Report - Veldheer Traded to Denver

[HoodieBets]

Nothing really about 8-8 to be negative about. Backups galore yet still finished middle of the pack. 3-13 is negative

Middle of the pack is worse than being 3-13, we are in quarterback purgatory for the foreseeable future. Not bad enough to draft the best QB not good enough to make the playoffs. We have to hope drafting the 5th best QB out of this class hits as the best and that’s IF we even draft a QB in RD1 which I don’t think we will.


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[Shaggy]

I think this was a dumb move. Overall, cutting/trading JV was a dumb move. He is a decent LT and LTs are a rare commodity and yet they trade him, or were even thinking of cutting him. Makes zero sense to me.

 

[sdscard4]

Middle of the pack is worse than being 3-13, we are in quarterback purgatory for the foreseeable future. Not bad enough to draft the best QB not good enough to make the playoffs. We have to hope drafting the 5th best QB out of this class hits as the best and that’s IF we even draft a QB in RD1 which I don’t think we will.


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You think there is a difference between 1 and 5 in this draft? You value this QB class way to much.Bradford will be a top 10 QB this was the same nonsense we heard when we got Carson

 

[sdscard4]

I think this was a dumb move. Overall, cutting/trading JV was a dumb move. He is a decent LT and LTs are a rare commodity and yet they trade him, or were even thinking of cutting him. Makes zero sense to me.

JV was horrible the past few years. Penalty after penalty sack after sack. Unfortunately he wasn't the same JV we could count on every sunday

 

[NJCardFan]

Middle of the pack is worse than being 3-13, we are in quarterback purgatory for the foreseeable future. Not bad enough to draft the best QB not good enough to make the playoffs. We have to hope drafting the 5th best QB out of this class hits as the best and that’s IF we even draft a QB in RD1 which I don’t think we will.


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This is why it boggles my mind that the same people who cheered our mediocre 8-8 record are now the same people clamoring for us to mortgage our future to move into a draft position we should have been in in the first place.

 

[HoodieBets]

You think there is a difference between 1 and 5 in this draft? You value this QB class way to much.Bradford will be a top 10 QB this was the same nonsense we heard when we got Carson

Woah woah woah. So if I understand you, you think there’s not a big difference between a guy like Rosen and Jackson? I also assume you want to the stay at 15 and draft Jackson since he will be the only QB left? I personally think this is the most overhyped draft class in a long time. I like Rosen but wouldn’t trade up to get him.

BTW there’s a big friggen difference between Darnold/Rosen and Jackson/Randolph.


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[cardpa]

I am going to make some assumptions here and I believe they may hold some weight.

I would hope that new staff looked at game film of every player on the present roster and evaluated each of them as to how they will fit into their new schemes. Maybe Veldheer wasn't a good fit for the new blocking schemes so why not get something for him.

Maybe they saw something on film that told them they could fix DJ Humphries into a solid LT?

Is part of the house cleaning to free up cap for an extension of DJ?

I think they go WR or Oline in round one. Round 2 or 3 sees a QB gets picked only if the long range plan is to not pursue a vet QB next season.

Is there a high quality vet QB coming free next year which would explain why they are stuffing money under the mattress?

And of course there is always the SK plan to pluck discarded vets from training camp cuts.

Viewing this team from the outside it appears to be a ship sailing aimlessly on the open seas with no sail and no rudder and no compass. I think we could all agree pretty much that it's been pretty hard to get a handle on what is going on and what the plan is.

 

[Stout]

You think there is a difference between 1 and 5 in this draft? You value this QB class way to much.Bradford will be a top 10 QB this was the same nonsense we heard when we got Carson

Carson = former good to great QB; Bradford = a never-has-been. There is NO parallel between them. Bradford's going to be a top 10 QB this season? Right, and I'm going to schtup Christina Hendricks this weekend, too.

 

[az jam]

Cards are now $21 Million under the cap. That is too much money to sit on. So who is left to sign????

 

[TJ]

Cards are now $21 Million under the cap. That is too much money to sit on. So who is left to sign????

Jurecki has been intimating that a David Johnson extension could happen this offseason.

 

[Finito]

Veldaheer was a great move by SK he was that anchor we desperately needed and we wouldn't of been contenders without him. I'm glad he was a Cardinal.

Now last year when he was down and struggling at a position he had never played I have never seen such hatred on this board for a player that had been so good to us. It was getting personal at the hate directed towards him. They move him back to LT and his play rises.

Now he's gone and the front office is a joke for letting him go for a 6th round pick.

smh

 

[sdscard4]

Carson = former good to great QB; Bradford = a never-has-been. There is NO parallel between them. Bradford's going to be a top 10 QB this season? Right, and I'm going to schtup Christina Hendricks this weekend, too.

You might want to read up a bit before you start labeling never has been. Both Heisman winners. Carson didn't even play his first season as he was Raw. Bradford was offensive ROTY. Both labeled injury plagued. QBR within 2 points of each other. Carson was 10yrs in when we got him ...Bradford 8. You can not like the signing but to label him a never has been is a stretch.

 

[sdscard4]

You also can see since 2016 that Bradford is the leader and controls the field. He was a top 6 QB that year. Can I see him coming in and this being the second half of his career leading us just like Carson? Of course I could....look how he started 2017 before the injury by dismantling the saints for 4 qtrs. Take the negativity and put it away ....Be positive and look at the good things he brings to the table and root for your team!

 

[POISON]

Woah woah woah. So if I understand you, you think there’s not a big difference between a guy like Rosen and Jackson? I also assume you want to the stay at 15 and draft Jackson since he will be the only QB left? I personally think this is the most overhyped draft class in a long time. I like Rosen but wouldn’t trade up to get him.

BTW there’s a big friggen difference between Darnold/Rosen and Jackson/Randolph.


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The difference is Rudolph is a much more mature, polished quarterback which isn't mistake prone. His td/int ratio is off the charts.

 

[HoodieBets]

The difference is Rudolph is a much more mature, polished quarterback which isn't mistake prone. His td/int ratio is off the charts.

So all 5 teams who need a QB and aren’t looking at Rudolph are wrong? He’s a system QB.


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[POISON]

So all 5 teams who need a QB and aren’t looking at Rudolph are wrong? He’s a system QB.


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He killed it in his pro day and had a really good combine. This "system " qb will go 1st round and likely be the best qb in this class. Just my opinion.

 

[HoodieBets]

He killed it in his pro day and had a really good combine. This "system " qb will go 1st round and likely be the best qb in this class. Just my opinion.

Read this from walterfootball...

3/10/18: Sources said that Rudolph interviewed well at the Senior Bowl and the NFL Scouting Combine, but he is a love/hate prospect in the scouting community. One team source likes Rudolph, but many others are skeptics. A general manager of a playoff team told me they had Rudolph graded on the third day of the 2018 NFL Draft. Another NFC general manager said they thought Rudolph could go on Day 2. An AFC college scouting director of a playoff team said they were giving Rudolph a fifth-round grade. One area scout said that they were really concerned with how Rudolph struggled throwing into tight windows, because he won't have receivers running wide open like they were for him at Oklahoma State. Given the big discrepancy, Rudolph could go in the early rounds of the 2018 NFL Draft, because it only takes one team to fall in love. Many teams don't like him, however, and have his grade low

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#ixzz5AgcSbr00
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#IIQ0pVxmQLboOH37.99


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[AsUpRoDiGy]

He killed it in his pro day and had a really good combine. This "system " qb will go 1st round and likely be the best qb in this class. Just my opinion.

Just like Brandon Weeden? lol

 

[HoodieBets]

Just like Brandon Weeden? lol

Just like every other QB. Manziel just had a faux pro day and went like 39 of 41


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[Stout]

You might want to read up a bit before you start labeling never has been. Both Heisman winners. Carson didn't even play his first season as he was Raw. Bradford was offensive ROTY. Both labeled injury plagued. QBR within 2 points of each other. Carson was 10yrs in when we got him ...Bradford 8. You can not like the signing but to label him a never has been is a stretch.

This isn't even an argument worth having with you. Cherry pick one teensy stat to try to make your comparison. Sure, go ahead. Now realistically go and compare ALL of their careers, and it ain't even close. Bradford had a long history of playing well and leading his one team to tons of wins, right? He wasn't a broken-bodied journeyman? Hmm...

You can whip yourself into a frenzy over Bradford, but I will continue to see the brittle, injury-plagued QB that has never found a home that he really is.

 

[Stout]

Not that he can't be an okay bridge QB, because, let's face it, there weren't any good options out there in FA, and Keim backed us into a corner of having no QBs on the roster. What Bradford CANNOT be is a QB that stops the team from actually addressing the position moving forward. Which is, sickeningly, what it seems like Keim is doing.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

EVERYONE knew we would get rid of veldheer or iupati. So, people get snarky when we actually at least get a pick in return?

The problem is the DIRECTION of the team. Cut Mathieu, sign Bradford, trade Veldeer, wth is the vision of this team? They clearly aren't in win mode now for likely Fitzgerald's last year. smh If all of the moves were cost cutting moves, I'd understand. and yet signing Bradford for 15+ million flies right in the face of that. They are without a doubt worse on paper and the arguably the worst on paper in the division.

This team ALREADY feels like a perpetual 5-6 win team and we haven't even gotten started yet. That's why at least I am snarky.

I get that Veldeer was going to get cut traded so gaining a pick is nicer than not.... but the real question is why. What moves are they going to make that are drastically going to help this team with that cap space and even less depth on one of the shakiest offensive lines in the NFL?

 

[PJ1]

Clear cap space after all of the good players are signed. Ok....

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Clear cap space after all of the good players are signed. Ok....

Exactly!

 

[sdscard4]

This isn't even an argument worth having with you. Cherry pick one teensy stat to try to make your comparison. Sure, go ahead. Now realistically go and compare ALL of their careers, and it ain't even close. Bradford had a long history of playing well and leading his one team to tons of wins, right? He wasn't a broken-bodied journeyman? Hmm...

You can whip yourself into a frenzy over Bradford, but I will continue to see the brittle, injury-plagued QB that has never found a home that he really is.

Just looking at the glass half full. No argument. Just pointing out you give Bradford nothing actually you probably think of him just like Gabbert right? A never has been? Can you honestly say if not for a rash of injuries his first 4 years he wouldn't have been able to lead his team to more victories? I believe he would have. Again half full half empty thing.