, etc) but the summer/ year after Amare was let go still bothers me. He's owned up to it, admitted his mistake, and adjusted his position (let basketball people run the show), but it still bothers me.

 

[SirStefan32]

Believe it or not I agree with much of what you said above. I actually don't think he is the spawn of Satan and I also agree that it is very well possible he turned the corner as of late.

Do I think Sarver wants to be a better owner? I think recent actions point to that. I am not convinced he is competent enough to pull it off and I agree with some other posters he might have done some long term reputation damage. However, I guarantee I will give him all the credit in the world if he turns us into a contender again.

Well, then we agree. I am probably just a year or so ahead in forgiving Sarver for his past mismanagement of the team. That's probably due to me managing people for a living and learning that mistakes are made and that you can't hold past mistakes against people for an extended period of time.

We agree that he's made some terrible mistales that set the team back 5 years, and that he has owned up to his mistakes and turned the corner. I'd say we agree on 95%.

 

[mojorizen7]

I read these boards far more than posting here anymore. Having said that, there sure seems to be a helluva lot more defensiveness on the Suns board compared to the Cards board whenever a fan isn't shining the home teams shoes.

If you feel that someone is beating a dead horse put them on ignore...otherwise deal with it as opinion and be cool about it.

 

[Chaplin]

I read these boards far more than posting here anymore. Having said that, there sure seems to be a helluva lot more defensiveness on the Suns board compared to the Cards board whenever a fan isn't shining the home teams shoes.

If you feel that someone is beating a dead horse put them on ignore...otherwise deal with it as opinion and be cool about it.

What's funny is that on this board there are very few people "shining the home team's shoes". In fact, I think this board is FAR more negative than positive when it comes to the Suns, and always has been. It's a huge difference from the Cardinal board, which is more positive overall.

 

[elindholm]

In fact, I think this board is FAR more negative than positive when it comes to the Suns, and always has been. It's a huge difference from the Cardinal board, which is more positive overall.

How this myth persists is beyond me. Every time I look at the Cardinals forum, it's people being nasty to one another, threatening to jump out of windows, and spewing vile at their team. I'd guess the explanation is that the members of the Cardinals forum have a deep-down trust for each other, so they don't get riled up by the differences of opinion -- whereas here, any disagreement is taken personally.