Richard Sherman's head is going to explode

[GimmedaBall]

Peterson tagged as one of the NFL's most overrated players by Pro Football Focus:

http://arizonasports.com/40/1735585/Pro-Football-Focus-Peterson-among-most-overrated

 

[desertdawg]

Peterson tagged as one of the NFL's most overrated players by Pro Football Focus:

http://arizonasports.com/40/1735585/Pro-Football-Focus-Peterson-among-most-overrated

From an Az rag though right?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Classic Jedi Mind Trick by Peterson.

The only way for Sherman to prove him wrong is to join the Cardinals defense. Brilliant!

 

[desertdawg]

Classic Jedi Mind Trick by Peterson.

The only way for Sherman to prove him wrong is to join the Cardinals defense. Brilliant!

Do the chickens have someone on an island or no?

 

[GimmedaBall]

Some video at ESPN on the Sherman-Peterson debate:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...eason-luke-kuechly-nfl-most-overrated-players

 

[AzStevenCal]

Classic Jedi Mind Trick by Peterson.

The only way for Sherman to prove him wrong is to join the Cardinals defense. Brilliant!

LOL. Maybe Sherman can talk Carroll and Quinn into a scheme change instead.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

From an Az rag though right?

it's just a link to the article from an AZ rag. Based on PFF list.

 

[desertdawg]

it's just a link to the article from an AZ rag. Based on PFF list.

They get street cred and all, but again, when your playing the best week in week out, your going to get worked. That's why teams can't run one on one with the Fitzes (plural check, aisle 9) of the League, because most folks get worked constantly, because the receiver knows the play, which results in physical and mental talent becoming less of the equation. Sherm does not have these responsibilities, P2 does.

P2 allows us to play a scheme that gives us an extra man on the field, and basically not even having to scheme for their top WR. P2 is a mad man, there aint nobody tht can play his role without getting burned, it's kind of impossible. But the fact that he can do it consistantly against the League's best is amazing. When he first came in the League he got burned a whole hell of a lot, and I've always posted that is was the best thing in the world for him when some dissed the young lad.

He is only getting better, and when you watch anyone go one on one over the course of a game, especially the "best"... they gonna get theirs but you have to keep your team in a position to win. His turnovers only add to his expertise, and the returns are done, so it's just him against the best now. Sherm can't say that.

 

[GimmedaBall]

So desertdawg, Peterson is our hometown guy and I'm glad he's a Cardinal . . . he's just not a 'shut-down' corner in the same breath with Revis or even Sherman. The numbers don't lie. Too many TDs and big plays in his direction. Last season, the Titans hammered Peterson and it wasn't just their #1 WR Britt doing the damage.

From https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/12/16/refo-cardinals-titans-week-15/

Peterson Targeted
As was pointed out on the broadcast, the Titans were not shy about targeting CB Patrick Peterson, particularly at crunch time. While he’s had a fantastic season, Sunday was not his best as he graded at -5.2 in coverage surrendering nine catches on 10 targets for 146 yards including the game-tying score at the end of the fourth. While WR Kendall Wright did the most damage against Peterson catching six of seven passes for 96 yards, he was also the culprit of some big plays against other Tennessee receivers. Nate Washington beat him on the deep post on the second play from scrimmage in overtime for a 33-yard gain that would have proven to be a huge play had the Titans not turned the ball over on the very next snap. Peterson was also in coverage on the aforementioned game-tying touchdown as WR Mike Preston beat him on the in-route for the 8-yard score. The only incompletion thrown Peterson’s way was a drop by Wright on what would have been a first down. When Tennessee needed to move the chains, they looked Peterson’s way throughout the game, and they did so with success more often than not.

Don't know if Peterson was injured, overworked, or whatever. Be it certainly wasn't a shut-down corner vs the Titans. I think we will see more of this if Cro is anywhere near healthy. In the past, Cards would field Peterson plus a #2 CB. When a good CB is paried with an average CB, who you going to throw at? That doesn't make the good CB a shut down guy. The PFF rankings has DRC rated ahead of Peterson---what does that say about Peterson? Our guy was the 15th rated CB---a far cry from the meaning of 'shut-down' Sherman was rated as the 6th best player overall.

(Lots of Cardinal stats and evaluations at the ProFootball Focus portal page for the Cardinals. See their reviews of all the games
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/category/teams/nfc-west/cardinals/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/category/teams/nfc-west/cardinals/page/2/

 

[desertdawg]

So desertdawg, Peterson is our hometown guy and I'm glad he's a Cardinal . . . he's just not a 'shut-down' corner in the same breath with Revis or even Sherman. The numbers don't lie. Too many TDs and big plays in his direction. Last season, the Titans hammered Peterson and it wasn't just their #1 WR Britt doing the damage.

From https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/12/16/refo-cardinals-titans-week-15/

Peterson Targeted
As was pointed out on the broadcast, the Titans were not shy about targeting CB Patrick Peterson, particularly at crunch time. While he’s had a fantastic season, Sunday was not his best as he graded at -5.2 in coverage surrendering nine catches on 10 targets for 146 yards including the game-tying score at the end of the fourth. While WR Kendall Wright did the most damage against Peterson catching six of seven passes for 96 yards, he was also the culprit of some big plays against other Tennessee receivers. Nate Washington beat him on the deep post on the second play from scrimmage in overtime for a 33-yard gain that would have proven to be a huge play had the Titans not turned the ball over on the very next snap. Peterson was also in coverage on the aforementioned game-tying touchdown as WR Mike Preston beat him on the in-route for the 8-yard score. The only incompletion thrown Peterson’s way was a drop by Wright on what would have been a first down. When Tennessee needed to move the chains, they looked Peterson’s way throughout the game, and they did so with success more often than not.

Don't know if Peterson was injured, overworked, or whatever. Be it certainly wasn't a shut-down corner vs the Titans. I think we will see more of this if Cro is anywhere near healthy. In the past, Cards would field Peterson plus a #2 CB. When a good CB is paried with an average CB, who you going to throw at? That doesn't make the good CB a shut down guy. The PFF rankings has DRC rated ahead of Peterson---what does that say about Peterson? Our guy was the 15th rated CB---a far cry from the meaning of 'shut-down' Sherman was rated as the 6th best player overall.

(Lots of Cardinal stats and evaluations at the ProFootball Focus portal page for the Cardinals. See their reviews of all the games
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/category/teams/nfc-west/cardinals/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/category/teams/nfc-west/cardinals/page/2/

My bad, I thought we beat the Titans. And I aint got nothing against PFF, but if they have the softie known as DRC ahead of P2, than maybe they should re-think that one.

 

[GimmedaBall]

My bad, I thought we beat the Titans. And I aint got nothing against PFF, but if they have the softie known as DRC ahead of P2, than maybe they should re-think that one.

We weren't talking Wins-Loses, we were talking Peterson's performance. Sometimes you win inspite of a given player's performance and not because of his performance. DRC is finally getting his act together and is a pretty decent cover corner when it comes to pass protection. Agree on his coming up to stop the run.

 

[desertdawg]

We weren't talking Wins-Loses, we were talking Peterson's performance. Sometimes you win inspite of a given player's performance and not because of his performance. DRC is finally getting his act together and is a pretty decent cover corner when it comes to pass protection. Agree on his coming up to stop the run.

P2 is better than DRC, at coverage too, and it is about wins and losses, you win as a team and lose as a team. Even if you messed up 18 times in a game, if the game is close at the end, you still have a chance to help your team win. If you think DRC is even in the same League as P2, than perhaps reading my posts won't tickle your fancy.

And I already mentioned how players get worked from time to time, and they do have bad games, it doesn't make them DRC bad though so there you go. We'll see who is talented by how they get payed, I imagine those who think DRC should be paid more than P2, are the ones who wear tinfoil hats. Am I supposed to rebuttle by finding some bad day DRC had? I don't think so, because I have seen them both play in person. DRC thinks about himself and early retirement, P2 is one of the best at was he does, and not too many people have the responsibilities that P2 has, so you can spin it how ever you want.

DRC thought about retiring and becoming a DJ, but it couldn't work out because once again, he doesn't like the hits.

 

[GimmedaBall]

P2 is better than DRC, at coverage too, and it is about wins and losses, you win as a team and lose as a team. Even if you messed up 18 times in a game, if the game is close at the end, you still have a chance to help your team win. If you think DRC is even in the same League as P2, than perhaps reading my posts won't tickle your fancy.

And I already mentioned how players get worked from time to time, and they do have bad games, it doesn't make them DRC bad though so there you go. We'll see who is talented by how they get payed, I imagine those who think DRC should be paid more than P2, are the ones who wear tinfoil hats. Am I supposed to rebuttle by finding some bad day DRC had? I don't think so, because I have seen them both play in person. DRC thinks about himself and early retirement, P2 is one of the best at was he does, and not too many people have the responsibilities that P2 has, so you can spin it how ever you want.

We were debating Peterson's stats. Whether we won or lost vs Titans is separate from his stats in that game. But it sure looked as if Peterson was trying to give the game to the Titans.

You will have to take your disagreement regarding Peterson vs. DRC to the editors of ProFootball Focus and tickle their fancy with your argument. I simply repeated their ratings. You must have some secret metrics----PFF grades every play and every player. Their stats are usually right on so have your data ready to deliver to them. Seeing both DRC and Peterson play in person is not the same as tracking every play and every player for the entire season . . . at least I don't think it is. Also, how can you possibly know what DRC is thinking about while he is playing?


From the PFF Top 101 players of 2013:

Sherman at #6
DRC at #36
Peterson at #58
Haden at #75

Here's their link: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/16/the-pff-101-top-to-bottom/

Let us know how they respond after you e-mail and tell them that you think Peterson should be rated higher than DRC just because..

 

[desertdawg]

We were debating Peterson's stats. Whether we won or lost vs Titans is separate from his stats in that game. But it sure looked as if Peterson was trying to give the game to the Titans.

You will have to take your disagreement regarding Peterson vs. DRC to the editors of ProFootball Focus and tickle their fancy with your argument. I simply repeated their ratings. You must have some secret metrics----PFF grades every play and every player. Their stats are usually right on so have your data ready to deliver to them. Seeing both DRC and Peterson play in person is not the same as tracking every play and every player for the entire season . . . at least I don't think it is. Also, how can you possibly know what DRC is thinking about while he is playing?


From the PFF Top 101 players of 2013:

Sherman at #6
DRC at #36
Peterson at #58
Haden at #75

Here's their link: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/16/the-pff-101-top-to-bottom/

Let us know how they respond after you e-mail and tell them that you think Peterson should be rated higher than DRC just because..

Yeah, your right, I don't copy and paste. I don't jock websites either, again, lets just see who gets payed more and we can let that decide. That list doesn't even appear to go position, just some cat's top 101, lol looks very similar, watch again, lol and 101. And again, it's a total player that you get when you have P2 on your roster, he doesn't say he's contemplating retirement, he is a better cover than DRC, he doesn't run out of bounds when the other team runs his way. PFF is good but whatever they say should not be gospel, I'm sure tons of other writers can cherry pick their top lol and come up with their own gripes, because it's opinions.

If you don't have one don't sit here and recite PFF like it's the end all on the discussion. DRC>P2 is laughable to me and I doubt I am the only one. DRC stands for Doesn't Really Care, and will most likely continue to bounce around the League. Go read someone else's list again while reminding me how dang credible they are, and then remind me that it's not your opinion though... You dropped the ball vato.

 

[desertdawg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zLqAJJWqOY

 

[desertdawg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfp-k9QZwcw

 

[BigRedRage]

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We were debating Peterson's stats. Whether we won or lost vs Titans is separate from his stats in that game. But it sure looked as if Peterson was trying to give the game to the Titans.

You will have to take your disagreement regarding Peterson vs. DRC to the editors of ProFootball Focus and tickle their fancy with your argument. I simply repeated their ratings. You must have some secret metrics----PFF grades every play and every player. Their stats are usually right on so have your data ready to deliver to them. Seeing both DRC and Peterson play in person is not the same as tracking every play and every player for the entire season . . . at least I don't think it is. Also, how can you possibly know what DRC is thinking about while he is playing?


From the PFF Top 101 players of 2013:

Sherman at #6
DRC at #36
Peterson at #58
Haden at #75

Here's their link: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/16/the-pff-101-top-to-bottom/

Let us know how they respond after you e-mail and tell them that you think Peterson should be rated higher than DRC just because..

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[GimmedaBall]

So, Pierre Garcon makes some plays against DRC in 2009 and Floyd (not Peterson) shoves DRC to the ground and then hits the turf himself. Did PFF accept that information as rationale to change their metrics on DRC's performance in 2013 as compared to Peterson?


I guess as a fan you are allowed to continue your support of Peterson over any other CB until your head explodes and disregard the metrics collected by PFF. But please do not try to argue me out of my preference to go with the league-wide data collected by PFF.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't need a site full of "convenient truth stats" that were made up a few years ago to tell me Patrick Peterson is a better football player then DRC.

You just need to watch the games to see that Peterson is a better football player.

LOL, "The Titans game". Brought up 50 times a day on ASFN, but if you bring up a single game performance of another player, like DRC, then it is not justifiable proof of anything.

I said it before, and I will say it again. I HOPE team keep throwing Peterson's way.

I disregard all (actually to be fair, I would say "most" before I say "all") "metrics" by the way, and no Peterson is not the best cornerback in the league, and the fact the discussion is between Sherman, Peterson, and Haden is a joke. (DRC doesn't get a seat at that table, sorry). They are ARGUABLY the three best corner backs in the league, but just because "metrics" deems it so it means jack and s---, IMHO.

Richard Sherman is vastly overrated. He is part of a great defense. Yet, not even the best player on his team, on his team's defense, or in his team's secondary. Earl Thomas is what makes that secondary go.

Joe Haden is pretty damn good tho.

The last truly elite CB I have seen play was Revis before he got hurt. He pretty much did it on his own, IMO. I don't see many players like that. Peterson is just an amazing athlete and football player, IMO. He has the athletic ability, he just needs his head to catch up to his feet. Thus until, or if he brings it all together he will be top 10 but as for #1, that is tough.

Still would take Peterson over Sherman in our defense.

 

[BigRedRage]

Floyd (not Peterson) shoves DRC to the ground and then hits the turf himself. .

DRC shoved him from behind.

I just posted it because you are posting about how PFF thinks DRC is a better corner and I find the GIF comical.

My eyeball test tells me pp21 is a solid, top CB in this league. PFF cant change my mind.

 

[desertdawg]

So, Pierre Garcon makes some plays against DRC in 2009 and Floyd (not Peterson) shoves DRC to the ground and then hits the turf himself. Did PFF accept that information as rationale to change their metrics on DRC's performance in 2013 as compared to Peterson?


I guess as a fan you are allowed to continue your support of Peterson over any other CB until your head explodes and disregard the metrics collected by PFF. But please do not try to argue me out of my preference to go with the league-wide data collected by PFF.

Try to bring fresh copy and pastes if your going to do that, and quit trying to tell me it's because I'm a fan. I don't care if I was a Buffalo Bills fan, a bronco fan, even Cowboy fans know P2 is better than DRC. You post PFF like it's some trump card, this is the Az Cards, and DRC can suck it. Hilarious, your posts aren't as credible as PFF, but if your going to copy/post their stuff to be credible, at least find a better argument to stand on. Any GM in the League would take P2 over DRC, but your old PFF burrito 101 is still supposed to be valid and right?? Hilarious.

 

[GimmedaBall]

For those who appreciate league-wide stats (for fantasy football leagues and/or Vegas), here's the breakdown on the cornerbacks for 2013:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-fantasy/2013-cornerback-coverage-responsibilities/

The Top 20 CB based on 800 snaps: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/14/worst-fantasy-cb-matchups/

Peterson is not on this top 20 list. HB rated at #13. DRC is not on the list based on missing the 800 snaps to be included. Scroll to the end of the article to read the good/bad about DRCs play.

The Four Shadow Cornerbacks evaluated here:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/08/shadow-cornerbacks-the-big-four/

Peterson is rated as 'good' but not great based on the number of TDs he allows. "However, Peterson still has some refinement required if he wants be considered truly elite. His seven touchdowns allowed on just 49 receptions placed him in the tied second-worst in the league for touchdowns per target (14.3 percent). Peterson had also allowed six touchdowns the previous season, so fantasy owners expecting their receivers to face off again him shouldn’t be unduly worried." That TDs per target number will be a hard one to dispute, even for those who are in love with Peterson.


If you have disagreement with the ProFootball Focus stats, please send your emotional e-mails to them and explain why they are wrong and you are right.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Interesting that TM made the list and not PP. PP is very good, but he has some growing left to do..

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If you have disagreement with the ProFootball Focus stats, please send your emotional e-mails to them and explain why they are wrong and you are right.

Why ? I nor anyone else owes them explanation, nor do we owe them any credibility. Yes, an arrogant statement no doubt, but its in response to arrogance as well.

But the explanation is easy. I actually watch the play on the football field.

That's my opinion and I am sticking to it.

If I am wrong, then I am wrong. Its just an opinion.

Calling people emotional, is childish name calling. No one cares. Is my argument going to be any better if I call you a PFF leg humper ? No. Its fun, and its funny but it adds nothing.

And again, PFF has its own warts. Last year Levi Brown was a middle of the pack LT. How did that analysis play out for them ?

You know how we will know how good Peterson is ? When he steps onto the field this year.

As for DRC I will say this, my wife was/is a huge DRC fan, and made a good case for him last night. So, if you where putting a team together , you would put DRC out there before Peterson, and I would do quite the opposite. I can see why, just don't agree.

 

[BigRedRage]

For those who appreciate league-wide stats (for fantasy football leagues and/or Vegas), here's the breakdown on the cornerbacks for 2013:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-fantasy/2013-cornerback-coverage-responsibilities/

The Top 20 CB based on 800 snaps: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/14/worst-fantasy-cb-matchups/

Peterson is not on this top 20 list. HB rated at #13. DRC is not on the list based on missing the 800 snaps to be included. Scroll to the end of the article to read the good/bad about DRCs play.

The Four Shadow Cornerbacks evaluated here:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/08/shadow-cornerbacks-the-big-four/

Peterson is rated as 'good' but not great based on the number of TDs he allows. "However, Peterson still has some refinement required if he wants be considered truly elite. His seven touchdowns allowed on just 49 receptions placed him in the tied second-worst in the league for touchdowns per target (14.3 percent). Peterson had also allowed six touchdowns the previous season, so fantasy owners expecting their receivers to face off again him shouldn’t be unduly worried." That TDs per target number will be a hard one to dispute, even for those who are in love with Peterson.


If you have disagreement with the ProFootball Focus stats, please send your emotional e-mails to them and explain why they are wrong and you are right.

Why do you dislike pp21 enough to argue against him for 5 pages?