Report - Veldheer Traded to Denver

[MrYeahBut]

and thats exactly what McCoy is gonna do with him here. WC offense, lots of five yard slants and crosses...outlets to the RB, etc... Bradfords biggest strengths are his quick release and his short pass accuracy.... I imagine they will try and build an offense around that

Any chance a successful screen pass can be integrated? I think I've been waiting for that longer than a QB.

 

[TruColor]

Any chance a successful screen pass can be integrated? I think I've been waiting for that longer than a QB.

I'd settle for being able to defend one.

 

[NJCardFan]

I'd settle for being able to defend one.

Kind of funny isn't it? We can't run a screen/bubble screen and we can't defend it either.

 

[sdscard4]

In Bradford’s gangbusters season of 2016 he threw for 3700 yards... 5 picks... and 20 TDs... and a 7-8 record. Yeah... his completion percentage was high because he took zero risk... just like he’s done the entirety of his career.

That’s Matt Cassel numbers. In other words, nothing to get excited about.

And just to head off the completion percentage argument, it was high because he took zero risk... just like he’s done the entirety of his career.

You choose not to explain why the record is only average. Is it Bradfords fault they collapsed? I think I know the answer to that. Nothing wrong with taking what the D gives you. Is he gonna play it safe and not turn the ball over with needless biscuit ball antics? Yes he is which is what this team exactly needs

 

[Stout]

Just looking at the glass half full. No argument. Just pointing out you give Bradford nothing actually you probably think of him just like Gabbert right? A never has been? Can you honestly say if not for a rash of injuries his first 4 years he wouldn't have been able to lead his team to more victories? I believe he would have. Again half full half empty thing.

See, this is a fair opinion. Being positive and hopeful over Bradford? I can't do it, but I can dig that others want to do that. Comparing his career to Palmer's was just downright ridiculous, that's all.

I don't see him as bad as Gabbert. And man, am I glad we didn't go with what a bunch of posters wanted the year HE came out--there were plenty clamoring to draft him, and I wanted no part!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

You choose not to explain why the record is only average. Is it Bradfords fault they collapsed? I think I know the answer to that. Nothing wrong with taking what the D gives you. Is he gonna play it safe and not turn the ball over with needless biscuit ball antics? Yes he is which is what this team exactly needs

You still need to take a few down field chances, though, or defenses will stop Johnson, no matter how awesome he is.

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[JeffGollin]

for a 6th we should have kept him

for a 6th we should have kept him

+1

 

[Chopper0080]

I couldn't figure find SDSCard's posts so I could block him. Then I realized he is the only poster I have ever blocked. Reading these quotes, I am not missing much

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[RugbyMuffin]

Got something in return for Veldheer, whom I thought they would just cut outright at some point.

Good move getting something for a guy that was HORRIFIC last year no matter where he played.

He became the offensive version of Tyrann Mathieu, in regards to his salary way over paying for the small, barely acceptable NFL starting talent.

Got 8 picks in the draft, and a 6th rounder will help.

Edit: Keep him ? For what ? To play just as good, or worse than Andre Smith at triple the cost ?

Was last season really so long ago, that we forget how poor the offensive line was ? That was with Veldheer on it...........until he got hurt, again......

The Cardinals get something for a guy they probably shouldn't have gotten anything for, and people complain.

The Cardinals finally realize the window has closed, a year too late, IMHO, and they do what everyone clamored for in the offseaon, and start over......and people complain.

I guess we have hit, the "eveyone on the roster sucks" and "everyone who left the team is great" part of the offseason. <---- Wait! That being said, do people on the board now agree Stanton was a good backup QB, since he is not on the team anymore, and the Browns picked him up ?

#harpmusicinheaven

 

[MadCardDisease]

I own a Veldheer jersey so that sucks.

However I've been saying all offseason that Veldheer was going to be cut. The fact that we actually got something for him is just gravy.

Listen, this team was the oldest in the league last year. It needed to get younger and there were some large salaries that didn't make sense. Change isn't easy but it is necessary.

 

[unseenaz]

veldheer was a ghost last season, and he nearly retired during TC. Elway is trying to satisfy the OL complaints by trading for a recognizable name.

 

[Stout]

I own a Veldheer jersey so that sucks.

However I've been saying all offseason that Veldheer was going to be cut. The fact that we actually got something for him is just gravy.

Listen, this team was the oldest in the league last year. It needed to get younger and there were some large salaries that didn't make sense. Change isn't easy but it is necessary.

Necessary for what? To not assemble a quality team? To bank salary cap space that we haven't needed? To leave an already injury-prone OL paper thin?

 

[TJ]

For the anti-trade crowd, answer these questions:

1) How confident do you feel that his heart is in the game given that he's seriously considered retirement in the past?

2) Do you think he's durable enough to play 16 games given that he ended the last two seasons on IR?

3) Would #2 compound into his decision for #1?

4) His play has been declining. Given that he's getting older, considering retirement, and the injuries are piling up, would it have made sense to keep him at that salary?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Necessary for what? To not assemble a quality team? To bank salary cap space that we haven't needed? To leave an already injury-prone OL paper thin?

Necessary to move on from the BA years. That window clearly closed last season.

We have a new Coach and this team is moving in a new direction. There is no better time than the present to purge some of the older players with expensive contracts who are not performing up to par.

You can't keep Veldheer as the highest paid RT in the league. It makes zero sense for now and especially the future.

 

[Stout]

Necessary to move on from the BA years. That window clearly closed last season.

We have a new Coach and this team is moving in a new direction. There is no better time than the present to purge some of the older players with expensive contracts who are not performing up to par.

You can't keep Veldheer as the highest paid RT in the league. It makes zero sense for now and especially the future.

Unless you actually DO something with that money, it makes perfect sense. I'm not saying he's who he used to be any longer, or anything more than maybe a backup LT. My problem is, if you don't actually USE the savings, it isn't savings; it's cutting an important depth player for...nothing.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Unless you actually DO something with that money, it makes perfect sense. I'm not saying he's who he used to be any longer, or anything more than maybe a backup LT. My problem is, if you don't actually USE the savings, it isn't savings; it's cutting an important depth player for...nothing.

So you think the Cardinals are being cheap and just trying to save old man Bidwill some extra coin? You believe that the Cardinals will just let this extra cap savings float away never to be used? Or am I missing something with your post?

 

[Stout]

So you think the Cardinals are being cheap and just trying to save old man Bidwill some extra coin? You believe that the Cardinals will just let this extra cap savings float away never to be used? Or am I missing something with your post?

I think they realize this is a sunk season and they're banking it for next season. Not being cheap, but making a mockery of the "aggressive" bull crap Keim has been spouting.

Look, I'd have been all-in on a rebuild. Be honest and forthcoming with the fans, do your utmost to get your QBOF, and build for the future. I'd have LOVED that blueprint. Instead we got "aggressive" without actually being aggressive, we get a pathetic backup QB that spikes any idea of going after a QBOF, and I fear we're in same old Keim mode for our 1st rounder--piddling down his leg, afraid of spending ANY capital to move up and draft a QBOF, reaching for some project instead, and further burying this team's future. W

ith cutting Veldheer and without spending much cap space, I think it's clear they're punting on the season in favor of next year, but without a QB to develop, and without a real vet to move forward with, I'm left wondering: "What future?"

So, suffice to say, I don't think Keim's doing a very good job

 

[MadCardDisease]

yeah I see what you are saying.

I disagree in that they were not aggressive. They targeted a couple of top tier FAs who they lost out on. Then had to go with plan B and then Plan C. IMO Plan C is more of a rebuild than if they had landed Smith or Cousins.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Unless you actually DO something with that money, it makes perfect sense. I'm not saying he's who he used to be any longer, or anything more than maybe a backup LT. My problem is, if you don't actually USE the savings, it isn't savings; it's cutting an important depth player for...nothing.

Agreed.

But you have to do "A." before going on to "B."

But, I 100% understand what you are saying. The worst moves, THE WORST MOVES EVER, were done when the Cardinals let Karlos Dansby walk, and traded Anquan Boldin.

The reason for both moves was to clear money, and that "you cannot pay two wide receivers big money". So, they cleared the money, and signed Daryn College, Adam Snyder, and Travis LaBoy.

It was a joke, and not a funny one. We spent the next few seasons trying to find replacements for Boldin and Dansby and spent WAY more than what was saved cutting those two.

Yet, while I am still bitter about it, it is what needs to be done to get change, which is a necessary part of the NFL.

While I am no fan of Bradford, or a couple of the other signings......they are 1 year deals. Not 5 year deals like what was given to College, and Snyder.

This may be a season where the team is "just competitive" but but at least they are not mortgaging the future trying to win it all in a single offseason.

 

[POISON]

Read this from walterfootball...

3/10/18: Sources said that Rudolph interviewed well at the Senior Bowl and the NFL Scouting Combine, but he is a love/hate prospect in the scouting community. One team source likes Rudolph, but many others are skeptics. A general manager of a playoff team told me they had Rudolph graded on the third day of the 2018 NFL Draft. Another NFC general manager said they thought Rudolph could go on Day 2. An AFC college scouting director of a playoff team said they were giving Rudolph a fifth-round grade. One area scout said that they were really concerned with how Rudolph struggled throwing into tight windows, because he won't have receivers running wide open like they were for him at Oklahoma State. Given the big discrepancy, Rudolph could go in the early rounds of the 2018 NFL Draft, because it only takes one team to fall in love. Many teams don't like him, however, and have his grade low

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#ixzz5AgcSbr00
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php#IIQ0pVxmQLboOH37.99


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I'm not putting much stock in a Walter football article.

 

[POISON]

Just like Brandon Weeden? lol

He went to a qb killing franchise and did decent for a rookie on a crap team. He's still in the league and made millions, so he's done pretty well.

 

[HoodieBets]

I'm not putting much stock in a Walter football article.

Why they are one of the more reputable draft sites. It’s not even his opinion it’s opinions from NFL scouts. Show me a site that has Rudolph in the top 4.


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[RugbyMuffin]

Why they are one of the more reputable draft sites. It’s not even his opinion it’s opinions from NFL scouts. Show me a site that has Rudolph in the top 4.


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+1

Guy has more credibility than anyone on this board. Not sure why a wave of the hand goes to that site, or to any football site that spends 24/7 on football. His opinion is as good as most sports sites, IMHO.

 

[wa52lz]

Any chance a successful screen pass can be integrated? I think I've been waiting for that longer than a QB.

Larry Centers took that page from the playbook when he was cut in 1999.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Larry Centers took that page from the playbook when he was cut in 1999.

Thus leaving the playbook empty. [emoji38]