Rescue Effort: Gordon Giricek

[cly2tw]

I'm all for Gordan getting more time on the court, especially if LB is ineffective. If Hill can only play 1/2 a game then I'd hold him out of the 1st half and save him for the 2nd half of the game and start GG in his place.

Agree.

We could even consider to start LB in place of Hill. Maybe we could jumpstart LB's confidence and offense a little better. It's not like Hill is doing anything on offense and his defense on Finley could be replaced by LB without problem.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Agree.

We could even consider to start LB in place of Hill. Maybe we could jumpstart LB's confidence and offense a little better. It's not like Hill is doing anything on offense and his defense on Finley could be replaced by LB without problem.

You know that's really the frustrating thing to me about barbosa, in all fairness he is a talent, but we tend to think of him as this innocent young kid, in reality he has a ton of playoff experience and is the same age as amare, he shouldn't really even need these gimmicks at this point, he needs to just suck it up and do something, we bang on amare for 33 and 7 but Leandro needs to be jump started to avoid 0-7's

 

[cly2tw]

You know that's really the frustrating thing to me about barbosa, in all fairness he is a talent, but we tend to think of him as this innocent young kid, in reality he has a ton of playoff experience and is the same age as amare, he shouldn't really even need these gimmicks at this point, he needs to just suck it up and do something, we bang on amare for 33 and 7 but Leandro needs to be jump started to avoid 0-7's

Sad but that's the reality. We now have to find anything that may bring out more from our rotation players.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sad but that's the reality. We now have to find anything that may bring out more from our rotation players.

how about playing a guy who can actually contribute? We need less of Barbs and more of Giri, but sadly, we all know that ain't happening. having to jumpstart... eh, who cares.

 

[cly2tw]

how about playing a guy who can actually contribute? We need less of Barbs and more of Giri, but sadly, we all know that ain't happening. having to jumpstart... eh, who cares.

It's not mutually exclusive. We can start LB but let him play less if it's not working. The main issue is to play Gira more unless Hill and LB could prove to be better than Gira. And that's not DA, who normally just gives his favorites some min. 20 min no matter what, which cuts into what Gira could get.

 

[jagu]

Wow im a bit surprised my thread is still up here but it shows that the fans here are a lot smarter than the coach we have. If GG is our main shooter off the bench with Diaw as a backup option, we could maybe hopefully have an outside shot of taking this to a Game 6 or 7. We know DA wont change his scheme so we'll see more Barbs ball handling and turnovers or running into the lane and trying to take a layup over 4 guys. Bench Barbosa, he hasn't developed and its pretty clear he hasn't worked on improving his game. To trust him with the ball as a backup PG is just ridiculous in the playoffs and against a Spurs team that knows how to exploit weaknesses to a tee.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Wow im a bit surprised my thread is still up here but it shows that the fans here are a lot smarter than the coach we have. If GG is our main shooter off the bench with Diaw as a backup option, we could maybe hopefully have an outside shot of taking this to a Game 6 or 7. We know DA wont change his scheme so we'll see more Barbs ball handling and turnovers or running into the lane and trying to take a layup over 4 guys. Bench Barbosa, he hasn't developed and its pretty clear he hasn't worked on improving his game. To trust him with the ball as a backup PG is just ridiculous in the playoffs and against a Spurs team that knows how to exploit weaknesses to a tee.

well you can't bench LB, basically the suns need him to produce to soften up the defense on Nash that's why the series is over because LB and Diaw cannot be counted on consistently. I bet LB puts up a monster game in game 3, there is really no pressure anymore, this is where he thrives.

 

[sunsbo]

I'm more worried about GG this offseason, would he even accept a contract from the suns, knowing how little he might play

 

[dodie53]

I'm more worried about GG this offseason, would he even accept a contract from the suns, knowing how little he might play

he'll sign with the suns if DA gets the boot

 

[Skumbag]

The suns aren't going to give Giri much if any playoff time due to them wanting to sign him in the offseason. Him playing good, and playing good in the playoffs is only going to up his asking price. Once he's signed, he'll replace LB im guessing and get more minutes.

Just don't think they want to pull another "DIAW" or "TIM THOMAS" signing.

 

[Hat]

well you can't bench LB, basically the suns need him to produce to soften up the defense on Nash that's why the series is over because LB and Diaw cannot be counted on consistently. I bet LB puts up a monster game in game 3, there is really no pressure anymore, this is where he thrives.

He was pretty mad at himself after game 2. I saw it in the post-game interview, and he was definately disappointed with his performance. Same with Bell and Hill. I think you're right that LB will have a good game on Friday, along with Bell and Hill.

 

[95pro]

i'd be pretty mad at myself for doing squat in a must-win game.

zero D & zero offense.

any assists?lol

i'd bench myself.

 

[nowagimp]

he'll sign with the suns if DA gets the boot

You've got that one COMPLETELY upside down. GG is a euro, he likes the euro system and has had a bad time playing for classic NBA coaches.

 

[mojorizen7]

You've got that one COMPLETELY upside down. GG is a euro, he likes the euro system and has had a bad time playing for classic NBA coaches.

Oh well then lets keep D'Antoni despite his inability to win the big series in order to resign Gears.

 

[nowagimp]

Oh well then lets keep D'Antoni despite his inability to win the big series in order to resign Gears.

Yeah maybe we can hire avery johnson after cuban fires him this year. I guess averys coaching ability just dissipated, he used to ba able to beat the spurs, now he cant beat the warriors. And sloane has gone a LONG time without winning the big series, the jazz should fire him as well. If the criterion for a good coach is beating the spurs in the playoffs, there wont be many coaches available will there. No wait you could do it mojo, you could lead the suns to victory over the spurs just make "adjustments" to tim duncan and the spurs.

 

[mojorizen7]

Yeah maybe we can hire avery johnson after cuban fires him this year. I guess averys coaching ability just dissipated, he used to ba able to beat the spurs, now he cant beat the warriors. And sloane has gone a LONG time without winning the big series, the jazz should fire him as well. If the criterion for a good coach is beating the spurs in the playoffs, there wont be many coaches available will there. No wait you could do it mojo, you could lead the suns to victory over the spurs just make "adjustments" to tim duncan and the spurs.

(sigh)
All i ask from a HC is a committment to defense gimp.
I'm sure D'Antoni is a nice guy and all, i like his sense of humor.
The DA apologists have never been able to see thru the reg season wins or the exciting brand of basketball that he employs and defend the fact that there is no committment to defense here nor is there a committment to developing young talent(and when the young talent has been developed like Barbosa and Amare,there appears to be no defensive work being done here).
'Till i'm blue in the face.....defense wins championships.
Don't be afraid to say it.

 

[nowagimp]

(sigh)
All i ask from a HC is a committment to defense gimp.
I'm sure D'Antoni is a nice guy and all, i like his sense of humor.
The DA apologists have never been able to see thru the reg season wins or the exciting brand of basketball that he employs and defend the fact that there is no committment to defense here nor is there a committment to developing young talent(and when the young talent has been developed like Barbosa and Amare,there appears to be no defensive work being done here).
'Till i'm blue in the face.....defense wins championships.
Don't be afraid to say it.

I know defense wins, but the suns would need to get rid of players, not just the coach. If the suns want to be a serious defensive team, amare must go, he is not an instinctive defender. Amare has no passion for defense, and thats where its starts. Hill, Bell, shaq, Diaw, GG, DJ are fine defensively, Barbs, Nash and amare will never be. Good defensive coaches recruit and select the players that are defensively trainable or already skilled. Pops does it, the van gundys do it, Larry Brown does it, sloan does it, Riley does it unless he has no choice(ricky davis). the suns best player, amare stoudemire will never be a good defender at the PF, his instincts are all wrong. Good defenders are disciplined, not creative in their energy. AI had Larry Brown train him for years, he's still a terrible defnder. Guys who think that coaches create good defenders should look who those coaches have on their teams and realize they select who they need not take guys and convert them into something else.

 

[mojorizen7]

So you're in favor of keeping D'Antoni around for the next 10 years? Do you believe that his philosophy is sound?
I disagree that Amare and even Leandro cannot at least become average defensively under a different tutiledge. Like you said, yes, the SUNS would have to get rid of some very good current players. I don't believe that Stoudemire is one of them.
We'll have to just disagree on that. IMO we'll find out if he's able to improve defensively in the next couple years after D'Antoni is gone.

 

[DeAnna]

(there is no committment to defense here nor is there a committment to developing young talent(and when the young talent has been developed like Barbosa and Amare,there appears to be no defensive work being done here).

If there is no work being done developing LB, what has DanDan Tony been doing for the past 2 years?

Suns had Ivaroni to work with Stat for his first few years, then they got Kurt T to work with him, now they got Shaq to mentor him.

 

[DeAnna]

Back to GG - I just heard on the radio that Grant will not play tonite and GG will get a lot more minutes

 

[nowagimp]

If there is no work being done developing LB, what has DanDan Tony been doing for the past 2 years?

Suns had Ivaroni to work with Stat for his first few years, then they got Kurt T to work with him, now they got Shaq to mentor him.

Ivaroni is an excellent big man coach, KT is one of the best fundamental big men in the NBA, amare still doesnt box out after 5 years around these guys. Mojo, its like I said, if the suns want to go defensive, they must unload DA AND some players. Flip Saunders is not known to be a defensive coach, but his players are known to be defensive players.

Prince, Wallace, Hamilton, Billups are defensive minded players and always have been. Amare stoudemire has shown very little progress in boxing out and position defense in 5 years. I know Ivaroni, he was a defensive specialist on the early 80's 76ers when I used to live in the phila area. If Ivaroni cant teach amare to be a defensive big man, no one can. LB has shown some progress, but its very slow, not worth the trouble to train him to be an average defender, marcus banks would have been a better choice for that. DJ has all the tools, if you want to go defensive trade barbs, amare, nash, get rid of DA, hire van gundy and get players with value in return. It didnt do much for the rockets though, they cant beat the spurs either with all their defense. I dont have a problem with reworking the team, but the "just trade DA" guys are way off, as the players must fit the system.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ivaroni is an excellent big man coach, KT is one of the best fundamental big men in the NBA, amare still doesnt box out after 5 years around these guys. Mojo, its like I said, if the suns want to go defensive, they must unload DA AND some players. Flip Saunders is not known to be a defensive coach, but his players are known to be defensive players.

Prince, Wallace, Hamilton, Billups are defensive minded players and always have been. Amare stoudemire has shown very little progress in boxing out and position defense in 5 years. I know Ivaroni, he was a defensive specialist on the early 80's 76ers when I used to live in the phila area. If Ivaroni cant teach amare to be a defensive big man, no one can. LB has shown some progress, but its very slow, not worth the trouble to train him to be an average defender, marcus banks would have been a better choice for that. DJ has all the tools, if you want to go defensive trade barbs, amare, nash, get rid of DA, hire van gundy and get players with value in return. It didnt do much for the rockets though, they cant beat the spurs either with all their defense. I dont have a problem with reworking the team, but the "just trade DA" guys are way off, as the players must fit the system.

see, i'd say that amare has actually REGRESSED in both his defensive mentality and effort. more so this season than in seasons past. i attribute that to iavaroni's absence. sure he might not have been good in the past, but now he's simply atrocious.

and i see NO improvement in barbs' defense. none.

 

[Cheesebeef]

see, i'd say that amare has actually REGRESSED in both his defensive mentality and effort. more so this season than in seasons past. i attribute that to iavaroni's absence. sure he might not have been good in the past, but now he's simply atrocious.

and i see NO improvement in barbs' defense. none.

completely agree... shocker, I know.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Back to GG - I just heard on the radio that Grant will not play tonite and GG will get a lot more minutes

it was idiotic to play Grant Hill as gimpy as he was in Game 2. We could have given him 6 days rest, instead we probably destroyed him for the rest of the series.

 

[nowagimp]

it was idiotic to play Grant Hill as gimpy as he was in Game 2. We could have given him 6 days rest, instead we probably destroyed him for the rest of the series.

No arguement here. I though he should be held out of the spurs series altogether. Bottom line is the suns can't win it all without the guy, they are thin at the swing positions. Playing an injured 36 year old is just ... beyond me.